Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

where did i post any youtube film with strelkov regarding beaten seps,and this movie poster???why you lie

as of today you've posted 15 times in this thread.... (harry once)...

and what a dumb fail it was...epic

The journalist is a Russian citizen who was trying to go from rebel-held territory to Russia but was surprised that that might draw suspicion. He also claims that the three soldiers who held him all earned $300,000 per year before the war: does that sound credible to you?

in your parallel universe perhaps... otherwise your repetitive emotive outbursts paint a different picture

P.S.this is a second time greggy alters my quote.... any mods on duty today?

nothing really biased,controversial or defamatory towards Kiev forces,,sounds credible story to me
tho nobody can be sure 100%
i like read and watch common folks stories from ukra wars,even recorded by mobile phones,not main media reports bs
you learn alot from them

"P.S.this is a second time greggy alters my quote.... any mods on duty today?"flaglesspole
wonder if using derogatory term towards ethnic people is allowed here..its against polish law,called hate speach-its criminal what you write here in this thread

we are cannon fodder:

youtube.com/watch?v=K-COBLnIVUE

I honestly don't know, I've never visited Lviv and its area (unfortunately).
But despite what you say, still many Poles from theses areas (eastern Poland) prefer to leave the country (and may never return). What do you think will happen with Ukrainians?


Two generations? Should we expect the current generation to sacrifice their lives for their grand-children?
Also, to get the latest iPhones and cars, cuz they will 'need' those, they will have to work 3, 4, 5 times as hard as Westerners. Same goes with the Poles. Ok, maybe they only need to work 2-3 times as hard. And since working that much harder will not suffice, they will get credits, and then, well... Sorry for being so negative ;)


Well, it doesn't really matter how Russia is viewed there. What they need is a solution that will satisfy everyone, if possible of course.

But since many people there speak Russian, are actually Russian, and/or have relatives in Russia, you can't expect them to just forget who they are.


Apparently, Tymoshenko's past is far from being compatible with 'European values'.


That would be weird and unprofessional. When you sell a product, you're supposed to fulfill the order and delivery of that product.
But I wouldn't be surprised if that was backed if not initiated by the US. They've been pressuring the French government to not deliver these helicopter carriers for months. Meanwhile, I heard they're still selling -and delivering- military equipment to Russia. If they were honest, they would be the first to stop selling their stuff to Russia, before asking others to do so.

I'm telling you, the EU clearly showed its limits during this conflict. Only acting when Washington asked them to. The sanctions imposed to Russia are a good example.


Just pointing the fact that 'our' side may not be driven by pure humanism and brotherhood.


That's because you think Western influence will do them good. And I still have doubts about this. The West has its own interests in mind. One of them is reducing Russia's influence in the region. It's purely geostrategical. As I said, no humanism here.

Maybe Ukraine is destined to remain between the EU and Russia, and work 'hand in hand' with both entities. I think such a possibility was discussed, before the Maidan events changed everything. For the best? Time will tell.

Several years... More precise, please.

According to me - I spent ienough time n Russia to be able to compare last soviet years, years of "wild pseudo-democracy" under Yeltsin rule, as well as "horrible Putinism" years. Also, spent enough time in Spain, Lithuania, Taiwan, France, periodically visited Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium - so able to see some differences and general trends.

Have the right to obtain Ukrainian citizenship by simplified procedure (based on jus sanguinis), but I'm sure now that I'll never use this right....

look at this,,according to nazi junta there is no forced mobilization:

youtube.com/watch?v=TfRC3WZZIuc#t=65

ppl this is madness,thay packing people like pigs into lorries against their will

Yes gregy, but that's because you know nothing about this part of the world.


policja.pl Note that failing to report a crime is also a crime.


Why are we not surprised to find out that you like to read fairytales?

look another faAIRY tale...
ppl happy ,joining liberation army to fight terrorists:
youtube.com/watch?v=TfRC3WZZIuc#t=65
and this video is probably staged by putin and fsb

It just looks like all the other stuff that nowadays goes with Putinism.

i tho you suppose to show my post with video from youtube containing fake images regarding seps beaten.i asked you,why do you lie?

you lost yourself in your lies so much that you unable to differ truth from lies anymore?
so in future,stop discredit and degrade other posters with your lies please.
thanks

It's a shockingly bad effort really, you don't even see any of the men who are supposedly being conscripted. Perhaps the CIA people can give them a few lessons: after all, it was the CIA who organised that zombie plan full of dead bodies which the blew up over Novorossia in order to make the peace-loving freedom fighters there look bad, right gregy?

and those women saying they are being forcefuly conscripted -in this video,are probably russian agents,or just making things up for fun

August 3 (RIA Novosti) - A group of 12 Ukrainian troops has reached the Gukovo checkpoint in Russia's Rostov Region and requested asylum in Russia, the Rossiya-24 TV channel reported on Sunday.

