Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

i seen images of one of them in french army uniform with medals..there was a story about them in militaryphotos.net.


cant be serving soldier,since hes there not in France.point is,same with Russian,some on vacation,some former military and so on.
in conflicts like this,vast majority of volunteers are either former or current military..normal people are just to scare to go and fight in war,unless they are forced.

point is,you posted link with lies from washington post,claiming they discovered secret about Russian army involvement and you was claiming that even separatist leader admitted..yet your links quoted zakharchenko merely saying that Russian volunteers are involved...something nobody has ever denied...you are lier Harry

Oops, yet again gregy reposts one of his master's fantasies here!
The bloke with the silly 'tashe is Victor-Alfonso Lenta, a Colombian Frenchman; he was corporal of the 3rd Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment and was kicked out for involvements with neo-nazis.

anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.com/2014/08/french-eurasianists-join-pro-russian.html


worldcrunch.com/ukraine-winter/with-a-far-right-band-of-frenchmen-fighting-in-ukraine/far-right-nationalism-mercenaries-separatists-soldiers-/c20s16888/#.VNT64WjF-So

But in gregy's reality he was an officer!

And we also have Nikola Perovic, Serbian French, and used to be a corporal in France's 13th Mountain Infantry Battalion.
bbc.com/news/world-europe-28951324

I wonder if gregy even knows what an officer is.

lol..its funny how you quote RT as divine truth when it suits your narrative.


see...so they are former military nonetheless...just one minute ago you were saying that they are civilians. didnt you?

Hahahaha! It turns out that two of the four men who in gregy's reality are "serving French soldiers" have no military background at all!


worldcrunch.com/ukraine-winter/with-a-far-right-band-of-frenchmen-fighting-in-ukraine/far-right-nationalism-mercenaries-separatists-soldiers-/c20s16888/#.VNT64WjF-So

But at least one of them is a fellow Nazi for Victor:


Same source.


You claimed they are all serving French officers. None of them are, none of them ever have been, half of them never served France at all.


One of them was saying that they are civilians (which they are, at best).

Got to love gregy's reality :D :D :D

harry,,perovic and victor are military..you wanted me to post you links proving military volunteers from France are fighting in Donetsk,so i did.

i dont know their "nazi " background and don't care..seen them 6 months ago in France military uniforms and seen few videos.
this is you...when you dont have point,you start sticking to minor things to confuse thing up.
point remains,France in not at war with Ukraine,because their military men serves in Donetsk.same goes with Russia
you make yourself a farce by saying" rebel commander admitted that Russia army is involved" and now trying to stir s.hit up.

beside,,if you read their story,you find out that they were intercepted by Russian services when trying to enter Ukraine and kicked out to Hungary.

also..they were outrage in Donetsk few months ago about Russian authorities trying prosecute Russian volunteer soldiers for their involvement in Ukraine.not everything is what you believe Harry..too much BBC and CNN.try something different

Please gregy, make an effort to tell the truth.
I asked you here "Any chance of a link to sources evidencing that serving Swedish soldiers and French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine? Or could that perhaps be yet another of your fantasies?"

You replied here


You then crowed about it here


I am sorry that yet again I have needed to demonstrate that you are a fantasist who unquestioningly repeats the BS from the Kremlin.


No serving French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine. Serving Russian soldiers are fighting in Ukraine.

perhaps some Russian serving soldiers are.but not under military command of Russian armed force.period..unless you got evidence.please give me your best shot,after one year, any evidence,anything

one on biggest military force in world is fighting war in Europe for one year and there is not a single satellite image,not a single intercepted communication,image,video...POW?

There is no 'perhaps' about it: Russian forces are in Ukraine. If you want to claim that they are not under Russian command, prove that.


