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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



Xromium
20 Mar 2014  #211

western European magnates and bankers miscalculated, strategically went too far in Yugoslavia, Serbia, Ukraine, Libya,... and now Russia responding?

It would seem that Kaczynski and his PiS'owsce may have something to do with the need for Tusk & his merry men to show some muscle - even if it will be while hanging on the skirts of the bellicose Yankee generals

peterweg
20 Mar 2014  #212

bellicose Yankee generals

Yeah, Russia invades and annexes its neighbour and its all the fault of the Americans

Less777
21 Mar 2014  #213

If this is the case, say so, but don't put words into my mouth.

I put nothing into your mouth. You didn't answer my qestion. It means that coup in Kiev was "against Ukrainian Constitution" otherwise you would give a straight answer.

Crnogorac3
21 Mar 2014  #214

Yeah, Russia invades and annexes its neighbour and its all the fault of the Americans

youtube.com/embed/93eyhO8VTdg

This time, the Judeo-Masons who run the American government from behind the scenes, you have crossed the red line. You are cunning, but not very wise.

Crimea is gone.

p3undone
21 Mar 2014  #215

Nathan,even the western press have stopped suggesting that the Crimeans did not want annexation.it's quite obvious that they were all for it.I understand that you dislike Putin,and I agree that he is a bullying dictator.But I am being objective,and not so easily manipulated by mainstream media.The west managed to install their puppet who has control of 90% of Ukraine.If you don't agree that's fine,we can agree to disagree.

Marek11111
21 Mar 2014  #216

Nazi Ukrainian gov. now wants to disarm people,where did we see that before? Nazi Germany and communist Russia, should I remind how that ended.

nytimes.com/2014/03/21/world/europe/ukraine-sets-deadline-for-militias-to-surrender-illegal-guns.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&region=Footer&module=TopNews&pgtype=article&_r=0

peterweg
21 Mar 2014  #217

According to the the Kremlin, Nazi Ukrainian gov.

Lisen, Russian propaganda agent, the Ukrainian government isn't Nazi and the Nazi's didn't disarm people.

The Nazi's invaded countries to 'protect their fellow language speakers', just like the Fascist in the Kremlin.

Next, they want to invade Estonia;

reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #218

Nazi Ukrainian gov. now wants to disarm people,where did we see that before? Nazi Germany and communist Russia, should I remind how that ended.

Right sector announced yesterday they will not support EU and NATO accession of Ukraine,guess soon they gonna start killing policeman again...and where does this put idiots like Sikorski and western politicians now?

all this support that almost got us into 3-rd world war for defending few Nazi thugs,who are against western values anyway.shocking stupidity and incompetence.

should have let Yanukovich to clear them Nazis and then let remove Yanukovitch in democratic election and vote pro EU party,now they got chaos thanks to Sikorski and other cowboys

Crnogorac3
21 Mar 2014  #219

Dismantling of Ukraine began with shouts, "Slava Ukrajini!" (Glory to Ukraine!) a nationally, religiously, linguistically, etc, etc. heterogeneous country, cannot be lead by a team that shouts "Slava Ukrajini", and when we know what follows ... followed by "Slava herojima" (Glory to the heroes), coup plotters... to whom was the most important what exactly? After they through violence forced lawmakers to unquestioning obedience, abolished the language law, which is defined to be in areas where there are a significant number of members of non-Ukrainian language, the second language is used in parallel with Ukrainian, and has the official status in the area.

With its "Slava Ukrajini" and "Slava herojima" Ukraine has signed it's dismantling. Of course, not only they are to blame for this development because the same is encouraged by Washington's expansionist regime. Washington in it's still madly cold-war mentality was focused on Russia and waiting for the moment to do a critical step in the geo-strategic game, and that is, mastering of Ukraine - a key country of the world strategic order.