The servicemen, both officers and soldiers from the 72th motorized brigade, went through the neutral zone of the Russian-Ukrainian border carrying a white flag and no weapons on them.

"Absolutely, we are not traitors. We are in no war with Russia. There can be some 'misunderstanding,' but there is no war. To save the lives of my subordinates, a decision has been taken to move them out via Russia," a Ukrainian officer told the TV channel.

Earlier reports said more than 40 Ukrainian servicemen have abandoned their military units and asked independence supporters to allow them to come to Russia in order not to fight against their own people.

yes i heard about it,
few days ago 40 ukra soldiers run away to Russia and asked for asylum saying they dont want to kill people in east.

City Gomel in Belarus, which is around 60 km from Ukrane's border, received 65 platforms of Russian military equipment (self-propelled mortar units):

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bk_ZW4THczw

Russian soldier on Kadamovsky military training base in Rostov oblast in Russia, which borders Ukraine on the east, in a peace-keeping uniform:

Photos and videos are made on August 1, 2014. This doesn't include 40,000 Russian troops located close to Ukraine's border, constant firing by the Russians across the border with missiles "Grad" and multiple violations of the border by military planes and helicopters.

looks like banderist wet dream is coming to an end.soon there will be no more murders looting rapes and torturing

ppl who keep blabbing about Russia annexing Crimea and wanting to annex east Ukraine seem to forget what was Russian stance from day one when yanukovith was ousted:

federalization...federalization...federalization...lavrow was banging this all the time.
it was possible peaceful solution that satisfy everyone ,until idiots in Kiev decided to move tanks and bomb cities.none of this would have happened

thats what happen when you arm ultra mobs and let them lose.now look they crying this is Russia fault.well got to blame someone,

idiots and losers always blame others when fail,wise man accept responsibility if fail

look at this people tell me if that's not nazi scum:

youtube.com/watch?v=5EbgCheFSaM

arrested man on terrorist charges cus he attended referendum and spent time on holiday

saliva union commonwealth of sarmatian donkeys eu/nato/islamist homosexual penguins.....

an interesting read:

Let us indulge in dark imaginings, then, in the cause of prudence. Here is one possible scenario: Clashes intensify between Ukrainian government forces and paramilitary formations organized by Russian fifth columnists. The death toll rises. The ongoing NATO dispatch of troops and F‑16s to Poland and the Baltic states, designed as a deterrence, redoubles anger in Russia-"a great and humble nation besieged," a Russian general might declare. The American president, saying his war-weary country will not seek conflict, imposes sanctions on the entire Russian oil-and-gas sector. European states dependent on Russian energy grumble; a former German chancellor working in natural gas says his country's interests lie with Moscow. Then, say, an independence movement of the Russian minority gains momentum in Estonia, backed with plausible deniability by Moscow's agents, and announces support for the Donetsk People's Republic. A wave of cyberattacks disables Estonian government facilities, and an Estonian big shot calls the Russian leader an "imperialist troglodyte trapped in a zero-sum game." After an assassination attempt on the Estonian foreign minister at a rally in the capital, calls grow louder for the American president to invoke Article 5. He insists that "drawing red lines in the 21st century is not a useful exercise."

more: theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/08/yes-it-could-happen-again/373465

It would be a good idea to stop these insults. Members and guests should be able to discuss the topic of the thread without having to personally insult each other. Quotes should not be altered either, please play fair.

a cool article from The New Yorker:

newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=facebook&mbid=social_facebook

When, in September, 2011, Obama nominated McFaul to be his envoy to Moscow, relations with the Kremlin were hardly amorous, but a businesslike atmosphere usually prevailed. Obama and Medvedev did solid work on arms control, antiterrorism efforts, Iran's nuclear program, and the war in Afghanistan. To the bitter outrage of Vladimir Putin, Medvedev's predecessor and patron, Medvedev even agreed to abstain from, rather than veto, a U.N. Security Council resolution approving NATO air strikes in Libya. But a week after McFaul's official appointment was announced Putin declared that he would return from the shadows and run for President again in March, 2012. This high-handed "castling" maneuver soured spirits in Moscow, sparking a series of demonstrations in Bolotnaya Square and elsewhere in downtown Moscow. The protesters' slogan was "Russia Without Putin."

