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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1861

after got caught
youtube.com/watch?v=DMZ0lpk45jA

i didnt want to kill anybody" "i want to work and live"

from strelkov yesterday:

We tragedy. Today our two exchanged prisoners on two "commandos". "Aeromobilniki" went to her on her feet. Threw our bags as: all broken bones, repulsed all the innards, the probability that survive - almost zero ... Creatures! What creature! It is not "natsgvardiya" is "Dnipropetrovsk Troopers." We take into account. Ordered not capture any officer of the 25th. NEVER.


  • before,great ukra nazi on his way to murder civilians

  • more heroes

FlaglessPole
3 Aug 2014  #1862

before,great ukra nazi on his way to murder civilians

oh it's alive... how sweet.. and with another video all in Russian, nice... I take it, in that parallel universe of yours, everyone speaks it fluently....

An intersting development:

PARIS - The idea that the European Union - not Russia - would acquire two French Mistral-class helicopter carriers already sold to Moscow is gaining ground as the West adopted a ban against future arms deals to Russia, and the energy and financial sectors, analysts said.

defensenews.com/article/20140802/DEFREG01/308020013/Interest-Rises-EU-Acquisition-Mistrals-Sold-Russia?odyssey=nav%7Chead

If the EU were to make the move, there is the European Defence Agency (EDA), which has the pooling-and-sharing approach for the member states. That could be a financial system for acquiring military platforms, he said.

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1863

and with another video all in Russian, nice... I take it, in that parallel universe of yours, everyone speaks it fluently

i can understand easily.if u dont i translate:
nazi said he didn't want to kill anybody,he **** himself,he love peace and want to be friend as **** like that.

here another nazi scum boasting he will kill Strelkov:
youtube.com/watch?v=--oNsmZXfb0

them ukra banderist are dumb,dont u think?


  • and we can see him some days later

Crow
3 Aug 2014  #1864

banderist

Banderists aren`t supported by majority of Ukrainians, i am more then sure in it. In fact, Ukrainians are first victims of banderists. Its truly sad when Slavs fights with non-Slavs against other Slavs, on the behalf of EU/NATO leading powers. Its even abominable.

Because of banderists, Serbians arrived in Ukraine, feeling fear for population of Serbian origin there. Nazis should be stooped and then in peace, negotiations between Ukrainians and Russians needs to occur and real border between Ukraine and Russia defined.

Here is one Ukrainian folk song from time when Ukrainians and Serbians fought together against Turkish invader, from time when Ukrainian Cossacks came in aid to the Serbs.

Jichav kozak za Dunaj - Їхав козак за Дунай (Ukrainian folk song) **original

youtube.com/watch?v=-aI0z-toK5M

FlaglessPole
3 Aug 2014  #1865

nazi said he didn't want to kill anybody

What nazi...? ...incidentally Russia happens to be home to half the number of all the neo-nazis in the world...yup... which, if one was too be very pedantic, means that any random group of Russian people, statistically, contains more neo-nazis than any other sample group of different nationality... rather amusing isn't it? But I'm digressing , you were busy yelling nazi...

On a side note, again really sorry to be interrupting your foot-stomping, I couldn't help noticing you're heavily into some bizarre Russian amateur bondage (no sex just fear) kind of stuff... and you say nazi A LOT, which is why I'm thinking you may like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA

part 2

youtube.com/watch?v=IuOVgx3Zh6E

Crow
3 Aug 2014  #1866

Horrible. Let us all pray for young people in Slavic countries who are deluded by Nazi lunacy

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1867

What nazi...? ...incidentally Russia happens to be home to half the number of all the neo-nazis in the world...

they are not in government and not killing children and civilians,unlike ukra ones,who run around with rifles and killing and torturing ppl

normal ukrainian good people:
youtube.com/watch?v=EnYi89rYS4Q

don't want to kill east Ukrainians
says those are people like them not separatists.
they want east Ukraine to have referendum
glad there are many reasonable good people there.just deal with those nazi scum in Kiev and there will be peace

Kievian nazi scum selling positions of ukra battalions to separatist for money.
youtube.com/watch?v=RQ8W1AJRJuk

hundrets of such reports from ukra soldiers about horrible conditions and massive causalities,that are being hidden from public

very interesting interview with ukra officer:

youtube.com/watch?v=Isym0qk8wHY&list=UUdnB82ob_V7EXwwcCtB1vUg

ATO-huge scam,money laundering

his unit got shelled by his own ukra troops,his life saved by seps

"Donbass people 1,5 million are needless and excessive,and need to be killed"according to some ukra officials

youtube.com/watch?v=Qy5YZi6KsoE&list=PLCpGr3boiJOoHiPXRQ9Q1dO8j0lqm81R1

Roger5
3 Aug 2014  #1868

according to some ukra officials

Please supply the name and status of the "ofiicial" in this clip, and also the provenance of the footage.