Operation Maidan has been long and carefully planned, in it are invested billions of USD, for the preparations, as well as in all other aspects which required execution of the same in various directions. It all started with satanization of Russia on the issue of "rights" of homosexuals, then a severe threat to the Russian spectacle called the Winter Olympics would become a fiasco only if Russia makes one wrong step and actually they were willing to do. They scored an impressive result in public opinion where about 64% of Americans define Russia as contentious and negatively expressed toward her...

All the forces merged into a result and here we have Maidan... Now we know who coordinated it, from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, via Victoria Nuland, to Tel Aviv's military mercenaries, with the ultimate goal, murder of Yanukovich... That they almost succeeded to do, but at the last moment he managed to escape to the south-eastern part of Ukraine. Parallel to the unfolding of Maidan, last scum + professionals from abroad, primarily the Tel Aviv veterans and mercenaries, conducted the pressures on available parliamentary deputies of the Party of Regions, threatening their family with murders, arson of property and so on...

globalresearch.ca/ukraine-israeli-special-forces-unit-under-neo-nazi-command-involved-in-maidan-riots/5371725

So, "Slava Ukrajini" thought that it would become "Vjeèna Slava" (Eternal Glory), however here is a mistake in their steps ... Russia has realized what is the direction and what Yatsenyuk and the team does not even hide, and do not hide even now. They showed their true faces, and the welfare of Washington to Ukraine has reached unprecedented proportions... That is why Russia has decided to dismantle the Ukraine...

peterweg
21 Mar 2014  #220

into 3-rd world war

We will have a war to defend ourselves against the Nazi in the Kremlin.

What precisely have the Ukrainians done that is ' Nazi'? Invaded and annexed a neighbouring state?

How nice of the Empire to invade Ukraine to 'protect Ukrainian Policemen'

What will be your defense of the Russians invasion of Estonia? Are they Nazis?

Are you going to cheer when The Russian tanks drive through Warsaw?

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #221

What precisely have the Ukrainians done that is ' Nazi'? Invaded and annexed a neighbouring state?

anyone who glorify Bandera and his ideology its fascist..even western pro Ukrainian media are concerned about it.

What will be your defense of the Russians invasion of Estonia? Are they Nazis?

who is invading Estonia?ahhh...ok "Iraqi nuclear missiles are capable of reaching LoNDON" Crap propaganda demonizing Putin.

How nice of the Empire to invade Ukraine to 'protect Ukrainian Policemen'

i missed this invasion..all i saw Crimea government organizing few military and 97% referendum to join historical Russian land back to Russia.
Putin didn't have to invade anything,there were begging him to let them into Rossia

peterweg
21 Mar 2014  #222

Putin didn't have to invade anything,there were begging him to let them into Rossia

Funny, before the Russian invasion 4% supported it, after 97%. Excluding all those who refused to vote at gun point.

I see you swallowed the Russia state propaganda that Ukraine is a Nazi state and needs saving by the Empire. Nazi Ukraine's 6000 combat ready troops are a threat to Russia...sure,

anyone who glorify Bandera and his ideology its fascist.

Sorry, I blinked and missed it. There are Nazi's in Russian too, hundreds of them. That justifies a nuclear attack on Moscow?

Crap propaganda demonizing Putin.

He's ex-KGB, Runs Russia like a Mafia, illegall invades and occupies his neighbours and has been in power for decades. Doesn't take propaganda to see that he is heir to Stalin and Hitler.

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #223

Funny, before the Russian invasion 4% supported it, after 97%. Excluding all those who refused to vote at gun point.

primitive lie.
no one even in western media is denying that referendum projected Crimean people will.so far i saw Crimeans cheering presents of Russian troops,nobody reported and russian military forcing anyone to vote.

Sorry, I blinked and missed it. There are Nazi's in Russian too, hundreds of them. That justifies a nuclear attack on Moscow?

