Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Let me guess, you'd have us believe that they were a BUK unit who had gone on holiday together and had decided that the idea place for their holiday was a war zone and they had borrowed their unit transport rather than going to the expense of hiring a car, right?


I'm more than happy to condemn all war criminals. In my opinion everybody who has committed crimes in Ukraine should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The only person here who is defending murderers (other than Barney, but he has a habit of defending murderers) is you.

could be.


the only war crimes committed in Ukraine in mass scale is Kiev forces.even their own officers and top commanders and international agencies are saying that the whole ATO is one big criminal scam.there are not terrorist there.

officially regarding donbass rebels as terrorist is war crime,since by doing this they are stripped from the right to be treated with accords of Geneva convention,which they are being denied now.treated as terrorist,beaten,executed,tortured and kept in horrible conditions.

second reason for this scam,is that the ukra constitution forbid using army against Ukrainian citizens,thus terrorist operation was invented,and "enemy from abroad"to enable use of army.

one big criminal war crime.
not to mention,torture ,rapes robberies,phosphorus,executions,indiscriminate shelling of civilians,deliberate shelling of civilians,armed bands of neonazis,and on and on...all on daily basis.

Sorry, but that idea is at most only half-baked.

maybe they got lost in the woods.found some cool looking machinery and pressed red button

In that case Russia is to blame for the incident: allowing a highly-trained team of specialists to take into a foreign country lethal weapons capable of killing thousands of people without any authorisation at all is negligent on a truly epic scale. One shudders to think what could happen if a nuclear weapons unit makes a similar holiday plan.


Grow up gregy, there's a good boy. Nobody is interesting in reading your delusional rantings.

Sounds like something wants to be checked and prompts the question did anyone grill them?

ok,can you answer me this question?
how it is possible that despite Ukrainian government claiming Russia's invasion of Ukraine every few days,there is not state of war declared against Russia?not even state of emergency or Marshall law,not even diplomatic relation terminated or trade ones.

hows that possible?how military invaded country did not declared sate of war?am gobsmacked

It's not just the Ukrainian government stating that Russia has sent troops into Ukraine: it is pretty much every EU government which has said anything about it, along with NATO and every independent media source which has said anything about it.


Ukraine declaring war on Russia would simply give Russia a perfect excuse for openly invading Ukraine.

they claim they are invaded already!

For a start, they don't have the dough. Secondly, raisin dough would not be possible within the currant situation.

Harrys inteligent answer:" invaded by Russia Ukraine doesn't want to declare war vs Russia,becouse they dont want to be invaded...
Harry ,are you reading this garbage you write?

No greggy, that is not what I said, stop with your utterly pathetic lies.

If such an openly executed invasion were to happen, the chance of a major war would rise, and peace in Europe would be gone in a puff.

gezzzzzzzzzzzz,you guys really don't understand simple question.or don't want to answer. nevermind..i expected this anyway

So you had a filling about this before?

The crux of the matter is that Ukraine cannot afford to be flaky on this matter or the whole thing will just collapse in the middle.

I'm in agreement with the views you gave both today and yesterday.

OSCE repeats: 'There are no Russian troops or military equipment in Ukraine:

sott.net/article/284530-OSCE-repeats-There-are-no-Russian-troops-or-military-equipment-in-Ukraine-Poroshenkos-telling-porkies

"Accusations relating to convoys of armored personnel carriers have been heard during the past week and the week before that," he said. "All of them were proven false back then, and is being proven false again now."

"There is no sense in these accusations," he said.

CNN:
No Signs of Russian Invasion in Ukraine's Novoazovsk, Situation Peaceful - CNN:

en.ria.ru/world/20140831/192510645/No-Signs-of-Russian-Invasion-in-Ukraines-Novoazovsk.html

Porky you little liar again ,arnt you ,Russian invasion again-then "gimmy your weapons and money,death to moskals!!!"fokin comedy

The OSCE has said no such thing.

representative to the OSCE Andrey Kelin did.so did paul picard
rt.com/news/183356-russia-poroshenko-invasion-ukraine/
hahahahah...russia been invading ukraine for 6 months already,and apparently russian army bombarding big city of mariupol and nobody was able to produce a single evidence of this...

hahahahaha..what a bunch of clowns this kiev junta is
here paul pickard,pick any link:
google.co.uk/search?q=Paula+Picard&rlz=1C1DSGL_enGB419GB419&oq=Paula+Picard&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1376j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Paul+Picard+russian+ukraine+


carefull Harry. SBU have evidence in the form of intercepted Putins conversation,according to their irrefutable proof,Russian army is sieging warsaw now.watch your back.

"We only know that the mayor of Novoazovsk said that after 10 rounds of artillery were heard, the Ukrainian soldiers retreated from the city"

irrefutable evidence of Russian invasion according to ukra officials

Andrey Kelin is not from the OSCE. Andrey Kelin is the Kremlin's representative to the OSCE. He no more speaks for the OSCE than the Samantha Power speaks for the UN. You are simply lying, child.


