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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



gregy741
11 Sep 2014  #2401

Thank you. The last question... do you have life beyond reading 'rebels' reports? I mean seriously they must have taken well over half a day.

2-3 hours maximum a day,reading news in internet and one newspaper a day.maybe 1 -2 hours maximum a day Ukraine related conflicts news and raports.if i like subject i drill and read.

As for moving to Russia

sometimes i think if Russia offer me citizenship i would tear up polish passport..what my government is supporting there makes me mad and the way they do it is embarrassing and sick .

I can PM you their contacts or you can google it yourselves they don't hide anymore. :)

you not serious. am not pro Russia,am pro rebels and anty banderist and anty nazi.wish Ukraine was united with east part living together in peace like multicultural Kazakhstan but banderist ideology and radicals in Kiev destroyed that option in Maydan...there is no way back.must go separate way,or end up like Yugoslavia in long war.

Barney
11 Sep 2014  #2402

banderist ideology and radicals in Kiev destroyed that option in Maydan

That's quite true, Parubiy has been replaced as secretary then peace breaks out, the nazi National Guard battalions are now close to revolt. Parubiy was in daily direct control of these battalions recruited from the nazi muscle of the maidan coup, the same ones who murdered the people in Odessa then sent East.

The Nazis are slowly being replaced at the same time as the Nazi stories are again being published in the west.

Crow
12 Sep 2014  #2403

It was very stupid from banderists to start their attacks on people of the Serbian roots within Ukraine. Now, they begins to be hated by ethnic Ukrainians.

Serbians there, never asked anything for themselves. They were object of assimilation by Russians, as well as by Ukrainians and after all by Poles. Still, all who preserved their memory on their Serbian origin, lived in Ukraine on the first place as Slavs. In Ukrainian-Russian disputes Serbs always acted as relaxing factor, at the same time with warm feelings for Poles. Truly noble role of my people in Slavic world. Truly noble. But price...

So, banderists goes to history. Neither they would be obstacle to just demands of ethnic Ukrainians, neither they will impose their pressure on Poles and Russians within Ukraine.

Neither they will serve to interests of hostile non-Slavs, in the realm of Slavija.

Nathan
14 Sep 2014  #2404

Russian "humanitarian" help - military trucks hidden in a alleged food trailer:

gregy741
14 Sep 2014  #2405

On September 13, sources from the Army of Novorossiya announced the following:
at least 200 people possibly murdered while in captivity of SBU,0ver 200 POWS missing:
"The prisoners exchange has stalled due to the fact that during a (new) registration of the cellars of the Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU) and cages of all sorts of Naz-battalions, a large number of people from the official lists submitted [by the Kiev regime] to the authorities of Novorossiya have not been found. SBU, covering their eyes, reported to the negotiators that 'these people are no longer in their hands.' In reality, this means that they are after being captured, these people died from the beatings or were executed. Naz-battalions [which are commanded by Arsen Avakov, Kiev's minister of interior] have especially distinguished themselves in the killings of prisoners. These Naz-battalions practice widespread torture and extrajudicial executions of prisoners and suspected supporters of the militias [of Novorosssiya]. Now in Kiev they are trying to find a quick way of how to wriggle out of this situation. One 'option,' which they are considering, is to declare that the disappeared POWs 'escaped from captivity.' The other option under review is to announce that these vanished POWs 'repented and refused to return.' It is reported that we are talking here of at least two hundred people."

Three members of Mozgovoi's "Ghost" brigade, who had been captured by Kiev soldiers, have been found murdered by the ukies. Locals had led Rebel soldiers to where their bodies lay.

can provide link but its graphic
mass widespread executions and brutal murders of Pows by Kiev forces and SBU reports

Crow
16 Sep 2014  #2406

More Slavs to die?

NATO states are supplying Ukraine with weapons - minister

KIEV -- NATO members have begun to supply weapons to Ukraine, according to Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey.

In an interview with Ukrainian television Geletey said that he held "verbal consultations with the defense ministers of the leading countries of the world, those that can help us, and they heard us," RT is reporting.

"The supply of weapons is ongoing," he added.


Szalawa
18 Sep 2014  #2407

More Slavs to die?

