Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

yea..but who ruled in moscow? russians?i dont follow your logic...
main responisble for holodomor was kaganovits,he orchestrated it and he overlooked it.according to Ukrainian general prosecutor investigation,they listed 139 individuals involved in this and main responsible...most ukrainians and russian jews.

as for ppl who worked in gas chambers,there were almost always jewish comandos...picked up by camp guard.eliminated after.
as for Hitler,himmler and haidrich were responsible.there is no evidence that Hitler was involved or even knew of it .of course everything had to be acknowledge and approved by him,but hitlers responsibility or direct involvement in Holocaust is only hipotetical,based on assumption.no a single document signed by him related to Holocaust.even there is document signed by him demanded to free some jewish train transport from i (if i remember corectly) austria .of course,am not saying he was not involved,i believe he was,but fact remains there are no evidence.


even The Chief of Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces of ukraine , General Viktor Muzhenko,said there are no russian troops in ukraine,,,several generals said that in the past.

google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ukraine%20general%20no%20russian%20troops%20in
i saw you been barking alot about russian troops in ukraine...how do you comment this?it looks like your knowledge comes from propaganda,or chief general doesn't know anything..maybe you should inform him about those the russians.

I have not once, in this entire thread, stated that there are regular Russian troops fighting in eastern Ukraine.

As an American this is something that I am not proud of.
America pushing for war in eastern Europe.

800whistleblower.com/u-s-pushes-for-war-in-europe-2

I would like to quote a few sentences out of your "reliable" source article:






But you have not linked to the actual article. The full article you can find here
infowars.com/u-s-pushes-for-war-in-europe

There the journalistic masterpiece continues with


A true masterpiece of journalism, researched well and perhaps a real contender for Pulitzer prize.

There are three things i find particularly striking about the article.

1. The wording. Which makes me think that this is the art work of an 8 year old

2. Federalization: You may (or may not) be aware that federalization is not even a topic of interest anymore for the separatist. They have long ago stated that they are not interested in anything but full independence from Ukraine and have already sought recognition as an independent country from places such as Abkhazia, South-Ossetia and Transnistria. Unfortunately for them, without luck so far. They even have their own currency already, using the DNR Grivna - which is basically the Ukrainian Grivna with a sticker on the notes that shows the DNR flag. They are currently in the process of trying to implement the Novorosssiya ruble. How anyone can still blame Ukraine or the west for not pushing for federalization, while the separatists are already working on their own currency, is beyond me.

3. "The Ukraine" - "The" Ukraine is not a country that exists. Ukraine has been an independent country since 1991. Since then, we refer to Ukraine solely as "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine". Some people argue that it is correct to say "the Ukraine" but it is incorrect for a very particular reason. When one refers to "the Ukraine" they would actually refer to "the Ukrainian SSR" which ceased to exist when the Soviet Union with all it's SSRs collapsed. Anyone still referring to independent Ukraine as "the Ukraine" only displays a lack of knowledge of the region or perhaps a lack of respect towards the independence of Ukraine. The same goes for "Kiev". "Kiev" is the Russian language version. The correct version in English is "Kyiv" which reflects the Ukrainian language version. Again, to use "Kiev" , as a none Russian native speaker, only shows lack of knowledge or lack of respect for Ukraine's independence or even lack of respect for Ukraine's use of it's own language.

federalization is best option i think...it would allow all parties to save face and somewhat good compromise.
east would get some degree of economical and political independence,and Ukraine would maintain territorial integrity.but after all tose war crimes committed by Ukrainian thugs,sadly this option is not available anymore.

and Ukrainian thugs in Kiev getting mad....2 new laws are being introduced:
1.to ban all Russian movies,and all Hollywood movies that portray Russians in good light.
2.to introduce criminal punishment,including executions,against deserters. NKVD style(mind you,all Ukrainian refugee in Russia are considered deserters by Kiev)
Bolshevism have risen again...

hrywna lost 40% vs dollar yesterday...something is happeneing

It might be a short term solution, a quick fix if you will but if you think ahead, it can not work. For example, what happens if Ukraine strives for EU membership and susbsequently also for membership of the Schengen zone. Where do we place the Schengen border? East of Donetsk where the current Ukrainian border runs along, or west of Donetsk? One thing that is certain is that the separatist would not agree to a Schengen border of their territory with Russia. At that point, we would face the possibility of war again.


