Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

no.
Jew can be Russian citizen but not Russian ethnic.they not even slavic but semitic. different national language(Yiddish),ancestry,dressing style,religion and on and on and on

same in the UK.you got Pakistani ethnic with UK passport.ethnicity is simply describedby:
socially-defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural, or national experience.[1][2] Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, myth of origins, history, homeland, language (dialect), or even ideology, and manifests itself through symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, physical appearance, etc.


think of Soviet Union like lets say European Union,where many nationalities and ethnic people take part in ruling.
blaming ethnic Russians for crimes of soviet union is silly.most of time SU was ruled by Ukrainians jews or georgians.
either you blame system and ideology or (incorectly) if you want to go ethnic line then you wold end up having blame 50 ethnic people. ukrainians were massively represented in soviet apparatus of power

Interesting that you think Jews can be Ukrainians but they cannot be Russian. I wonder if that is a result of you considering both Jews and Ukrainians to be whatever the Russian version of untermenschen is.

If you really think that, then you are deluded. Unless suddenly the EU has sprouted a country that geographically, culturally, ethnically, economically, militarily, dominates it.


No Greggs. In that great steak bake that is the Soviet Union and its predecessor the Russian Empire, their dominated territories do not 'take part in ruling'.


As you know Greggs, ethnic Russians are not the same as Russia, and Russia has always been responsible for the deeds of the Russian Empire. They go together like cheese and onion.


And yet the Ukraine was brutally subordinated to Russia. Every oppressed group has its quislings. Even, Greggs, the Cornish.

jews borne in ukraine..you right..its strange so many people use this,even myself,since it was not ukraine state and by ethnicity Jews cant be Ukrainians,only Ukrainian citizens by definition. tho its complicated what Ukrainian ethnicity it is.its quite modern concept that raised from ruthenian or rus people in somewhat 17 century.its name comes from name of the land called by poles" land on the border"

but eastern Ukrainians partly rusticated are different from western (polonized and germanized)they have common religion(orthodox) but different language,tho similar.
it is not to me to say they are different to the point that they should be described as different ethic people.some eastern Ukrainians consider themselves as Ukrainians and want united Ukraine,some wants to be independent.

i think national identity in Ukraine is still shaping,and not strong in the east.not like Poland where its been taking shape for 1000 years.

It's easy for invaders to find a roll for such people.

Naturally, but only if they can afford to give up earning their crust.

Not really. History shows that invaders offer rewards for collaborating, so it's steak today for gregg's pro-Kremlin buddies; although it may well be stale crusts for them tomorrow and the next several years.

ok guys something interesting.i want your opinion about new deal that is on the table.
is this deal just and satisfactory for both sides?does it have a chance to materialize? here some input by Lughansk PM:
en.ria.ru/interview/20140907/192715874/Luhansk-Head--We-Need-to-Restore-Economy-and-Relations-With.html

No such person exists.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Plotnytskiy

Any peace plan should be scrutinised before the will to implement it goes stale.


Indeed, if jam would be superfluous.

i see lot of holes in this proposals,that make it impossible to implement and agreed by rebels.but its some starter.further negotiations are necessary.but it indicates some will from Ukraine to make concessions and finally some reasoning..before they were like "we dont negotiate with terrorist" BS

i see they needed some slap,and now starting to see some light

This is where I get confused. Here we have the BBC and Reuters captioning the photo below as
Rebel leader held a ceremony in Donetsk on Monday to honour its defence from the Nazis in World War Two



bbc.com/news/world-europe-29114297

This is suggesting pro-Russian rebels are anti Nazism. Some would suggest it's a stunt. But on the other hand, we have this from The Telegraph:

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

This leaves me wondering who really are the Nazis. On both sides? That seems even worse, as per it's the devil and the deep blue sea.

the think is ,nazi ideology and nazis were massively patriotic.and some "patriotic" people uses Nazis symbols as a way to express their extreme patriotism.

i know its crazy but even in Poland those most right wing "patriots" use nazi like symbols.
crazy as it sounds since poland was wrecked by the nazis and one would think the true patriot would be antinazi.
lots of kids and losers are simply confused or using nazi symbols to make themselves appear tough


why telegraph shoving image of azov batalion member and writing about russian nazis in this garbage of article?

ufff,you got me confused..this article is about Ukrainian nazi azov battalion not pro russian

There are a small number, probably very small, with short memories about Nazism or who seem to have skipped lessons about what the Nazis did.

I'd like to think that Putin's motive is the crushing of Nazism but I fear it is expansionism and a wish to make a name for himself.

He is said to be very wealthy ("US$40bn"?) He won't be able to spend that wealth if he incinerates all of us. He should respect the borders and stop this nonsense right now. He should also phone his ex-wife and beg her to come back. Yes, it is clear from that shirtless photo that he didn't have an ironed shirt to wear, but that's what dry cleaners are for and they also iron shirts. I too share any loathing of ironing and other housework but I'd not march into Watford to bring it back into Greater London. And having to go shirtless in public is no reason to invade another couple of countries. I hope he thinks and does the mature, sensible thing and realises peace is the only way. Live and let live.

i think you are new to global politics,or young.
Putin does what he has to,he was draged into this mess.maydan it wasn't his idea.
let me ask you something: what do you think USA or Britain (lets say in Gibraltar) would do if in any part of the world 5000 Americans or brits were killed by artillery?and their homes were shelled everyday?

do you think they would just let it happen?because its not ok with international law to interfere?pfffff
Putin have to help them to some degree,cus he is expected in Russia to do so.same would Obama if Americans were being murdered in any part of the world

Donbass Day of Liberation, with events at Donetsk and Saur-Mogila,ehh its sad they have to fight Nazism again ,this time nazism from Kiev:
youtube.com/watch?v=28JOqd1lxBg

