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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it
gregy741
24 Sep 2014 #2432
story about those murdered and tortured women continue:
"Calling the burial "war crimes that cannot be justified," Russia's Foreign Ministry called on the UN, the OSCE and the Council of Europe, alongside non-governmental organizations specializing in human rights, to give "a profound assessment" of what occurred. In a Wednesday press release, the ministry urged international bodies to carry out "an urgent, impartial, objective and comprehensive investigation" and to bring the perpetrators to justice.
The press service of the Ukrainian Donbass operation called the Russian reports false, saying that not a single unit was located in the area, and instead blaming the self-defense forces for the killings of civilians."-of course those women killed and tortured themselves according to Ukra criminals-as usual...
anyway..lots of war crimes discovered...Hague tribunal is closing on those nazi thugs in Kiev
to be fair,this could be work of some Chechen rouge band,but considering massive number of similar war crimes committed by junta thugs,your can bet your home on them
story about those murdered and tortured women continue:
update:
those women were kept in pit and raped,,they found another mass grave nearby with executed Donetsk rebels inside...OSCE People already there:
The separatists accuse the Ukrainians with massacres of civilians. OSCE investigates a crime scene
Russian TV Life News aired material that presents a vision involving local separatist fighters and observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Report shows the battered body of tortured and killed civilians, including women who were to be raped.
Russian TV Life News aired material that presents a vision involving local separatist fighters and observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Report shows the battered body of tortured and killed civilians, including women who were to be raped.
kresy.pl/wydarzenia,wojskowosc?zobacz/separatysci-oskarzaja-ukraincow-o-mordy-na-ludnosci-cywilnej-obwe-bada-miejsce-zbrodni-video
I ask you kindly for the third time, PLEASE, POST A SINGLE SENTENCE, A FEW WORDS, FROM THE WHOLE CONVERSATION SUPPORTING WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BERATING THE TATARS FOR BEING MUSLIM. YOUR EFFORT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED
HIS WHOLE RHETORIC AND he was purely racist and hostile....if he was decent men he would urge government to settle this issue with tatars(compensation or whatever) instead he was calling for tough measures against them.and threatening them.hes cnut -end of
Nathan
24 Sep 2014 #2433
And I tell you again to read his words.....
Harry was absolutely right about you - just a fart sound, no support to an argument and empty referrals to the link, which you haven't even read, just copy-pasted the words of the 3-hours a day strelkov-reader. He at least gets money for being a wh*re, you just parrot whatever he invents without even thinking. I guess you have no shame or self-respect.
Barney
24 Sep 2014 #2434
Read the words, read the translation the Ukrainian PM talks about Muslims and terrorism and Turkey tartars stealing land and he is threatening a crackdown. The man is a joke who needs house trained.
Tartars are Muslim not terrorist they are Ukrainian not Turkish tell that to your PM the guy who entered coalition with nazi party.
You posted some graffiti but have no answer for the Ukrainian PM being taped spouting rubbish.
Sasha
25 Sep 2014 #2435
no longer that 2 days ago i watched video of yatseniuk 2 years ago who called for harsh prosecutions and harsh actions against Crimea tatars,calling them enemies of Ukraine.here:
I just watched the video and didn't hear a call for 'harsh prosecutions etc.' against Crimean Tatars. Do you understand what he's saying? The note in English under the video is somewhat misleading.
gregy741
25 Sep 2014 #2436
new York times:
ukraine security forces arrests random people,torture them and swap them for Ukrainian soldiers:
nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/europe/ukraine-prisoner-swaps-russian-separatists.html?_r=0
major ukrainian media, citing "soldiers mothers" and even showing some "documented proofs" claim that Russian MOD fired russian servicemen post-mortem, without any compensation and acknowledgment -quietly. Fakers went as far as forging official documents allegedly acquired from MOD.
But the famous fake-buster ukrainian journalist Sharii have found that all the names of alleged "dead Russian paratroopers" were taken from a list of Orenburg football team Gazovik-2 .:
youtube.com/watch?v=RNy4BjbVIC4
Another fail of SBU and "soldiers mothers" fakers.