Quite right there is not a single POW, there are at least ten times that number :D :D :D

Now, any chance of a link to sources evidencing that serving Swedish soldiers and French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine? Or could that perhaps be yet another of your fantasies? :D

And how about some sources to support your claim that Frenchmen who have no military background are serving French officers? :D :D :D

2 of them has


MIKAEL SKILLT former swedish army sniper,i heard somwhere hes killed tho

You specifically stated that Guillaume "Lenormand" Cuvelier and Michael Takahashi "are not only [serving French] soldiers but officers", so let's have a source for that. Come on! :D :D :D :D


:D :D :D
Here's a helpful hint for you, gregy, somebody who is "former Swedish army" is not a serving member of the Swedish army.

Now, any chance of a link to sources evidencing that serving Swedish soldiers and French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine? Or could that perhaps be yet another of your fantasies? :D

And how about some sources to support your claim that Frenchmen who have no military background are serving French officers? :D :D :D

if there is Russian army under Russian command in Ukraine,we wouldn't be even discussing this as a possibility..it would be obvious for entire world.and evidence would be abundant.

remember this pentagon farce when their reviled two (lol) satellite images "showing" Russian army.nothing was there but few barely visible objects.
when asked why so poor quality images,they answered " well ,we got good ones but we wont show them" lol

So who do you claim commands the Russian forces in Crimea?

Now, any chance of a link to sources evidencing that serving Swedish soldiers and French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine? Or could that perhaps be yet another of your fantasies? :D

And how about some sources to support your claim that Frenchmen who have no military background are serving French officers? :D :D :D

Crimea is Russian territory,after free referendum supported by something like 80% of its population.and russian black see army was stationing in sevastopol since second world war i believe

Hahahahaha! That's nearly as amusing as your claims about serving French officers fighting in Ukraine! :D :D :D
Even Putin's own Human Rights Council posted a report showing the turnout of Crimean voters was only 30 %. And of those, only half voted for the referendum - meaning only 15% of Crimeans voted for annexation.

forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation

we were discussing this like 100 times here already...
from your link.i merely started reading it and it makes me puke:
"No international observers were allowed" lies and lies and lies...like yourself..were discussing this already didnt we?
why you bring up this rubbish stupidity of journalism here..

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Then you come back at me with the same source that I gave you below like you are a cut above with this reply.
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OH ! Who gave you that link by your request ?
Do you expect that I have to use the same source everytime ?
And IN YOUR OPINION my source has no credibility and that ONLY YOUR sources are credible. Pffffft !
That was my point "Mr. Cut Above".
How about just humbling yourself a tad here as your opinion has no more authority here as the next guy.
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Ha ha, remember when you point your finger at someone that you have three pointing back at yourself as in this case.

Alex Jones's infowars.com ohh boy.

What do you know about Alex Jones Johnny?

You see, I don't have to. If there is one thread in this forum I feel fairly comfortable telling how wrong you are, it is this one. And that, what you may call "arrogance" is based on the fact that i actually lived in the now troubled zone for three years and know it's people very well. Unlike you, who never set foot into Ukraine and can't even spell Kyiv correctly. So, what do you really want from me? Do you want me to take your nonsense source articles serious? You have to do a bit better than the "whistleblower" :)

I think I have given you enough reasons to think about as to why your article is nonsense. Just think about it before you continue to make an idiot out of yourself on here.

Not to come on here and think you are going to intimidate and bully people by telling them their sources
are nonsense and that only YOU are the authority here and then challenge them to defend themselves for a start.
It doesn't impress me in the least that you lived there for three years, BIG DEAL, that was then, this is now.


Am I suppose to feel intimidated by that remark ? Where have I ever spelled Kyiv incorrectly ?
You have never set foot in the town I live in either and couldn't spell the towns name in six trys. LOL
Does that intimidate you ? I hope not as in, big f***ing deal.


They are the same ones you read every day so should I take your fadder serious ?


No, your the idiot by thinking only your local personal 'whistle blowing' is 100% accurate.
(not saying that you no doubt are more informed then I am by having friends there)
When it comes to the United States & Russian government chess games, to why and what is really going on,
do you think YOU know 100% of the truth ? Don't be an idiot.
With that said, please keep me informed with YOUR opinions about 'Kiev' (English spelling) Ukraine.