I feel rather sad, what can we do Crow?

gregy741
18 Sep 2014  #2408

hahahahaha,good one:

youtube.com/watch?v=gUZF6-UX5C8

A volunteer from Crimea returns back after being capturing by National Guard.
They were kept prisoners in the holes in the ground, some were completely na-ked, there were civilians and women there.
There were executions, they forced to run a group of the people clad in chain on the minefield and they were shooting if someone didn't want to run. They were already body remains there.

At night, when officers didn't care, most terrible things happened.
They burned on his body "separatist" and swastika symbol (1:43)

youtube.com/watch?v=A9xCbw6Nmek#t=99

Sasha
19 Sep 2014  #2409

I feel rather sad, what can we do Crow?

You can overthrow Vladimir Putin, that will put an end to the bloodshed in Ukraine (not immediately though cause the war was already started). Were it not for Russian support, nothing would start over there.

gregy741
19 Sep 2014  #2410

You can overthrow Vladimir Putin, that will put an end to the bloodshed in Ukraine

no,man..someone needs to put end an of nazi scum from Kiev,and bring them to justice for the war crimes they committing.

Were it not for Russian support, nothing would start over there.

if nazi scum didn't burn people alive ,rape ,murder and plunder east Ukraine,the would be no need for "Russian support" there would be no rebellion.

nothing would start over there.

it started in maydan with nazi killing police officers..Russia had nothing to do with nazi thugs in maydan

Crow
19 Sep 2014  #2411

I feel rather sad, what can we do Crow?

i pray.

gregy741
20 Sep 2014  #2412

Banderist scumbags from Kiev dropped 3 tochka ballistic missiles just few hours ago.massive explosions.looks like small nuke:

youtube.com/watch?v=xSyNusxBaFo

youtube.com/watch?v=OTEmD9dgcgY&feature=player_embedded
It seems from early information that three Tochka-U were fired into Donetsk, and while the humanitarian convoy had arrived and had begun to unload, though I do not say the convoy was targeted. One Tochka hit the Kirovsky district, though this is not confirmed, and two hit plant 107 in Kuibyshev district. Possibly the Kirovsky Tochka was also aimed at plant 107 and missed. Preliminary reports say that the plant has been destroyed along with surrounding buildings and there is the possibility of severe numbers of casualities. That Tochka-U have been used cannot be excused as a minor ceasefire violation by some small unit, as this must have been authorised at high level.

just one day since they signed memorandum in Minsk:
Minsk memorandum: Key points

To pull heavy weaponry 15km by each side from the line of contact, creating a 30km security zone
To ban offensive operations
To ban flights by combat aircraft over the security zone
To set up an OSCE monitoring mission
To withdraw all foreign mercenaries from the conflict zone

scumbags

Ukrainian Defense Minister Valeriy Geletey during an interview With Roman Bochkale confirmed the fact that the Russian terrorists during the capture of the Lugansk airport useD tactical nuclear weapons!!!!

censor.net.ua/photo_news/303508/pri_shturme_luganskogo_aeroporta_armiya_rf_vozmojno_ispolzovala_takticheskoe_yadernoe_orujie_geleteyi

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...TOLD YOU THOSE ARE IDIOTS!!!! And of course,they have "evidence" -i guess ,provided by SBU

Fascist gangs dnepr battalion of Israeli citizen Igor Kolomoisky capture companies in city Dnepropetrovsk .
Kolomoyski uses his battalion to capture various companies in Dneproprtrovsk

At 10th August 2014 Adventure right sectors and Nazi battalion Dnepr attacked the office of a licensed private security company "KROK".:
7:20 beating of employees

youtube.com/watch?v=NO3DvWf236Y

from outside: youtube.com/watch?v=h3AYRH6XIZM

they were informed they have new company director :Kolomoisky

and
Nazi parade in Lviv: youtube.com/watch?v=O9DP_cMamcg

InWroclaw
21 Sep 2014  #2413

Moscow marchers condemn Kremlin role in Ukraine war

Russian national television has portrayed Kiev authorities as a "fascist junta" bent on persecuting Russian-speakers during the conflict.

Following a crackdown on dissent, opposition rallies have become increasingly rare and anyone who dared to publicly question the Kremlin's Ukraine policy has been pilloried.