Programmer from Pskov has found his name and photo in the list of "dead Russian paratroopers".
itar-tass.com/spb-news/1429009
War Crimes Committed by Ukraine Military in Donbass: From Illegal Arms Trafficking to Human Organs Trade:
globalresearch.ca/war-crimes-committed-by-ukraines-military-in-donbass-from-illegal-arms-trafficking-to-human-organs-trade/5404389
i would like to introduce to you commander of Azov battalion Andriy Biletsky,
but first thing first..Azov is official government Law enforcement agency under jurisdiction of Ministry of Internal Affairs (Ukraine) and now, Andriy Biletsky,glorious leader of:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_of_Ukraine
The Patriot of Ukraine promotes a radical nationalist, racist and neo-Nazi platform,[1][2][3][4][5] including:[26][27]
Political violence[5][12]
Racism[1][3][4]
Neo-Nazism[2][4][5]
Social nationalism
Nationocracy
Racialism
Aryanism
Rejection of democracy and liberalism
Anti-globalism
Direct action
National solidarity
National hierarchy
Fuhrerism as principle of leadership
Obedience and personal devotion to the national leader
Greater Ukraine - creation of the Third (after Scythia and Kievan Rus) Ukrainian Empire from Baltic to the Caucuses
and he is official commander appointed by-pro democratic and freedom and justice for all -Kievian glorious junta
Crow
30 Sep 2014 #2437
from the Serbian movie `Underground`
This is what needs to get every foreign anti-Slavic soldier or Slavic traitor, on beloved Slavic native ground
,, Jeb*m li ti mater fašistièku!`` - Eng. ``I fu** your fascist mother!``
youtube.com/watch?v=6YXi8rHegqs
gregy741
5 Oct 2014 #2438
Pre-made graves in Dnepropetrovsk:
youtube.com/watch?v=F3etJ8ItUvM#t=263
what those nazis are planing?pay attention on numbers attached to dead soldiers on graves(my guess is its for identification) ...6552..wonder if they started from 1
madness
Crow
11 Oct 2014 #2439
'Fascists, get out!' Spanish students eject protesting Ukraine nationalists (VIDEO)
Students at the Complutense University of Madrid kicked out several radical Ukrainians who stormed into a lecture, trying to provoke a fight. Posters reading, 'Ukraine besieged by fascism will not happen,' appeared in campus halls after the incident.
The university faculty of political sciences and sociology is currently hosting an exhibition titled, "Humanitarian crisis in southeastern Ukraine and its consequences for Europe," which features photographs from Odessa, and the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. The display is part of a series of lectures and roundtables on the situation in Ukraine.
The university faculty of political sciences and sociology is currently hosting an exhibition titled, "Humanitarian crisis in southeastern Ukraine and its consequences for Europe," which features photographs from Odessa, and the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. The display is part of a series of lectures and roundtables on the situation in Ukraine.
Madrid, 08.10.14: Spanische Studenten setzen pro-ukrainischer Aktion rasches Ende
youtube.com/watch?v=vm6rGJIiv6Q
Spain: Madrid students remember Odessa massacre
youtube.com/watch?v=V6z2hgSfAsQ
Somebody manipulate with Ukraine. Somebody outside of the Slavic world.
Crow
16 Oct 2014 #2441
no. We know that all Slavic countries has its interests anywhere within the Slavic world. Its not secret. This goes for Serbia and Poland, too. So, Russia also.
Problem are outside factors that act as sponsors to neo-Nazi movement that is harmful for Ukrainians as well as for other Slavs.
Victorg
10 Nov 2014 #2442
Merged: Revolution in Kiev - consequences for Poles living in Ukraine
Revolution in Kiev, so called Euromaidan has already disappointed many people in Ukraine and the most depressed ones are various ethnical minorities now, I think. We are bursting with indignation just! Leading positions in the country are actually occupied by Ukrainian nationalists mostly and they are just humiliating ethnic Poles, Russians or Hungariaons or other!