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1869

pick any scum from Kiev government,they have all the same **** in their heads.here leader of ukra ruling party about nuking civilians :
youtube.com/watch?v=6RxSzSWbcxo

Roger5
3 Aug 2014  #1870

here leader of ukra ruling party about nuking civilians

You are far beyond any help if you believe a single word the Russian propaganda machine puts out.

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1871

no need any propaganda to see scumbags and their criminal deeds.seen thousands videos and images,hundreds interviews with local people,soldiers,seps ect.i don't read and watch media.keep whitewashing criminals and their atrocities.there will be justice to them served,hope in form of Russian bullets,if not Hague tribunal will do

you think this ATO BS in best interest of Ukrainian people?its to protect oligarchs scum assets.they selling your country for peanuts while sending young kids to die.

those ukra soldiers don't even get food daily
enjoy:
youtube.com/watch?v=L_htpxmW6NM

FlaglessPole
3 Aug 2014  #1872

You are far beyond any help if you believe a single word the Russian propaganda machine puts out.

I do wonder if these apoplectic barking fits of his are caused by the toxic Polish apples:

In the past few weeks, Russian agricultural and consumer watchdog agencies have announced the discovery of harmful levels of antibiotics in U.S. poultry, contaminants in Ukrainian dairy, pests in European produce and bacteria in U.S. fast food. They have either imposed or threatened blanket bans on the products in question in response to the reported "violations."

washingtonpost.com/world/as-the-west-steps-up-sanctions-russia-starts-banning-food/2014/08/02/d7648ea9-af5b-461a-b312-ee6057918cc8_story.html?hpid=z11

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1873

hahahahaha this is classic:
youtube.com/watch?v=wMDZBfGmLQk&list=UUbwfUqs5Y6_jblWJwMIfRzA

stupid nazi idiots begging for donations in kiev. looks like idiots did their job in maidan,now grants from victoria nuland and kolomoysky are finished.need begging too get some boots

now idiots here 50$ go go go east front for the fatherland,food once every 3-4 days go go
cant believe how much stupidity in this world....neonationalism takes driving seat.them kosher oligarchs must be ******* their pants with laughter

Roger5
3 Aug 2014  #1874

They have either imposed or threatened blanket bans on the products in question in response to the reported "violations."

When the West imposes sanctions on Russia it does so because it sees Putin's annexation of Crimea as illegal, and Russia's arming separatists in easten Ukraine as inflammatory. When Russia imposes sanctions on Western goods it cites violations of health regulations. In other words it lies. This says so much about the Russian mentality.

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1875

Russian mentality

get axe,ask your daddy how is done...or Google wolhynia massacre,learn some basics of Ukrainian patriotism
you might be even able to earn sum bucks from kolomoyski

Polson
3 Aug 2014  #1876

but they don't.. besides I meant Poland as a whole, the differences between Ukraine and Poland are stark.

They don't because they have tourism. That's pretty much all they have there.
The differences between Poland and Western Europe are still important. 'Experts' say it will take another 20-30 years for Poland to catch up with Western Europe. I guess that's a minimum. How about Ukraine? 100 years?

be that as it may, for now at least, they do want to try a different approach in stead of stagnating in 'Russkiy Mir'. Personally I think they should be allowed... unfortunately that's not what Putin thinks.

You're not taking into account what eastern Ukrainians want. The pro-EU are mainly found in western Ukraine.

I think Putin may have underestimated EU's resolve pertaining to the current crisis in Ukraine.

Not my feeling. I found the EU powerless and very limited (and too divided).

When the West imposes sanctions on Russia it does so because it sees Putin's annexation of Crimea as illegal, and Russia's arming separatists in easten Ukraine as inflammatory. When Russia imposes sanctions on Western goods it cites violations of health regulations. In other words it lies. This says so much about the Russian mentality.

When the US invaded Iraq, it was also considered illegal. Did anybody impose sanctions? This says so much about Western hypocrisy.

Also, I'm still waiting for sanctions against Israel for murdering kids.

