Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

I was reacting to this:


Are you his agent?
I won't be relocating as I have made my home in this country (Poland, that is). I contribute to the country in many ways. Do you? Does Crow?

It was an invasion just like Britain and the US etc crossing the German border was an invasion however choosing to use that word especially a word that neither speaker nor audience use was peculiar to say the least. Yats was making a political point, a revisionist point. Jolly denied that Yats said invasion claiming it was propaganda made up by Russian media which is peculiar as the interview was on German TV.

yea..i dont know whats wrong with this guy..hes not doing Ukraine any favor or credibility to this government.he was praising Grozny attack,compared seps to France terrorists,called striking pensioners -russian agents ect.

he needs head checking.never seen so much cynical demagogy from the head of government before.

That is not what he said.


Of course I support what he said. Anybody with even a quarter of a brain supports it.

globalresearch.ca/ukraine-pm-yatsenyuks-nazi-rhetoric-accuses-ussr-of-having-invaded-germany-and-ukraine-during-ww2/5424232

"We need to avoid [a repeat of] it."
well meaning is the same.some other sources translated different..
here translation from german journalist:
A disinterested German journalist kindly provided me with this translation:

"We can remember very well the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany.

We have to make sure that this doesn`t happen again. No one has the right to redraw the post war map of Europe."

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/01/what-did-he-actually-say-a-puzzle-from-berlin.html

Which words in that statement are you disagreeing with?

The only person denying anything here is you my friend. Same as denying the fact that the Soviet Army has entered WW2 in 1939 instead of 1941.

What I have said is that it is up to you how you interpret what Yatsenyuk has said. Words can have different meanings and is up to the audience to try to understand. Of course, when being led by media outlets such as Russia Today, it is not difficult to understand why you interpret Yatsenyuk's words as an attempt to re-write history.

You would do well if you would attempt to learn more about Ukraine and form your own opinion. Unlike you, who probably never set foot into Ukraine or Russia, I have lived in Donetsk for three years. I know the Ukrainian people very well whether they are from east, west or central Ukraine. I do not like Yatsenyuk, nor do i like Poroshenko very much. I also did not like the "The Don from Donetsk" either as he was probably the worst thing that ever happened to Ukraine. All i want to see is someone actually able to steer Ukraine into the right direction, eliminates corruption and allows people to live a life that is actually worth living. Therefore, what Yatsenyuk has to say is not really of interest to me because once again Ukraine has a leadership that appears to be talking loudly yet nothing happens.

What i really dislike though, even if his speeches are just empty words for me, is propaganda. The intend to brainwash people to make them believe whatever you have to say. I can see that you are trying to the same here on this forum by twisting words, not answering to direct questions etc.

On that basis, my conversation with you is over because first of all, you do not have the slighest clue about Ukraine and Russia (and dont even try to tell me otherwise, it is obvious), nor are you able to have a discussion based on facts without running danger of starting to twist words again.

Ever since he got into bed with Svoboda about 3 years ago, the man has mistaken ultra nationalist rhetoric for charisma


He used English to make a point, a revisionist point and you are using too many to say nothing

Still seeing Nazis everywhere; that really is unfortunate for you.


It is in no way 'revisionist' to state that the USSR invaded Germany during WWII.

In other news, Interpol have placed the former leader of Ukrainian (who the Putin fanboys here support) on their wanted list, so he won't be going anywhere outside of Russia any time soon.


Full story here:
kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/interpol-issues-places-former-president-yanukovych-on-wanted-list-former-prime-minister-azarov-missing-377183.html

Well, i guess he can still go on vacation to Novorossiya, Transnistria, Abchasia and if he needs something more exotic, North Korea.

the way he said it and condemned this "invasion" it it is.
i understand invading someones country as a act of hostility and aggression.
USSr ENTERED GERMANY in order do defend itself and end the war started by germans.so in this way Yats is revisioning history by manipulating and twisting meaning

not to mention Yatz "this must never happen again"

It's nobody's fault but your own if you don't understand English words properly.

dont even mention that those words come from ultra fascist war criminal such as Yatseniuk.i would put it down as a mistake if some other europe leader said this.but with yatseniuk its clear that no mistake or bad chosen words was made.hes nazi,i have no doubt,its not the first time


whats your opinion regarding freezing pensions of people in seps controled areas by kiev?

I see that we can add the words 'ultra' 'fascist' 'war criminal' (and 'criminal') along with 'invade' onto the list of words you don't know the meaning of.


And 'Nazi'.
The list is getting quite long, isn't it.


If Putin wants to be the overlord of the people there, he can pay for that. In the meantime I can see no reason for sending money to be stolen by criminals.

If you want the war to stop, email your hero and tell him to get his troops out of Ukraine.

first,those pensioners paid for their pensions for decades.second,kiev state that hes fighting bunch of terrorists,not Ukrainian citizens.and there is no evidence that pensions of old people ending up in seps hands..keep trying to whitewash criminals and thiefs

There's also no evidence of a system which allows pensions to be paid out, because the Russians have destroyed it.
Your boys promised bigger pensions when the region was 'independent', so now they can make good on their promises.

By the way, your terrorist Russian friends are making sure that taxes are collected and paid to the state treasury of Ukraine, aren't they? Surely you don't expect a situation in which your 'people's republics' pay nothing to the Ukrainian budget but still expect to be paid they used to get.