My wife, a Pole like me, born in Kiev, used to deliver lectures on history of Ukraine in Taras Shevchenko National University here in Kiev. She has been recently made redundant and made a try to get job in nearby school and they offered her a position of ...... a charlady to clean WCs and all that you know!! The school director declared there are many jobless "even among the Ukrainians"! My wife tried to give her arguments but the director interrupted her in most impolite manner and said that "generally history of Ukraine must be taught only by ethnical Ukrainians"!
Later we happened to learn that from now on students for historical faculty of the university will be only 100% Ukrainians!! It was some "unofficial ruling from the top educational institution". It's really a worry, I think! It turns out to be that is official line of Kiev rather than some stupid wilfulness of the school director!
Crow
13 Nov 2014 #2443
Merged: Czech Vaclav Klaus blames USA and western Europe for Ukraine crisis. Whom blames Polish politicians?
Former Czech leader blames West for Ukraine crisis
PRAGUE -- Vaclav Klaus has accused the West, especially the United States, for escalating the crisis in Ukraine and an attempt to be "world's only policeman."
"The West, primarily the United States and a number of Europeans in the West sensed that, sharpening further the crisis, and above all they have tried and are trying to blame it on Russia," said Klaus.
gregy741
28 Nov 2014 #2444
read this guys:
russia-insider.com/en/2014/11/27/12-53-43pm/top_german_magazine_merkel_totally_screwed-_ukraine_russia_spiegel
spiegel.de/international/europe/war-in-ukraine-a-result-of-misunderstandings-between-europe-and-russia-a-1004706.html
"Stefan, if we sign, will you help us?" Yanukovych asked.
Füle was speechless. "Sorry, we aren't the IMF.
"I feel like I'm at a wedding where the groom has suddenly issued new, last minute stipulations."merkel
and havent we been told Yanukowich was against EU accession?
lol..more sh.it coming out.nice one EU nice..more diplomats like that and dont be surprise we will have another global war
Crow
1 Dec 2014 #2445
Ukrainian General: "Ukraine is under Zionist occupation." / Генерал: "Украину оккупировали Сионисты"
youtube.com/watch?v=uu8JolUBNfg
Ukraine: Rush through Polish border continues after stampede injured elderly woman
Ukraine's elderly struggle to get their pension
youtube.com/watch?v=wd_Af28l7HQ
InWroclaw
13 Dec 2014 #2446
bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
Ever since Ukraine's February revolution, the Kremlin has characterised the new leaders in Kiev as a "fascist junta" made up of neo-Nazis and anti-Semites...
This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% percent barrier to enter parliament,...
Only one government minister has links to nationalist parties - though he is in no way a neo-Nazi or fascist. And the speaker of parliament, Volodymyr Groysman, is Jewish. He has the third most powerful position in the country after the president and prime minister.
This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% percent barrier to enter parliament,...
Only one government minister has links to nationalist parties - though he is in no way a neo-Nazi or fascist. And the speaker of parliament, Volodymyr Groysman, is Jewish. He has the third most powerful position in the country after the president and prime minister.
gregy741
14 Dec 2014 #2447
BBC is not information channel...its one of most politically correct propaganda channel in the world.where are coffins of black people and jews coming from Poland euro 2008?
spare yourself and us this BS,you might as well quote Avakow or Geletei..
as we speak this "non fascist" "freedom and democracy"loving government deployed "UPA" battalion near Donetsk.i dont even want to mention hundreds of openly nazi people in top government positions,including head of police in Kiev.or nazi criminal battalions as we already posted information about them and their war crimes already.
those idiots in BBC dont seem to understand that Ukrainian far right violent ideologies are not directed against Jews but Poles and Russians.having jew,or gay in government doesn't make them any more friendly or civilized.
