Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

no nazis in ukra army Harry?

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  Azov battalion wearing donated by Poland celvar helmets...what a disgrace
  

The article says the following:


The guys are defending Ukraine and the aggressor is Russia, which brought deaths to already over 3,000 people, destroyed the whole regions, shot down among others a Malaysian airplane with 300 people on board, many of whom were kids. Some soldier put a sticker on his helmet and already a Russian chodnik do nóg squeals.

If true, a revolting thing to doodle on his helmet. There seems to be some ill-educated men fighting on both sides. Associating with Nazism in any shape or form is nothing cool or to be proud of. Anyone who thinks a Nazi emblem is something to adorn their helmet is indeed a bell-end of the highest order and needs to go back to school.

Meanwhile:


The above damns both sides, if true.

I agree. But it is rather strange that on the above photos the nazi symbols don't appear together with the chevrons of the battalion. Was it difficult to have them in one photo or Russians are still working on photo montage?

Yes I do agree with you on the observation that you make, however we do have the Telegraph's interview with them to sadden our hearts

(a reminder in case you missed it, here's the Facebook page for a change as it has comments
facebook.com/TELEGRAPH.CO.UK/posts/10152609617904749

what a bullshi.t..here again true face of western propaganda lies.here amnesty official protocol,go compare:
amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR50/040/2014/en/bb06b5cb-dcb4-4f69-bb3e-c800987676cc/eur500402014en.html

They do have a consistent and well-confirmed history of tampering with photographs.

I can already see news tomorrow.
"Russian Terrorists attacked an UNARMED humanitarian convoy that was delivering aid to hungry children of donbass"

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  ukrainian "humanitarian" help
  

There are, unfortunately, neo-nazis in every army in the world, even the Israeli army has had problems with them (although I suppose that the Swiss Guard might be small enough and selective enough to avoid them).

However, there are not many armed forces in the world which are led by a neo-nazi. In fact the only one which I can think of is the 'army' of the 'Donetsk People's Republic'. The leader of that band of merry pro-Kremlin terrorists is a certain Pavel Gubarev, who is/was a member of a charming organisation which trained him and who he has publicly acknowledged. The name of that group is Russian National Unity and their emblem looks like this:


That link is to an Amnesty report on a very specific topic, producing it in no way demonstrates that Amnesty have not said that all sides in this conflict have shown disregard for civilian lives and are blatantly violating their international obligations.

If you think that all western media are propaganda, allow me to provide you with your hero's mouthpiece reporting the exact same statement by Amnesty:


rt.com/news/185720-amnesty-ukraine-war-crimes/

Although for some reason Your Master's Voice were unable to find space to cover all of Amnesty's remarks about his forces. For example:


amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-07/

"Amnesty International researchers on the ground in eastern Ukraine interviewed eyewitnesses fleeing from fighting near Alechevsk, Donetsk, Kramatorsk, Krasny Luch, Lisichansk, Lugansk, Rubeznoe, Pervomaisk and Slovyansk. Researchers also interviewed Ukrainian refugees in the Rostov region of Russia.

Civilians from these areas told Amnesty International that the Ukrainian government forces subjected their neighbourhoods to heavy shelling. Their testimonies suggest that the attacks were indiscriminate and may amount to war crimes. "

Amnesty International has also received credible reports of abductions and beatings carried out by volunteer battalions operating alongside regular Ukrainian armed forces
Amnesty International is calling on the Ukrainian authorities to conduct an effective investigation into allegations of serious violations of international humanitarian law and bring to justice individuals responsible for war crimes.


while separatist crimes are rare and sporadic and result of some criminal element in their ranks(extremely small) Ukrainian atrocities are massive and its every day reality,and its result of criminal nature of its leaders.

half of their battalions are either criminals from prisons(aidar),or openly neonazi element(azov) and war crimes are tolerated and even promoted and rewarded by Kiev government.

criminals from kolomoyski battalions receive money for killing seps,per head,Aidar openly admits their don't take prisoners...hundreds of indiscriminate civilian area shelling including white phosphorus and forbidden munition.

all you got is kidnapped for ransom priest? FU

Reports claim Russian gas to Poland has been reduced by 20%
theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/russia-gazprom-gas-supplies-down-poland-ukraine

I would hope that everybody wants to see all criminals in Ukraine (and elsewhere) brought to account and given a fair trial.


Still lying about that etc, eh child? Do let us know when you've grown up and can thus have an adult conversation.

Before you make a accusation about Polish helmet with NAZI insignia, try to verify if the photo is legit.
I did check the photo in Photoshop ans illustrator. And it is 99.9999999999 % fake. Manipulated.
Pixels don't lie.
Because of very high resolution I had problems saving this in the true color, so only 16bit for now.
As you know the more data the bigger the size of the photo and this forum has it's limits up to 100kb

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And the new gas pipeline from Russia to China will be completed in 2016 and not 2018 as reported.
They will be happy to buy that 20% surplus.