Poroshenko's representative clarifies that the Minsk protocol regarding granting "special status for certain areas (while still remaining under Unified Ukraine)" deals only with areas "currently not under control of Ukraine Army," not all of Donbas. "It means Ukraine remains Unified. The border becomes ours and we will isolate this zone [temporarily not under our control], take it under our control, including through the use of engineering structures (fences), and offer them to compete with us not with weapons, but with living conditions."

pravda.com.ua/news/2014/09/8/7037134/

is this Muppet really believe rebel will agree with this garbage?this guy is brain dead

Ukraine forces attacked Donetsk with phosphorus just an hour ago:

twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/509111399235481600

first stories from rebel captives released today ...kept in iron box,constant beating,they broke his ribs and leg.no food for week:

First off - Ukrainian battalion controls Donetsk airport, where the photo by Luhn comes from. Why didn't you mention that? His tweet is the following (from your link):


Again, Donetsk airport is controlled by Ukrainian forces. So, the use of the phosphorus bomb (if this was one) was by the terrorists or Russians, in other words, scum terrorists.

Naw, my Father brought back from WW2 pictures that I still look at from time to time. Mans inhumanity to man.
Let me share one story he told me.
He was with the first American G.I.'s to go in to liberate those camps.
The G.I.s were given all the chocolate bars that they wanted to carry for energy.
Going into the camps they saw people starving (many of them Poles) so they threw their chocolate bars over the barbed wire to them.
The incarcerated people threw them back at the G.I.'s because they thought it was to good to be true.
They thought they were Natzi's in G.I.'s uniforms throwing them poison chocolate bars.
I guess after what they had endured I don't blame them.
Does anyone remember the the Gleiwitz Incident ? The very next day Germany invaded Poland
Come on Harry, you are older then the commandments, you should remember.
Nine days before the incident, Hitler had told his generals, "I will provide the propaganda, its credibility doesn't matter.
The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth."
Kinda like what is happening in the Ukraine right now.

The Gliwice Incident - some sources say it is untrue. Is there any reliable information on whether it happened or not?

rebels dont have phosphorus..we know you are lair .here more videos,all over internet,shocking:

youtube.com/watch?v=xDp_YXaYnvs

Aidar battalion accused of large scale abuse by Amnesty International :brutal reprisals, robbery, beatings and extortion committed in Novoaidar district, Starobilsk, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, and Shchastya between late June and late August.:

amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR50/040/2014/en/bb06b5cb-dcb4-4f69-bb3e-c800987676cc/eur500402014en.html

It is explained in the English Wikipedia (under "Gleiwitz incident"), but in my view it is better and in much greater detail told (describing controversy aroung it and a a not too acurate version popularised by Norman Davies) in the Polish (Prowokacja gliwicka) and German (Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz) versions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

very moving...saur mogila funeral of 6 fallen rebel soldiers today..few rebels hold those hills for weeks against massive criminal fascist Ukrainian army:

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JeK0O8Pu9Dw

WOW WOW And now s.hit hits the fan, Dutch experts say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "numerous objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity".:

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29119024

It is a pure stunt. The self-declared "People's Governor" of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" is one Pavel Gubarev. He is a member of and was trained by (and has publicly thanked) a paramilitary group called Russian National Unity. Here is the flag of Russian National Unity:



Any questions?

Gregy, what did we say about reading links before posting them here? From that article:

where did i say its not consistent with missile hit?
what did i tell you about understanding simple text? are you sure you qualified english teacher?or are you another English Glitter seeking adventure in developing countries?

So when you said "WOW WOW And now s.hit hits the fan, Dutch experts say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "numerous objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity".:" you were saying "WOW WOW" because what we all knew all along, i.e. that the plane had been brought down by a missile and a particular type of missile at that, has been confirmed? Why are you claiming "now s.hit hits the fan" when something we already knew has been confirmed and all the pathetic lies told by Kremlin fanboys about it being shot down by Ukrainian fighter jets have been shown to be utter bollocks?

you are pathetic lair..nothing is confirmed other than plane was "hit by flying object"could be air to air missile.slowly this investigation becoming some comedy.few months and this statement!!!

its actually getting suspicious.if that was BUK missile they would announce it.from what i heard its not difficult to establish the type of missile that hit plane,even by traces of explosive material used and left on remains of plane..not sure what they holding to announce

For the love of Christ, greggy, if you are going to call people 'liar', at least learn how to spell the word. Even if you can't be bothered to learn what the word actually means, at least learn how to spell it.


Please stop with the lies: the report says "numerous objects", not 'object'.

no one is perfect.its not my obligation to write proper english,i know 3 languages,you dont understand simple texts in your own one.


still,more questions than answers,and we are not experts,we are ignorant in this matter,we can only speculate.so lets drop Malaysian plane for now.


do you have any comments about rapes tortures,robberies and assaults amnesty international accuse Ukrainian battalion?

I wonder why you might not want us to talk about the Malaysian plane. Could it be because the theory that your fellow Kremlin fanboys were pushing that the plane had been shot down by Ukrainian fighter jets and the proof was bullet holes in the plane has been blown out of the water? Or might it be that the laughable claim from you Kremlin fanboys that Ukraine would block any reports has also been shown to be completely wrong. Or might you not want people to talk about the below news:


Full article here: bbc.com/news/world-europe-29109398

garbage as usual..you can always rely on BBC if you want some garbage.
Russian speaking crew doesn't mean Russian army.there are thousands volunteers ,former military,from Russia.nobody has ever denied this.
so any comments regarding war crimes committed by Ukrainian battalions?or its not good subject for you? or you gonna spam this info with more SBU or stopfake rubbish?