UPA was filled and abundant with jews and it didn't stop them from hacking to death quarter of million people.
even if we assume Nazism ideology is by definition antisemitic,and thus banderist and ukrainian far right is not nazist therefore,it still violent chauvinist,xenophobic ideology aimed to destroy non ukrainian minorities.but for idiot from BBC everything is OKEY cus they have a jew in goverment..
JollyRomek
17 Dec 2014 #2448
BBC is not information channel...its one of most politically correct propaganda channel in the world.where are coffins of black people and jews coming from Poland euro 2008?
Euro 2008 took place in Austria and Switzerland. The BBC never claimed that coffins have come back from the previous Euro. It was Sol Campbell who made the statement that "fans might end up coming back in a coffin from Euro 2012". Please get your facts right before you tell someone else to "spare us with their BS".
While i agree that Sol Campbell may have exaggerated, the treat of racist incidents was very present. I have lived in Donetsk for over 3 years. I moved there because of football. I spend three years travelling Ukrainian football extensively and know very well that the scene in Ukraine has quite a significant fascist element. I myself am German and because of that i was welcomed into the football scene in Ukraine, however, i had to deal with an awful lot of Hitler salutes and the guys telling me how much they adore Germany (unfortunately for all the wrong reasons).
There is a good reason why Dynamo Kyiv and Karpaty Lviv have a very close and strong friendship. Again, all for the wrong reasons. So yes, the coffin statement was a bit over the top, but there was and still is a fascist element in Ukrainian football.
UPA was filled and abundant with jews and it didn't stop them from hacking to death quarter of million people.
That OUN / UPA was filled with jews is incorrect. OUN / UPA was very active in anti-jewish activities, killing jews who managed to escape or hide from German captivity and historians have argued that OUN / UPA was very well involved in the Lviv Progroms that took place in July 1941. However, there were some jews in the ranks of UPA but only for as long as they were useful for example as medical personnel.
To claim that UPA was "filled with jews" is a misleading statement, in my opinion, even intentionally misleading.
gregy741
17 Dec 2014 #2449
That OUN / UPA was filled with jews is incorrect. OUN / UPA was very active in anti-jewish activities, killing jews who managed to escape or hide from German captivity and historians have argued that OUN / UPA was very well involved in the Lviv Progroms that took place in July 1941
thats your opinion not fact.they had abundance of jews whithin their ranks,and not only medical stuff but also commanders :
These included Dr. Margosh, who headed UPA-West's medical service, Dr. Marksymovich, who was the Chief Physician of the UPA's officer school, and Dr. Abraham Kum, the director of an underground hospital in the Carpathians. The latter individual was the recipient of the UPA's Golden Cross of Merit.{ref|August 2014..
notheless,, Antisemitism did not play a central role in Ukrainian nationalist ideology,and saying that UPA is cool cus theu got jew in goverment is plain stupid from BBC,,,tho cant say am surprised.
The BBC never claimed that coffins have come back from the previous Euro. It was Sol Campbell
and who chose to quote Soll instead lets say, some friendly toward Poland comment from different person?
you dont seem to realize how media work.there are millions people with different attitude towards Poland,and its up to journalist who he is using in his report.
Sol Campbel was shown in this report for reason,cus it suit narrative of this report.dont say BS,"it wasnt BBC,it was SOL"
tons of jewish leaders positive comments were removed and refused to shown,,it was scandal,even those jews from this report were threatening with legal action against BBC for defamatory and manipulations.
JollyRomek
17 Dec 2014 #2450
but only for as long as they were useful for example as medical personnel.
thats your opinion not fact.
ok so.........
These included Dr. Margosh, who headed UPA-West's medical service
Dr. Marksymovich, who was the Chief Physician
Dr. Abraham Kum, the director of an underground hospital in the Carpathians
I rest my case..............
you dont seem to realize how media work.there are millions people with different attitude towards Poland,and its up to journalist who he is using in his report.
Good thing that you know how the media works and can explain it to me, thank you! Although, funny that you still believe that the journalist actually has a choice as to what he is reporting on and what he is to quote and what not........ Again, i think i will just rest my case with you. Any further discussion seems pointless.