FlaglessPole
3 Aug 2014  #1877

Google wolhynia massacre,learn some basics of Ukrainian patriotism

trying to piece it together, bear with me... that parallel universe of yours where everybody speaks russian is staggered by about 70 years.... really fascinating, what else is there?

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1878

i help you,here you need to use bayonette for 2 years old and open abdominal and broke limbs for 5 years old:

Janusz Mekala (age 3) - dead with broken limbs;
centre: Stasia Stefaniak (age 5) - dead with opened abdominal cavity and broken limbs;
right: Marek Mekala (age 2) - dead, bayonetted several times.

electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ukrainian_insurgent_atrocities/uia_volhynia_album.html

get some patriotic basics man

i wonder if those kids were terrorists or separatists ..hmmmm

but i saved best for you for desert:
for 5 years there is option to tie them to tree with barbed wire and left them to die:
google.co.uk/search?q=upa+wianuszek&rlz=1C1DSGL_enGB419GB419&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yxbeU6LaMPCf7AbLxoH4Cg&ved=0CCEQsAQ

Velund
3 Aug 2014  #1879

This says so much about the Russian mentality.

Are you expert in russian mentality? Maybe you spent most of your life in Russia?

Well.. Few quotes from smart people who really had some experience in dealing with Russians...

"Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main forces of Russia, which is based on millions of Russian ... The latter, even if they break up international treaties, just as quickly re-connect with each other, like pieces of a particle of mercury ..."

- Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck-Schönhausen

"Russian may seem narrow-minded, impudent, or even stupid people, but can only pray for those who are against them."
- Winston Churchill

"Do not expect that once taken advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - they will not rely on the Jesuit agreement you signed, that supposedly justify your actions. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russians you should use fair play or no play. "

- again, Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck-Schönhausen

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1880

Are you expert in russian mentality? Maybe you spent most of your life in Russia?

what he says,its speaks laud about hes mindset and mentality ,not Russians.
narrow minded generalizations and degradation of other people is a common among ukra nazis...all he needs now is an axe

lots of reports from all over sources about brutal beating of sep prisoners.
they keep catching ukra soldiers caring metal clubs.
2 days ago 25-th para brigade dropped to bags with seps soldiers inside with all broken bones:
We tragedy. Today our two exchanged prisoners on two "commandos". "Aeromobilniki" went to her on her feet. Threw our bags as: all broken bones, repulsed all the innards, the probability that survive - almost zero ... Creatures! What creature! It is not "natsgvardiya" is "Dnipropetrovsk Troopers." We take into account. Ordered not capture any officer of the 25th ....

i see,Ukrainians are getting back to basis,like in old good times

shocking
25-th troopers today,killed and seps found loots from peoples houses in their cars . shakhtarsk (some graphic images warning):

youtube.com/watch?v=TXBl-lp0qlQ

well karma for beating those seps to death few days ago i guess

FlaglessPole
3 Aug 2014  #1881

They don't because they have tourism. That's pretty much all they have there.

the point is they don't live in mud-huts, their houses and infrastructure are better than on the other side of the border, doesn't matter why

The differences between Poland and Western Europe are still important. 'Experts' say it will take another 20-30 years for Poland to catch up with Western Europe. I guess that's a minimum. How about Ukraine? 100 years?

I'd say one more generation so yeah 20 years... 100 years for Ukraine?Nah, with the current technology certain advances happen very fast, it's the people's mentality that lags behind, in fact, paradoxically, infrastructural backwardness my actually play to a country's advantage as it can, at least theoretically, upgrade directly to the best bypassing more obsolete stages still in use elsewhere. I'd say 2 generations.

You're not taking into account what eastern Ukrainians want. The pro-EU are mainly found in western Ukraine

nope you're wrong, see Kharkiv, staunchly against Putin, pro EU. Due to the arm conflict the attitudes have polarized and now Russia is pretty much uniformly across the whole country seen as an enemy

Not my feeling. I found the EU powerless and very limited (and too divided).

Putin was counting on it, here I quote "Putin is calculated and assumed the EU would continue to talk of 'red lines' that would become meaningless. The same was after all true of the numerous 'red lines' issued and always ignored made towards Yanukovych over the incompatibility of his imprisonment of opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko with European values."

but now even the French government is changing its tune:

PARIS - The idea that the European Union - not Russia - would acquire two French Mistral-class helicopter carriers already sold to Moscow is gaining ground as the West adopted a ban against future arms deals to Russia, and the energy and financial sectors, analysts said.

defensenews.com/article/20140802/DEFREG01/308020013/Interest-Rises-EU-Acquisition-Mistrals-Sold-Russia?odyssey=nav%7Chead
If the EU were to make the move, there is the European Defence Agency (EDA), which has the pooling-and-sharing approach for the member states. That could be a financial system for acquiring military platforms, he said.