NBC says that a Norwegian TV company claim they shot the video and it's legit. The same photos or stills are on the NBC news page and seem to be from a TV programme on German TV filmed by TV2 in Norway. Are you still suggesting they are fakes?

nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961



The report suggests Russia has reduced it by 20%, not that Poland wants 20% less.

Let me look again.

sure..about every main newspaper in the world already wrote at least one article about Azov and Aidar being openly neonazi,even today guardian
you fokin pretend that its some fake "russian" propaganda. here,even today guardian:

theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

. Many of its members have links with neo-Nazi gDmitry claimed not to be a Nazi, but waxed lyrical about Adolf Hitler as a military leader, and he believes the Holocaust never happened.roups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials.

"Of course not, it's all made up, there are just a lot of people who are interested in Nordic mythology," said one fighter when asked if there were neo-Nazis in the battalion.

"the swastika has nothing to do with the Nazis, it was an ancient sun symbol," he claimed.
"And the symbol is not Nazi. Trust me - some of my family died in concentration camps, so I have a well-developed nose for Nazi shi"

almost every single day someone write about them fascist battalions,keep whitewash,fok this image,i can post you probably 300 more images with Azov and nazi symbols they use.you fokin pretend its russian photoshop

This 'he' you refer to, is that Pavel Gubarev, the self-declared "People's Governor" of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic", explaining why he is or was a trained and grateful member of an organisation whose flag looks like nazi:

Why do you keep refusing to discuss the fact that the pro-Kremlin terrorists you support are led by a neo-nazi?

nope..refers to one of thousands neonazi scums in Ukrainian army and its government,who commit war crimes and atrocities every day.

So how does Pavel Gubarev explain the use of the swastika by the organisation he is/was a member of and which he is so grateful to? Doesn't he think that there is anything wrong with being a member of an organisation which uses the swastika as its emblem?


In what way is it stupidity to state that your hero is or was a trained and grateful member of an organisation whose flag looks like this nazi flag.

Why won't you discuss the neo-nazis which you support?

I mean no offence, I would love them to be fakes. Believe me.

I still stand that the photo was manipulated, the symmetry is not right, blending of pixels is not right, sun comes from the left yet that is the darkest part of the image.

However the other photo with "SS" look very legit. look like a label to me.
The photo from NBC website has no metadata whatsoever

Is there not a video on Youtube? Because the photos are alleged to be stills from the video. I don't know if the TV programme or video is online somewhere, ie here?

youtube.com/results?search_query=ukraine+azov+tg2

Same with me. but i cannot claim something that ain't true, there are zillion of graphics gurus out there who would make a laughing stock out of me.

But I do graphic designs, not as a hobby.
The thing is that this photo doesn't come straight from the camera, copy of the copy (thus exif/metadata is absent) cannot separate layers.

I can only go by my own experience and "the law of the pixels" so to speak.

This is I think the same journo on Twitter.
twitter.com/oysteinbogen/status/508340803513487361
Perhaps he knows where the video can be seen.
I am not on Twitter so cannot tweet a request.

I am not a twitter person.
But if the photo comes from moving image, that would explain distortion of pixels.
Strangely I cannot find any YT video on this subject.
And why not? video like this should go viral.


Hey Gregy741, relax, what the word "fokin" suppose to mean?

You are obsessed with this conflict, anything that does not support your views is propaganda and lies.
only imbecile would manifest his NAZI views in an interview or brand himself with NAZI swastika on his helmet or even arm band.
By doing so they would only hurt their cause. Unless they are indeed imbeciles, in this case I feel sorry for them.

Propaganda in war is used by all parties involved in conflict.

huh?
maybe in western world it is regarded stupid but in west Ukraine SS are made heroes and they are proud of their SS Galitzen,even tho they were cowards and pathetic soldiers.even Germans wanted to disperse Ukrainian SS units because of their cowardice.this is Banderist world.idiocy at the highest level

for me shocking that Polish taxpayers pay for neonazis equipment so they can murder civilians more effectively

Yes, I completely agree. Where is it? Does anyone know, please?

@Gregy, do you know where that video can be seen, please? We would like to see it for ourselves. I fully take aboard Harry's reminder that most or all armies have their 'characters' and I think from that he meant we should not tarnish all soldiers as the same and just accept there are bad apples in every walk of life, but all the same it leaves a bitter taste.

i found that video 0:11:
youtube.com/watch?v=jrhCely0pAc

Well done you! Now how about you find us an explanation by Pavel Gubarev of the use of the swastika by the organisation he is/was a member of and which he is so grateful to?