BBC coverage of protests against military intervention in Ukraine by Russia

Demonstrators - with both Russian and Ukrainian flags - are marching from Pushkin Square to Sakharov Boulevard in central Moscow.

Organisers earlier said they hoped up to 50,000 people would take part to denounce what they described as Russia's "aggressive foreign policy".

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Russia Today (Russia's state broadcaster) covers the story:

The demonstrators carried Ukrainian, Russian, and opposition flags, while chanting "No to war!" and other slogans.

According to Naouai, those marching on Sunday deny Kiev's and Washington's responsibility for the events in southeastern Ukraine and "see Russia as the aggressor; as the party that is undermining a chance for peace" in the region. The march traditionally gathered all sorts of opposition groups, with banners of far-right organizations and gay pride flags also noticed in the crowd.

However, didn't the news report that protests in Moscow or perhaps all Russia were now much restricted and limited?

Nathan
21 Sep 2014  #2414

InWroclaw: However, didn't the news report that protests in Moscow or perhaps all Russia were now much restricted and limited?

How can you stop 100,000 people? By what? By half a million troops, borrowing buses from EU to transport them to jail? Or simply start shooting? Some day Putler will do it. This scum won't stop at anything. Respect to those who didn't become dumb herd of Kremlin and showed their position today in Moscow and elsewhere.

gregy741
21 Sep 2014  #2415

How can you stop 100,000 people? By what? By half a million troops, borrowing buses from EU to transport them to jail? Or simply start shooting? Some day Putler will do it

they have long way to be as demoralized as ukrainians..so far no Russian burned alive.don't worry,people in Russia have right to protest unlike Ukrainian people who protest against kiev criminal behavior and end up being beaten and burned alive.

just for you,Right Sector attacks anti-austerity protest in Kharkov: and this criminality is almost on daily basis
as for anty putin protest,dont need to mention there are hundreds western sponsored anti putin organizations in Russia-go figure.Soros& co

gregy741
21 Sep 2014  #2416

Moscow marchers condemn Kremlin role in Ukraine war

the best part was,after march Moscow authorities ordered to wash street with water...Mega trolling of the year award.hahahahahaha
it was brilliant idea


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Nathan
22 Sep 2014  #2417

Crimean Tatars are being persecuted in the occupied by Russia Crimea: Russians closed their library, their national parliamentary assembly Medzlis, there are fascist signs painted on their buildings, telling them to get out of Crimea:

That same policy when hundreds thousands of Tatars were deported in 1944 from Crimea by Stalin and who returned to Crimea after Ukraine's independence, they are now again persecuted by the Russian occupants of the Crimea.

gregy741
22 Sep 2014  #2418

Crimean Tatars are being persecuted in the occupied by Russia Crimea: Russians closed their library, their national parliamentary assembly Medzlis, there are fascist signs painted on their buildings, telling them to get out of Crimea:

i think you are most dishonorable nation in the world. nazi ss glorifying banderist playing tatar card now?
not tatars prosecuted by russiand but radicals sponsored by Kiev..tatars are very happy to be part of Russia and finally not being prosecuted and discriminated by nazi ukra goverment,who refused to grant them official language status for 20 years...russians grant it them already...it took them 2 weeks.

no longer that 2 days ago i watched video of yatseniuk 2 years ago who called for harsh prosecutions and harsh actions against Crimea tatars,calling them enemies of Ukraine.here:

youtube.com/watch?v=508NYb7zBlQ
and now those tatars are the great patriots of ukraine...hehehe you are so pathetic
tell me Nathan,who is that guy on this video calling to prosecute Tatars?

Barney
22 Sep 2014  #2419

i watched video of yatseniuk 2 years ago

Was it two years ago that his party formed a partnership with svoboda the fascist party. Here we have the Ukrainian PM berating a nation for being Muslim a fifth column for Turkey. Why are this junta being taken seriously? They are not implementing austerity as demanded by the IMF who in turn are breaking their own rules by funding this junta.

This Ukraine thing is a mess.........

