Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

That is not what Yatsenyuk has said. But of course, it is up to the media to interpret and sell it in their own way. We all know that RT is particularly good at it.

What Yatsenyuk has actually said is that we can all remember the Soviet forward movement on Ukraine and subsequently on to Nazi Germany. He did not say that the Soviet Union invaded Germany but expressed how powerful the Soviet Union was on marching on the retreating German army.

Of course, some people interpret that as saying "Soviet Union invaded Germany" whilst others understand that what he meant is that we should not underestimate Russia and it's striking power.

However, if i am not mistaken it is the Russians who still maintain the fact that the "Great patriotic war" started in 1941, completely forgetting that the Soviet army was in fact involved in the war since 1939. I was in Balashikha (a suburb of Moscow) in September. Across from my Hotel there was a monument of soldiers. Underneath it read "1941 - 1945". So who is really rewriting history??? :)

even if you could be right, that does not change my overall impression of deep humiliation. Why did Yatsenyuk even referring on those issues? Why go into it in front of Merkel? How to tell you man, its disgusting to me. But, its not only thing that is disgusting to me, to be clear here. All Russian schemes with Germany are also deeply disgusting to me. It coming back now to Russians as boomerang, no matter that even when made those deals with Germans, Russians just tried to cope, same way as they tries to cope today. Just, Russians were not competent enough, not enough advanced, still, enough corrupt.

Generally, actions of political elites in biggest Slavic countries- Russia, Poland and Ukraine are insult to reason of every Slavic man and woman. i can hardly found words to describe what i fell. At the same time, western European and USA magnates knows what they doing and they step by step goes to it.

What he said can be heard here
1tv.ru/owa/win/one_news_single.embed_video_news_list?p_news_id=275361

He uses the English word Invasion, presumably to avoid confusion in translation.

He did use the word invasion, he did say that The Soviet Union invaded Germany and Ukraine.

what would happen with Slavic civilization?

Barney, do you actually believe that Yatsenyuk is not capable of knowing his audience? Do you really believe he would claim that the Soviet Union invaded Germany while on a visit to Germany, the country that started the war?

Surely you are able to understand how Russia Today has managed to make a story out of it and why they do it, no?

It's not a matter of what I believe it's a matter of what he said.

I gave a link above, he used the English word invasion while speaking Ukrainian to a german audience clearly he intended to use that word.

Ok, so what you are saying is that Yatsenyuk purposely used the word "invasion" in order to manipulate his German audience.

Bravo........you should watch more Russia Today. It clearly is doing your intelligence and judgment a favor :) :)

I'm saying that Yats chose to use the English word invasion when speaking Ukranian to a German audience. What conclusion could possibly be drawn except that it was intentional or the man is a moron.

He made the decision to use that English word it has nothing to do with any media organisation. As much as you would like him to have said something different or to have used an other word he did not. He chose to say Invasion, in English when speaking Ukrainian.

I actually don't care much about the things he says, i am not a great fan of him. What i do care about though is propaganda, spreading stories and twisting words. Specially when it comes to Ukraine it hits home for me.

But I can see that you are position your argument around one word he said instead of trying to see the big picture. Russia Today worked on you. Bravo :)

The video of that interview is easily available he used the English word invasion. Clearly you wish he had said something else but he didn't.

I thought i made it even clearer that I am not too fuzzed about what he says in general but ok, it seems that you prefer to only read, hear and see what you want to read, hear and see.

Wasting time with brainwashed propaganda puppets is not usually part of my Monday evening agenda so conversation over.

The man chose to use the word invasion yet you said he didn't which is very odd.

Humm thats a good point.

It is actually quite scary. From my time in Ukraine (Donbass to be precise) I remember how even Ukrainians in that region were talking about the great patriotic war . All too often you would see signs on 9th of May that read 1941 - 1945. Even nowadays, over 20 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, people still believe that the red army got involved in the war in 1941 only.

I find that very scary.

His statement was perfectly accurate.

It's not scary at all


Not really, here is one from the US

The US started fighting in 1941, so what would you expect their war memorials to say?
However, your great friends, the Russians, were fighting in both 1939 and 1940 in the five countries which they invaded in those years. You might want people to forget that fact, but here in Poland we remember that the Red Army invaded in 1939.

Interesting. You seem to be missing the point that the United States officially kept their neutrality until 1941. Therefore the U.S. was only involved in combat from 1941 - 1945.

A bit different to the Soviet army which physically got involved in the war in 1939.

Perhaps Barney wants us to believe that the Soviet troops who invaded Poland in 1939 were just "local self-defense units" who had bought their equipment at a local store, just as his hero claimed the Russian troops who invaded and occupied Crimea were? And perhaps to him the Soviet troops who invaded the Baltic States in 1940 were the same as the only Russian troops who, according to his hero, are currently occupying other parts of Ukraine, i.e. just on their holidays.

No I'm not missing any point, the Soviet Union was involved in the Great Patriotic war from 1941 just as their monuments say.
There is nothing scary or sinister about those monuments.

The Soviet Union was involved in WWII from 17 September 1939 onwards. In the unlikely event that you ever visit Poland you can visit graves of Polish heroes murdered by your beloved Russians on that date: it might help you learn that fact and remember it in the future.

Perhaps you would like to tell us why you don't want people to talk about Russians invading countries which they very clearly did invade, such as Ukraine, Poland and Germany?

And what do you call the involvement in the war from 1939 - 1941?

The "Great Patriotic War" is something the communists invented in order to hide the war crimes they have committed in the 2 years prior. Surely tovarish Stalin could not lose his face in front of his people so instead of admitting facts, the "Great Patriotic War" was created and the red army suddenly was only involved since 1941 when Germany launched "Barbarossa".

I guess Katyn also never happened?

The Soviet Union was involved in several wars during that period.


That guess would be wrong.

The Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east as part of an agreement between Hitler and Stalin. There is no such thing as the "Polish - Soviet war 1939 - 1941" or whatever you want to call it. It was one war, WW2.

Therefore, claiming that the Soviet army only entered WW2 in 1941 is factual incorrect, misleading and nothing more than propaganda.

No, the Soviet Union was involved in various elements of WWII during that period, and no amount of revisionist history will change that fact.


I find it very interesting that Barney thinks that there is nothing sinister about Russian war memorials denying the fact that Russia was involved in WWII from 17 September 1939 onwards.

The monuments you found scary were erected in the Soviet Union where that conflict was called the great patriotic war there is no therefore about it, you may not like that fact but there is nothing you can do about it.

What is sinister is people here today denying that the USSR took part in WWII before 1941.

Strangely, those same people also support the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukraine, claiming that Ukraine is run by Nazis.
Do you still claim that neo-nazis are in charge of several ministries of the Ukrainian government?


I wonder why you prefer that discussion to one about RT, etc going off in the deep-end about a Ukrainian politician pointing out that the USSR invaded Germany.

why,cus he has different opinion than you?why dont you join English forum?


when that happened?am i missing smthng from history?


every single one of them..i consider ukra banderist nationalism worse than nazism...there you go

1945.


Undoubtedly.

ohhh...according to yatseniuk "this should never be allowed to happen again" hahahah there you go...Yats the village idiot
would you support this statement?