Nazis and fascist thugs groups are everywhere even in Israel and Europe,difference is they are not part of government and they don't run ministerial positions,getting into those positions using Molotov cocktails

peterweg
21 Mar 2014  #224

primitive lie.
no one even in western media is denying that referendum projected Crimean people will.so far i saw Crimeans cheering presents of Russian troops,nobody reported and russian military forcing anyone to vote.
peterweg:
Sorry, I blinked and missed it. There are Nazi's in Russian too, hundreds of them. That justifies a nuclear attack on Moscow?

Nazis and fascist thugs groups are everywhere even in Israel and Europe,difference is they are not part of government and they don't run ministerial positions,getting into those positions using Molotov cocktails

The Lies are all from your Russian Empire. No point in discussing this, the Russia understand one thing - violence.

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #225

the Russia understand one thing - violence

lol the only violence so far come from Maidan thugs.So far, nor a single case of Russian citizen involved in causing violence in Ukraine.here :

Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine Andriy Parubiy responsible for killing policeman during maidan riot founder of Social-National Party of Ukraine,renamed to "svoboda":

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine

cool government dude

peterweg
21 Mar 2014  #226

lol the only violence so far come from Maidan thugs.So far, nor a single case of Russian citizen involved in causing violence in Ukraine.here

The hundred odd people the police killed and a few dozen police. One Ukrainian soldier killed by the Russian invaders. None of which justifies the Russian invasion

Russia guaranteed the integrity of Ukraine's borders, its internal politcis are NONE of Russia's business.

Harry
21 Mar 2014  #227

it's quite obvious that they were all for it.

If they were all for it, how come the only party which called for Crimea to return to Russia (which by some freak co-incidence is the very same party Putin put into power) never score more than 4% in an election? If they were all for it, how come the last opinion poll done before tens of thousands of Russian troops invaded showed that some 60% of the people of Crimea did not want Crimea to become part of Russia? Seriously p3, you really believe that public opinion went from 60% against to 97% in favour? You really believe that two ethnic groups who both suffered genocide at the hands of Russians within living memory virtually all voted to again come under the control of Russians? Ethnic Russians only accounted for 58% of the population of Crimea but supposedly 97% of the people voted in favour, so virtually all of the Tatars and Ukrainians would have needed to vote in favour!

So far, nor a single case of Russian citizen involved in causing violence in Ukraine.

Good to see you faithfully repeating the Kremlin's lies greggy. But how don't you claim that the protestors in the Majdan caused violence? One of the people killed there was a Russian citizen; he and a number of Russians had come to fight, most of them anarchists were who had come to aid their Ukrainian anarchist comrades. At least two of those killed there, and perhaps more, were Jews, including Alexander Scherbatyuk, one of the Ukrainian veterans of the Red Army's war in Afghanistan. Another victim was a Pole. The first protester to be killed was an Armenian, the second to be killed was a Belarusian. And let's not forget that the whole protest was started by Mustafa Nayem. A Muslim. And an Afghan. Has it ever before happened that people associated with Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Polish, Jewish and homosexual culture have died in a revolution that was started by a Muslim? But you just lie about it all, you say that it was a Nazi coup.

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #228

Czechs living in Volyn begging Czech government to get them out of Ukraine,fearing for their lives,as violence is growing..i guess they must have been brainwashed by Russians and strangely they don't appreciate freedom and democracy made in Ukraine and its new tolerant government. wonder why

ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/domaci/266787-pomoc-pro-volynske-krajany-cesko-jim-muze-udelit-trvaly-pobyt

peterweg
21 Mar 2014  #229

Fearing for their lives from the Russian invasion

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #230

nope theis fear of bandits who took power there:

"When something happens, there is no one to turn to. Appear bandits who say: 'We militia.' Police work, "portrayed Snidevyèová situation in the country

Crow
21 Mar 2014  #231

It would seem that Kaczynski and his PiS'owsce may have something to do with the need for Tusk & his merry men to show some muscle - even if it will be while hanging on the skirts of the bellicose Yankee generals

i do understand Kaczynski. In my opinion (not only mine), his brother Lech was assassinated by NATO/EU. So, man giving his best to avoid destine of the John Kennedy`s family. Total extermination of the clan. Kaczynski must obey

Harry
21 Mar 2014  #232

i mean, even Serbian air defense during NATO bombardment of Yugoslavia/Serbia was able to put down those F-16`s.