Nathan
23 Sep 2014  #2420

Yatseniuk refers to the incident in the 1990s when the Tatars upon the return from the forced exile by Stalin came back home and started to take over the land, which belonged to them when they were deported in 1944. Their claims are absolutely reasonable, but there are also people who have lived there for a long time and who legally own this land. For that reason there should have been a special committee, which would solve this dilemma. Just to take over someone's property, although for an understandable reason, is not the way to go. And this is exactly what Yatseniuk was talking about. To Barney: i guess your Ukrainian is rusty, if you at all speak the language: Yatseniuk hasn't said a word berating this nation because it is Muslim. Either learn Ukrainian and tell the truth or don't comment what you don't understand. (Mess is in the head of an ignorant).

Barney
23 Sep 2014  #2421

guess your Ukrainian is rusty

My reading ability is grand, are you saying the translation is not correct?

That guy is berating tartars for being Muslim just as his partner party, the fascists, hate Jews.

Ukraine is a mess brought about by the coup; the thugs of independence sq couldn't wait for elections. Now the people are facing a cold winter with added austerity.

Nathan
23 Sep 2014  #2422

That guy is berating tartars for being Muslim

Please, provide me the words from this translation (however imperfect it is) where he berates Tatars for being Muslim.

Barney
23 Sep 2014  #2423

The translation is written below the video read it.

Sasha
23 Sep 2014  #2424

the best part was,after march Moscow authorities ordered to wash street with water...Mega trolling of the year award.hahahahahaha
it was brilliant idea

If the authorities use community services to troll intellectual elites of the country that means that the country has reached the cultural bottom and holed it through.

gregy741
23 Sep 2014  #2425

how about those authorities who allow,support and promote pp being burned alive or beaten for protesting?has such a country reached "cultural bottom" yet or not?just asking out of curiosity,since you so much support Kiev government actions

Sasha
23 Sep 2014  #2426

I haven't said a word in support of Ukrainian Government so far nor do I have such plans. I just know that if it wasn't for Russia, some tens of thousands people would be alive now.

gregy741
23 Sep 2014  #2427

Ukraine: Missing women found decapitated in Kiev-controlled area *GRAPHIC*:
youtube.com/watch?v=s2o1hIsErqE&list=UU5aeU5hk31cLzq_sAExLVWg&fmt=18

DONETSK, September 23. /ITAR-TASS/. Militias of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic on Tuesday found burials on the site of Kommunar mine's wood depot, 60 kilometres from Donetsk. "This may be a mass grave. The bodies are to be exhumed. The whole area will be studied. Other burials also have been found," a militia fighter told ITAR-TASS.

Criminal proceedings will be conducted, the DPR prosecutor's office said.
Four bodies have been found. Some of them are beheaded. Two days ago units of Ukraine's National Guard took these positions, militias said.

yesterday rebels with help of locals discovered mass grave of rebels Pows,executed by nazguard in zhdanovka.
widespread atrocities are being discovered everyday
amnesty international yet again demanded kiev to stop war crimes

another report of murdered civilians by NG:
vk.com/video-57424472_170101700?list=1f88751346554e2d55

lots of reports from field commanders about discovered graves with executed people in it,in last few days.since ceasfire and ukra army pulled back,Doneck republic started war crimes investigations and with help of locals discover mass graves everyday:

vk.com/strelkov_info

"23/09/14. Video from the militia. "Avengers of the battalion" Aydar "drowned a woman in a recreation area 10 kilometers from Lugansk. Before the murder victim Ukrainian natsgvardeytsy tied hand and foot, was tortured. broke her jaw shot off his finger. According militias, according to everything aydarovtsy killed not only peaceful inhabitant of the Donets Basin, but also their own teammates":

vk.com/strelkov_info
everyday, dozen reports like this..no fokin justice for victims of kiev criminals-sick

Nathan
24 Sep 2014  #2428

Barney: The translation is written below the video read it.

Are you saying you are not able to post a single sentence out of the subtitles, which would support your claim? Please, just a single sentence, supporting your claim of berating Tatars for them being Muslim. Thank you in advance.

Barney
24 Sep 2014  #2429

Just read the translation this guy is a nut, if any normal PM said those things they would be rightly branded racist.

Nathan
24 Sep 2014  #2430

I ask you kindly for the third time, PLEASE, POST A SINGLE SENTENCE, A FEW WORDS, FROM THE WHOLE CONVERSATION SUPPORTING WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BERATING THE TATARS FOR BEING MUSLIM. YOUR EFFORT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.


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