Crow
21 Dec 2014 #2451
suffering of Slavic children in our time
'The highest price': Over 1.7mn children affected by Ukrainian conflict, UN says
December 20, 2014 10:58 / rt
rt.com/news/216251-children-ukraine-un-report/
The conflict in eastern Ukraine is having a horrendous impact on as many as 1.7 million children, and hundreds of schools have been damaged or destroyed, according to the latest report by the UN Children's Fund.
Of 1 million people displaced due to the ongoing violence, at least 130,000 are children. Also, tens of thousands of kids are in the conflict zone.
"It is essential that children are able to return to school and resume their education. Children continue to bear the brunt of this conflict, with schooling disrupted and access to basic services limited. Some are witness to violent fighting and shelling. We remind all parties to the conflict in Ukraine to ensure all children are protected from the ongoing violence," said Marie-Pierre Poirier, UNICEF Regional Director for Central & Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
Of 1 million people displaced due to the ongoing violence, at least 130,000 are children. Also, tens of thousands of kids are in the conflict zone.
"It is essential that children are able to return to school and resume their education. Children continue to bear the brunt of this conflict, with schooling disrupted and access to basic services limited. Some are witness to violent fighting and shelling. We remind all parties to the conflict in Ukraine to ensure all children are protected from the ongoing violence," said Marie-Pierre Poirier, UNICEF Regional Director for Central & Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
Ukraine: 1.7 MILLION children affected by Ukraine conflict - UNICEF
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JK8gRRmoUj4
Herbas
26 Dec 2014 #2452
Merged: Ukraine is unhealthy.
I was involved in some business projects in the Ukraine lately and I feel somewhat discouraged about how things are going there at present. It seems worrisome that Ukraine is still far from being part of civilized world far as development of business there is concerned. There's widespread corruption in the top power echelon and unhealthy meddling of politicians into business.
There's some smart successful businessman Dmitry Firtash and he perhaps controls really substantial part of the Ukrainian economy at present. Firtash is a billionaire and key investor into energy and chemical sectors of the Ukrainian economy. And I got the impression that acting Ukrainian prime-minister Yatsenyuk somewhat dislikes the fact and does his best to undermine positions of Firtash. Now he's trying to force Firtash into converting 8 bln grivnas into American dollars at the most uncomfortable rate of 25 grivnas for a dollar. If Firtash agrees to this robbery, his losses will be as much as 2 bln grivnas! They say, many issues are settled in Ukraine via briberies.....
gregy741
3 Jan 2015 #2454
Sad and shocking how things are turning in Lughansk and how ruthlessness are politicians and Putin.
looks like Putin is pulling out of Novorussija and made some deal behind closed doors.fair enough but killing those Novorussia patriots with murder of Bednov, "Batman" by Moscow appointed head of LPR Igor Plotnitsky i found shocking and unexpected :
youtube.com/watch?v=dgh7T8GoFo8
additionally 40 soldiers from his 4th brigade of LPR are surrounded in Lughansk .. Bednov Mozgovoi i Dremov and Knaz are next i guess
Alexander Alexandrovich Bednov, better known under the nickname 'Batman' and as the creator of the battalion [fast-reaction group Batman]and The Chief of Staff of the 4th brigade of LPR .Alexander Bednov died on the morning of January 1, 2015 during an attack on his convoy
looks like Russia bowed to sanction and now cleaning those who dont comply with terminating project Novorussija.