You're lying as usual crow: your mob were able to shoot down only a single F-16 despite having literally thousands of opportunities to do that. NATO flew more than 38,000 combat missions and your boys managed to shot down a total of two planes. ROFL!

In my opinion (not only mine), his brother Lech was assassinated by NATO/EU.

Thank you for once again demonstrating that you know nothing about Poland or Poles.

Fearing for their lives from the Russian invasion

Yes, as is made clear in another article from that same source which greggy decided we don't need to see.

They complain about rising crime and fear of conflict with Russia.

ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/svet/266496-chceme-zpet-do-ceska-zadaji-krajane-na-ukrajine-ceskou-vladu/

nope theis fear of bandits who took power there:

And yet again greggy gets caught lying. The bandits have not taken power, the bandits appeared when the police officers had to go to protect the border, as the article you linked to makes clear

According Snidevyèové in Ukraine crime increased after police officers went to protect the border.

That is the sentence before the one you quoted for us. Could you be any more pathetic in your lies?

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #233

es, as is made clear in another article from that same source which greggy decided we don't need to see.

glad you pointed this article,i didnt see it there are some beauties from it:
"local people talking about the increase in crime, burned shops and also the threats due to the fact that some Czechs worked in local government and had to enter into Yanukovich's Party of Regions"

considering what happened before in Volyn i hope those poor Czech don't get axed..its terrible,this thing is happening again

can anyone explain to me what is wolfsangel?this symbol Svoboda party is using?surely cannot be Nazi SS division related.
google.co.uk/search?q=wolfsangel+ss+division&biw=1440&bih=799&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HyssU9SnDaHoywOT_IKYCw&ved=0CEYQsAQ

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel

after all they are supported by EU "democraticly"elected tolerant people

kot
21 Mar 2014  #234

his brother Lech was assassinated by NATO/EU.

Yes,Rasmussen himself did it :D

Harry
21 Mar 2014  #235

surely cannot be Nazi SS division related.

Surely not even you can confuse Ukraine and the Netherlands.

p3undone
21 Mar 2014  #236

Harry,I believe that the majority voted in favor of joining Russia,even if it were only 67%.You seriously believe that of all the pictures they've shown in Crimea....these people were under duress?Russia didn't need to rig the vote.The majority wanted it.This is quite obvious.

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #237

Surely not even you can confuse Ukraine and the Netherlands.

can this be true????!!!! symbol of 2-nd SS pancer division used by acting government of Ukraine??:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine

nahhh.it must be Putins propaganda

Harry
21 Mar 2014  #238

Harry,I believe that the majority voted in favor of joining Russia,even if it were only 67%.

Which is why the majority of people there were against it before tens of thousands of Russian troops invaded. To achieve your 67%, all of the ethnic Russians would have needed to vote in favour and they'd need to have been joined by at least a quarter of the Ukrainian and Tatar population, i.e. people who have suffered genocide at the hands of Russians within living memory.

you seriously believe that of all the pictures they've shown in Crimea....these people were under duress?

Just have a look at these two photos of the same place at the same time:

News

symbol of 2-nd SS pancer division used by acting government of Ukraine??

No greggy, it is not. Yet again you have been caught lying.

gregy741
21 Mar 2014  #239

No greggy, it is not. Yet again you have been caught lying.

do i see banderas flags there???:

justice4germans.com/2013/08/23/ukrainians-honour-the-service-and-sacrifices-of-the-waffen-ss-galicia-division/

p3undone
21 Mar 2014  #240

What time were those photos taken,and where are the Russian troops?You don't think they would be out demonstrating in droves by now?Putin isn't about to mow them all down,while the world is watching.And these people that hated Russia so much....why the hell was that statue of Lenin still standing?They know the situation in Russia is different now.


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