From the article quoted above


Is it any wonder that Putin decided to stand again.

The three permanent NATO countries on the security council lied to the world; Libya had given up nuclear weapons technology and agreed to help the NATO torture network. The chances of another country giving up nuclear weapons or the ambition to acquire them after this are now zero.

The propaganda that Russia brought this situation about is just that, propaganda.

are you implying he decided to run agan because of Libya?? A bit of a stretch I'd say...

anyways here is an interesting bit from this really long yet very inetersting article:

In his first two terms in office, from 2000 to 2008, Vladimir Putin made his priority the reëstablishment of a strong state. He disempowered disloyal regional governors, crushed the oligarchs who did not heed his insistence that they stay out of politics, and obliterated the leadership of the separatist uprising in Chechnya. He took complete control of the main television channels and neutered any opposition political parties. He established postmodern state symbols and an anthem that combined features of the imperial and Communist past. But he was not, foremost, an ideologue. Kleptocracies rarely value theoretical tracts. They value numbered accounts. They value the stability of their own arrangements.

In the heart of the Soviet era, Kremlin leaders, including Lenin and Stalin, wrote scholastic treatises dictating the ideological course for many aspects of life. At the heart of the Communist Party Central Committee was the department of ideology, which laid down the law on everything from the permissible interpretation of history to the dissidents and artists who had to be suppressed, imprisoned, or exiled. By the late Soviet period, though, K.G.B. officers like Putin were nearly as dismissive of Communist ideology as the dissidents were. "The Chekists in his time laughed at official Soviet ideology," Gleb Pavlovsky, a former adviser to Putin, told me. "They thought it was a joke." Putin, in 1999, admitted that Communism had been a "blind alley, far away from the mainstream of civilization."

No country will ever give up nuclear weapons now they have seen how your hero in the Kremlin ignored the promises made to Ukraine in the Budapest agreement. Funny how you never want to talk about that, isn't it?

There is an air of defiance, even a heedlessness, to Putin's behavior. As the conservative commentator Stanislav Belkovsky put it to me, "It was clear that the actions in Crimea would lead to sanctions, capital flight, and a deterioration of Russia's reputation, but nobody supporting the aggression thought twice. The imperial horn has been sounded. But we are a Third World kleptocracy hiding behind imperial symbols. There are no resources for a true imperial revival."

newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=facebook&mbid=social_facebook

No I'm not, that is not the sole reason he decided to stand again.

Civilizations clashes. Its about that.

Who is lavrow and federalization of what? Of two cities under control of the terrorists, which the Ukrainian army and National guard are going to free and release the people kept hostage?

Look, this is a map of Ukraine, which has 24 oblasts (administrative units) and 1 autonomous republic:

Green and orange pieces in the eastern part of Ukraine (above) are Lugansk and Donetsk oblasts, where the fighting is going on. Let's zoom in these two oblasts and see where exactly the terrorists are:

Blue and yellow marked territories are parts of Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts where there were no terrorists before and some where the Ukraine's army already freed the cities, towns and villages and the reconstruction gradually starts. The shaded pink region is where the terrorists, most of whom infiltrated from Russia, are as of July 20th. So, what cities you want to federalize? :)))) Or you mean like 2 streets will be a federation and the rest - will be unitary? ;)

Start better talking about Siberian people in Russia, which want more freedom and their march on August 17th is already being suppressed by Putin's regime.


That's not true. Polish government supports Ukraine and is against Putin's fascist warmongering and supply of terrorists with the weapons and personnel to shoot down civilian planes.

It is extremely important to stop Putin now, because he with his sick mind will destroy the peace not only in Europe. The EU and US understand this. Sanctions may be hurtful to the countries imposing them, but if this is not done, Putin will turn the economies of many countries into working on war economies and Europe will lose competitive edge against other world powers. Everyone understands what will happen if the full-blown war starts.

Sounds like it is Putin trying to put russian military bases aroung Germany borders and spending billions of dollars to fund destructive anti-government opposition in EU countries. ;)

Last night, 438 Ukrainian troops crossed Russian border and requested asylum in Russia.