Crow
4 Jan 2015 #2455
Sad and shocking how things are turning in Lughansk and how ruthlessness are politicians and Putin.
politicians are politicians, since the beginning of political history
Putin? Just one politician, influential in one moment. i am already curious who would be next Russian president, after Putin.
looks like Putin is pulling out of Novorussija and made some deal behind closed doors.fair enough but killing those Novorussia patriots with murder of Bednov, "Batman" by Moscow appointed head of LPR Igor Plotnitsky i found shocking and unexpected :
we can`t be sure for the scenarios of all kind of political games. But, what we know, fighters on terrain are expendable. It was always that way
gregy741
4 Jan 2015 #2456
looks like those commanders causing huge problems to Russia by not keeping with ceasefire terms,and they are obstacle to removing sanctions from Russia.
even few days ago Mercel demanded from Putin to press separatists or face further sanctions.looks like LPR Kremlin appointed polotnitsky is putting rouge commanders in line.
still,those people went there, fighting for idea,and went through hell,fighting outnumbered and outgunned.thats not fair in my book
its got so unbelievable...yatseniuk just condemned "soviet aggression" on hitlers germany saying this should never be allowed again...lol
russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/09/2299?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"Russian aggression in Ukraine - this an attack on world order and order in Europe. We all well remember invasion of USSR into Germany and into Ukraine. We must not allow this. No one has the right to rewrite the results of the second world war."
those people need psychiatrist,,utter utter idiots
Velund
9 Jan 2015 #2457
those people need psychiatrist
Someone already suggested to send to Ukraine 500 psychiatrists instead of $500m financial aid. ;)
Crow
9 Jan 2015 #2458
Germanization of Ukraine continues
Something wrong with Ukraine, EU': Czech leader condemns 'Nazi torchlight parade'
January 04, 2015 / rt
rt.com/news/219783-nazi-parade-kiev-bandera/
The chilling slogans and a flagrant demonstration of nationalist symbols during the neo-Nazi march in Kiev reminded the Czech President Milos Zeman of Hitler's Germany. He said something was "wrong" both with Ukraine and the EU which didn't condemn it.
Zeman was commenting on the appalling scenes, which showed thousands of Ukrainian nationalists holding a torchlight procession across the Ukrainian capital on Thursday to commemorate the 106th birthday of Stepan Bandera, a Nazi collaborator and the Ukraine nationalist movement's leader during World War II.
"There is something wrong with Ukraine," the Czech Republic's leadertold radio F1 on Sunday. "Yesterday evening I was browsing the Internet and discovered a video showing the demonstration on Kiev's Maidan on January 1."
Zeman was commenting on the appalling scenes, which showed thousands of Ukrainian nationalists holding a torchlight procession across the Ukrainian capital on Thursday to commemorate the 106th birthday of Stepan Bandera, a Nazi collaborator and the Ukraine nationalist movement's leader during World War II.
"There is something wrong with Ukraine," the Czech Republic's leadertold radio F1 on Sunday. "Yesterday evening I was browsing the Internet and discovered a video showing the demonstration on Kiev's Maidan on January 1."
Thousands of ultra-nationalists march in Kiev honoring Stepan Bandera
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dKMzwhHzRps
Marsupial
10 Jan 2015 #2459
Honestly I am sick of the ukis the ungreatful twats. Could not care less anymore. The place is insane. Personal opinion only.
Crow
10 Jan 2015 #2460
As Czech president noticed, something is very wrong with EU when encourage Nazism in Slavic countries. It was case in former Yugoslavia (in Croatia) and as we see these days in Ukraine. If we clearly can spot that EU connection to the germanization, we actually get the message (having in mind what process of germanization historically means), that EU isn`t for Slavs, that assimilation of Slavs represent something natural.
Not to mention that EU already, as NATO itself, demonstrated every capability of lying, stealing, spreading of media propaganda, coordination with extreme islamists and mafia elements of every kind, introduction of economic embargoes as the mean of pressure on sovereign countries and even open military aggressiveness, etc, etc. All that not only of the example of former Yugoslavia and Ukraine but also in other occasions.
So, that is the EU. Lets` face it. Czech president said it well: ``something is wrong with EU``.
Germanizad Slavs tend to be greater Germanics then Germanics themselves. Germany loosing control over its players in Ukraine, who tries everything possible and impossible in attempts to please Germany. Humiliating indeed, for both, Merkel and Yatsenyuk
Rewriting history: Ukrainian PM Yatsenyuk says USSR invaded Germany during WWII
youtube.com/watch?v=W-i--EAfBPw