Point being EU, unexpectedly, did come together on this one.

Also, I'm still waiting for sanctions against Israel for murdering kids.

you and me both, what's your point anyway, now we talk Israel...? Anyways you do like to run around in circles so I'm just gonna repeat myself, regarding what sort of influence is more beneficial for Ukraine:

for me it's not a question of black-and-white comparison, rather a cool-headed and comprehensive pros and cons calculus in which Russia/Russian influence loses by quite a bit to its alternatives and people really do deserve better.


gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1882

what a story:

here hero burning ppl :
youtube.com/watch?v=vvJUzE-QVzs

now crying and asking for mommy:

youtube.com/watch?v=DMZ0lpk45jA
some ppl says is different guy,but looks alike much...who knows

I'd say one more generation so yeah 20 years... 100 years for Ukraine?Nah, with the current technology certain advances happen very fast, it's the people's mentality that lags behind, in fact, paradoxically, infrastructural backwardness my actually play to a country's advantage as it can, at least theoretically, upgrade directly to the best bypassing more obsolete stages still in use elsewhere. I'd say 2 generations.

in many cases its stuck in 1940...you catch my drift?
sigh hail!!! slava and ****

Roger5
3 Aug 2014  #1883

Maybe you spent most of your life in Russia?

Several years. How about you?

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1884

Maidan activists march in Kharkov,they brought some those nazi apes from lviv and kiev,yesterday:

youtube.com/watch?v=5kf3_3Y5NQo

hilarious...hahahahahha 21 century...hahahaha nazi apes

FlaglessPole
3 Aug 2014  #1885

in many cases its stuck in 1940...you catch my drift?
sigh hail!!! slava and ****

I only see your case fitting that description. You do realize that modifying quotes is grounds for a ban from this forum, I believe you've been told that repeatedly....

Harry
3 Aug 2014  #1886

We tragedy. Today our two exchanged prisoners on two "commandos". "Aeromobilniki" went to her on her feet. Threw our bags as: all broken bones, repulsed all the innards, the probability that survive - almost zero

What an amusing fairytale. My personal favourite is the youtube version of that particular tale:
youtube.com/watch?v=dnddWo8HAzw
The sharp-eyed amongst us (i.e. not gregy) may well notice the little girl in the photo. gregy's Kremlin fanboys have already been caught once lying about her:

fake

In reality that is a screenshot from a Russian movie:

real-

Forgive me for not bothering to debunk the rest of gregy's 'posts', there's only so much teenage failure angst that one can deal with in a single day.

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1887

My Captivity in Ukraine Shows Amateurs Succumb to Hatred By Stepan Kravchenko(he write for bloomberg news) :

mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-27/my-captivity-in-ukraine-reveals-when-amateurs-succumb-to-hatred.html

The sharp-eyed amongst us (i.e. not gregy) may well notice the little girl in the photo. gregy's Kremlin fanboys have already been caught once lying about her:

nahhh..its only one strelkov webpage where he post and its not you-tube, lier..
this is how you ukra nazis trying to discredit and manipulate truth.

second...images in those video were used by kiev fanboys or some guy called"frank TruePath"- not by strelkov...its so dumb manipulation by you that iven by your low standards this is stupid what you post

jon357
3 Aug 2014  #1888

My Captivity in Ukraine Shows Amateurs Succumb to Hatred By Stepan Kravchenko(he write for bloomberg news) :

And is that as dodgy as your other posts using movie stills as propaganda?

gregy741
3 Aug 2014  #1889

nothing is as stupid as those Harry posts,,he making an idiot of himself ,over and over...its getting hilarious.
now according to Harry,Strelkov lied about beaten seps and as a proof he post video uploaded by some unknown guy,which happens to have faked image...lol

how dumb is this?
well to be fair,i am in no position to know whenever strelkov said was truth or lie..but this bs from harry is just dumd

jon357
3 Aug 2014  #1890

So why did you post a fake youtube film, using a movie poster pretending to be real? You do realise that it undermines everything else you've claimed/pretended?


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