Here is another "nonsense" article about Obama joining Merkel's strategy over the Ukraine.

stripes.com/opinion/obama-joins-merkel-s-wait-for-putin-to-fall-1.327707

I am not challenging you to do anything. I am just telling you facts. How you interpret them and what you do with it is solely up to you


I am also not here to impress you. But you need to understand the history of Ukraine and particularly the people of Donetsk to fully understand the conflict. By having lived there, i do feel that I have an advantage over you, who probably never set foot into Ukraine and takes his fact from "the whistleblower"


I don't think that your town is the subject of discussion here, therefore completely irrelevant.


If i am not correct with what I am saying I am more than happy to listen to anyone who is able to have a conversation based on facts and perhaps personal experiences. An internet warrior, such as your lovely self, who quotes articles which contain lines such as -


- don't cut it for me.


Once again, it is the Russian language version of Kyiv. Ukraine has it's own language but that doesn't seem to matter to people like you. The correct English spelling is Kyiv, which reflects the Ukrainian language version. Ignorance truly must be bliss.


So, first you post an article about the U.S. "pushing for war in Europe". Now you post a link to an article about Obama holding back and joining Merkel in terms of not supplying arms. to Ukraine. Which one is it? Are they pushing for war or holding back? You are quite thickle and as you can see, the articles which you link to tell us two different stories. Normally i would assume that it would be a reason for you to start thinking about those website's agendas. But instead, you just blindly post the links of two conflicting articles which makes me wonder if you have even read them at all.

Churchill once compared Russian politics to bulldogs fighting under a carpet: you've got no idea what's going on under there, but every now and then a corpse gets hurled out.

Looks like modern US/EU politics can be described the same way....

I wouldn't pay any attention to anything he said he was a white supremacist


More here
quora.com/Was-Winston-Churchill-a-racist

What are the pros and cons of Poland providing Ukraine with arms and ammo against the Russian threat? These could be sold under the 100 million złoty loan offered Kyïv by Poland. Senior Washington figures have mulled the possibiltiy of the US providing arms to Ukraine and criticised the Merkel-Hollande peace mission as appeasing the aggressor. What is your take on that issue?

Oh horse hockey son, that is exactly what you are doing right now. Come on, quit playing dumb.


I think I already admitted that here:



No one really cares what does and does not "cut it" for you. Should all the people writing these articles on Ukraine
get YOUR permission first so they apese you ? You obviously feel that you are someone VERY special here ?


You nailed that one, I don't need your permission on how I spell anything. In fact I don't need your permission period.


I try to be open minded and present both sides of reasoning so people can decide for themselves.
I don't want to come off as a "thickle" control freak authoritarian.

:) :), are you pouting now? :)

No, they don't need my attention and can write whatever they want. Obviously as long as there are people like you buying whatever it is they write, their blogs will keep having visitors. Keep reading those blogs. They obviously meet your level

Absolutely, Churchill was a right delusional, scumbag really. Ohh how the British press like to make out that he's the greatest Brit to have ever lived.

So, what you would say about John McCain?

No, actually my mission has been accomplished now, to point out your passive - aggressive behavior.


So with YOUR permission I can keep reading them just as long as I don't share them in this thread. lol


You humbly come down off your almighty meaningless horse you are welcome to join our higher intellectual levels also.


McCain is a has been that should be pastured.

US Senator John McCain says that is USA partially responsible for Ukraine's leadership indiscriminate use of cluster bombs on the east of country.

Source: US partly to blame for Ukraine's use of cluster bombs - McCain > rt.com/news/229795-us-ukraine-cluster-bombs

This statement solely should enough for international court of justice to intervene against USA government. That, if there is international order and justice.

:) :) Your mission. Well, so far, the only thing that you have accomplished is to display that you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about in this thread. You have accomplished to post links to articles that contradict each other. You have accomplished to show every single member of this forum that as soon as you do not get what you want, which in this case is the approval of your (uneducated) opinion on the subject, you start pouting and name calling.

Well done! Mission accomplished! :)