Criminals and thieves? Those would be the people who are stealing Ukraine's coal and offering to sell it back to Ukraine, i.e. the people in the Kremlin you want to be your bosses.

decission of stopping pension was not results of lack of means or infrastructure to paid em.
it was made to punish donbass residents and starve them into submission,and kievs officials dont even hide it. your whitewashing attempts are at best grotesque


who promised that?you are lying again?and hows that an excuse to deliberately starve most vulnerable people by goverment


pensioners paid already,,for 40 years money were deducted towards their pensions


i found it despicable,you would justify depraving elderly people from their very basic means to survive winter

The fact that the USSR could not invade its own territory as Yats claimed makes the rest of his statement equally revisionist.


Kiev has the ability to lodge payments into bank accounts but chose to end payments rather than honour its comittment to Ukrainian citizens

Your terrorist buddies:


independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-fighting-in-donetsk-between-army-and-russianbacked-rebels-at-highest-level-for-months-9973723.html


I've just shown that I'm not; such a pity that you cannot prove that you are not, or that I ever have been.


Perhaps some of the 'humanitarian' convoys your wannabe bosses in the Kremlin send to the region could carry humanitarian supplies in place of arms and ammunition?


What an excellent point. Such a pity that your terrorist buddies have destroyed the banking system in the areas they control.

haha you right,Ukraine was part of USSR back then...lol i omitted this

I know that you don't care about things such as facts or reality, but there were more than a few people in Ukraine who didn't consider Ukraine to be Soviet territory.

And of course you somehow manage to forget about the other Soviet invasions of Ukraine. How convenient for your fantasy.

hows that some promise by some "terrorist buddies" excuse this robbery of old people pensions?how do you know where loyality of pensioners lie,or even if they belive in better russian pensions,hows that relieve kiev from obligation of paying people money its THEIRS.i dont get it harry


what those people consider doesnt change fact that Ukraine was part of USSR,but i know you don't care about things such as facts or reality

Well then they can go and get it. Sadly they will have to go to get it from a place where the Ukrainian government can check they will get it and it won't just be stolen before it gets to them, but that's the fault of your terrorist friends, so blame them.


Not when it was first invaded by the USSR, but don't let historical facts get in your way.

Ukraine declared independence 23 years ago, so technically they only paid to the Ukrainian state for 23 years. The other 17 years they paid to the USSR. Surely, now that a lot of them "run" through the streets of Donetsk shouting "Rossiya, Rossiya", let their beloved "Rossiya" pay for it. Anyway, they are owned 17 years of pension contribution by Russia anyway, according to your logic.

Funnily enough, it is the pensioners in Donetsk who support a united Ukraine who complain less about the freeze of their pension than their Russia-loving neighbours.

dmitry Ponomarenko, pastor of the City of Light Protestant church, said he believes the starvation toll is in the hundreds, perhaps thousands. His assessment is based largely on accounts from parishioners and 300 seniors who come to his church daily for a free meal. In one month, they reported more than 100 starvation deaths of pensioners in Donetsk, he said.

usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/12/25/ukraine-donetsk-starvation-separatists-russi a/20824485

Still funny?

The situation is not funny at all but who is really to blame here?

Are you not able to see past your own logic? You blame the Ukrainians for freezing pensions. You blame the Ukrainians for using the army against it's own people. You blame the Ukrainians for everything. Yet, you expect the Ukrainians to still financially support the region?

What is the Ukrainian government supposed to do, if it wants to defend its territory?

You need to take a very close look at who is roaming the streets of Donetsk with guns in their hands. They have literally done nothing for the population and their motherland which they sworn to defend from the "Junta".

The only person from Donetsk who is actually doing something is Rinat Achmetov and his foundation by handing out provisions, yet, he is the one the separatists have declared to be a traitor.

You seriously need to take a very close look at the situation in Donbass and understand the whole situation and not just what you want to understand or serves your arguments.

junta,of course..
for illegal seizing power,alienating people through criminal behavior,attempts to ban peoples language,violence,rapes, murders,aidar,azov,right sector,sloboda,oligharhs in top positions,,,and on and on


it it Ukrainians who claim its their region,abd deny their right to self govern ,isnt? so either support or go fok out of there,and let people live their lives


pensioners?perhaps?


maybe because they have no means cus they are surrendered and bombed by 10 times more powerful forces,infrastructure destroyed,communication destroyed ect.

Yes Yats claiming the USSR invaded itself was quite comical these revisionist views will soon have Putin wrestling with the Urnfield people to decide who is the true owner of the land.

Of course none of this falsification will help the Ukrainian citizens receive their pensions denied to them by Kiev. The ridiculous situation where Ukrainians are only Ukrainian in times of peace must be ended. If Kiev wishes to turn its back on its own citizens or those it thinks voted (or may vote) the wrong way it will hasten the further partition of its own country.

Ah ok. And that was different before the "junta" seized power? Remember the Don who slowly but surely build up a Ukrainian state a la Sicily?


Well, what did they expect? Running around like headless chicken firing their guns and declare that from now on Donetsk is no longer Ukraine but DNR. And what kind of reaction from the Ukrainian side did they think they would get? If they want their independence, surely they must make sure that their citizens have at least the basics to survive, no? Or did they expect that Ukraine would give them independence and continue to send money?

true...but they didnt have private armies and running around killing people.not to mention, Maidan was suppose to change that olighars system ...and look what we got


they probably hoped for Crimea scenario,but Russia hesitated and pulled out...god knows..idea was to free themselves from hostile to them government that didn't represent them and installed itself by violent coup