Picard said his team hadn't seen anything, he did not say "There are no Russian troops or military equipment in Ukraine". Stop lying, child.


Here, again, is a video showing a full Russian mechanised unit in Ukraine:
youtube.com/watch?v=v5SbQAjbsUo

did you see that? i saw Kennedy's assassin at 03:23...unbelievable ...thanks Harry
in militaryphotos.net they debunked this garbage like 300 times.
look russian invasion evidence from 28.02.14:


but Harry,gotta love first sentence!!!!hahahahaha
"is this the smoking gun the world has been waiting for"?
hahahahahaha after 6 months of invading
read comments below Harry boy

Thanks for that link, the third webpage it brings up shows that you've been lying to us about what Mr Picard said.
[quote]Just as Picard is giving an interview to Russian television, a military jeep with a Russian license plate and decals of the Russian airborne troops passes by. The men sitting inside wear camouflage and identify themselves to SPIEGEL as rebels. It's also possible they're Russian soldiers, or at least that they still were only a few days earlier.

But Picard can't say such things -- he needs clear proof first. His reports instead make frequent reference to "people in military uniforms crossing the border in both directions."

/quote]

spiegel.de/international/world/russia-expands-war-in-eastern-ukraine-amid-web-of-lies-a-989290.html


If you are telling the truth, for a refreshing change, you will have no problem linking to said supposed debunking, will you?


No it does not

search more statements of Picard.hes been there since i remember,he never made any statements about Russian army.merely seen some rebels coming in and out from time to time.

how possible he missed Russia invasion??? is he blind?i told you Harry,watch those corners in Warsaw,there is Russian army there stalking,no doubt

Ukraine banns 15 Russian language channels in Ukraine.
112.ua/obshchestvo/na-territorii-ukrainy-zapretili-retranslyaciyu-15-ti-rossiyskih-kanalov-112716.html

long live freedom,democracy,minority rights and free speech!!!!!!!!!now its only one little step to reach European values!!!!!!!!!!
nazi totalitarian cnuts

That is an interesting thing to say, gregy: not so long ago you were claiming that Picard had said "There are no Russian troops or military equipment in Ukraine". But now you say that Picard "never made any statements about Russian army".


Are you referring to anybody here?

never in the sense that they cross borders,he never mention or confirmed seeing Russian soldiers crossing borders but rebels
what you think about banning tv channels Harry? do you think they got far to reach north Korea standards of freedom????


am referring to junta that bans russian tv-s

:D You claimed that he had said "There are no Russian troops or military equipment in Ukraine" :D

and about "Russian BUK" in area of Malaysian crash.and images provided.
you don't even know ,how much evidences and images i seen of Ukrainians BUK-s in area of crash and supposedly in the day of crash.probably 20-30.

nobody treat them as reliable,yet 2 images from SBU pointing at rebels ,obviously fake,the whole world see as a undeniable evidence.


those were russian representative of osce words,not paul.read post before accusing

By this standard Putin is a Finn. But what really matters is what was the culture he had been raised in, what he had adopted as a proper behaviour. And the answer is 'Soviet' and he's not an exception in modern Russian amid people of his age, rather a rule and Soviet mindset generally has nothing to do with one's ethnicity as I have met people of any possible background, being perfectly Soviet. Stalin was named by Putin as a 'gifted manager'. Putin has never concealed his soft spot for the SU, particularly when it comes to winning over the votes.

By the way do you know how many 'Russians' were there to stand against the Prague Spring? 8! That is from barely 300 mln country which the USSR was back then.

Now guess how many ethnic Russians were there out of 8? 1. Just one with a last name Litvinov which suggests his background might have been outside of Russia.

not sure what you mean by "soviet behavior"or "being soviet".it is true he was rise and grow in culture or rather developed mindset of person with desire of controlling everything,even when he was 16 years old he applied to become KGB,where most ppl at this age think about girls and fun.i liked him,when he would go to some oligarchs factory and demanded decent pay for workers or threatened to close it instantly.

but one might say that Russia being country of this size require strong,ever controlling charismatic leader and centralized power,strong provident.Yeltsin was weak and drunkard and he caused massive poverty and collapse.Putin rebuild Russia from the scratch,and he did it alone against lots powerful adversaries.he did impossible thing.


Stalin was monster,but that's true,he was gifted manager.he industrialized Russia massively.of course at the cost of thousands if not milions people perished when chopping down tundra or working in mines,quarries.ect

Kolomoysky 'Donbass' fighters and commanders assembled a conference to accuse Semenchenko in pretty serious mischievery.

This guy in particular accused him of giving a criminal order to indiscriminately shoot everyone at Nikolayivka.
youtube.com/watch?v=5XaseZN1GdY#t=100
there is official statement from donbass battalion Facebook,
basically, they say the accusations are from a liars and cowards who were personally thrown out of the battalion by Semenchenko:
facebook.com/teroboronaDonbass/posts/1494718930767954
nevertheless its serious accusation from one of Donbass battalion commander.yesterday amnesty international accused Aidar battalion of murders rapes and robberies