You may want to start posting your sources or proof of the things that you claim because the Grivna is standing 1 USD : 16.80 UAH and has been around that mark for almost 2 1/2 month now.

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bloomberg.com/quote/USDUAH:CUR 24.53 hryvna for one dollar.
from reuters:Ukraine just announced today that they are suspending support for the hryvnia due to depleting foreign currency reserves, essentially putting UAH into free float.


federalization doesn't mean different foreign policy...it can be federal state but still maintain one foreign policy..USA and Russia are federal state.
just some local power and some economical semi independent zone ,thats all

bloomberg.com/quote/USDUAH:CUR

see? massive drop..from 15.8 per dollar to almost 24.3 per dollar..on 24/02..did recover to 2.5 tho

National Bank of Ukraine website has been updated now too. Not good.......

And there's the point: the people of Ukraine want to join the EU; your Russian terrorist buddies do not. So what is going to happen? Do the terrorists get to stop all of Ukraine joining the EU? Or does the country have to split in two?


Oops, yet again greggy gets caught repeating the fantasies of his masters!
Here is what greggy's heroes had to say:


rt.com/news/228043-ukraine-conflict-army-russia/

But what did the general actually say?


sputniknews.com/europe/20150129/1017514425.html

And he then went on


So, the general says "We now have proof of the engagement of servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces in this conflict", greggy's heroes claim "Muzhenko officially acknowledged during a briefing for foreign military attachées that Russian troops are not involved in the fighting in the country's southeast" and greggy promptly repeats his master's fantasy. How predictable and how pathetic.

ohh Harry...good we have internet and millions of links and video evidences of him and dozen other Ukrainian generals speaking about Russian troops mystical combat involvement..thing is,,generals are not politytians,sometimes they speak the truth,even if its not convenient.

,if we didnt have internet,some could possibly believe your lies and manipulations. contrary of you,i understand Russian and Ukrainian,you bark rubbish given to you by cnn ,bbc and other shi.t.

funny tho,it took you 2 days to respond.have you been very busy looking for links to save face,after all those lies you posted about hordes of Russian soldiers in Ukraine?

perhaps,maybe you would you please explain to me,how possibly there is not a single Russian soldier ever captured by ukraine since beginning of this conflict?

total pows captured by ukra is over 1000...13 of them are Russian nationals..that's 1.3%...not a single Russian soldier,save those few guys who got lost in woods 7 months ago.

keep barking..

more from OSCE:
General Muzhenko confirms what the OSCE has been saying for months. The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe has been stationed at 2 checkpoints on the Russian-Ukrainian border at Gukovo and Donetsk. The OSCE General Military Staff said, "There is absolutely no way you can possibly hide huge military formations on a relatively small territory wide open to reporters and OSCE representatives". They also acknowledge the bombing of civilians in SE Ukraine. Ambassador Ertugrul Apakan, the Chief Monitor of the OSCE, said 24 January, 2015, "According to the United Nations, over 5,000 people have died, more than 10,000 have been injured and about one million displaced due to the violence in eastern Ukraine."

look Harry..another one:
youtube.com/watch?v=uu8JolUBNfg

gregy, please at least try telling the truth now and again; who knows, you might even like doing it.


telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11057540/Capture-of-Russian-paratroopers-in-Ukraine-overshadows-talks-with-Russia.html

It's just too easy to expose your fantasies, gregy, too easy.


Fine, so find a video of that general saying what your Kremlin bosses claim he said.


Given the war crimes that your terrorist buddies and your heroes in the Kremlin have been committing, I'm surprised to hear you even mention the topic of POWs.

"We now have proof of the engagement of servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces in this conflict," -Harry "quoted"
and now without manipulations,the whole thing he said:

"Now, we have only the involvement of some members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, individual Russian citizens as part of illegal armed groups in the fighting. Currently, we (Ukrainian army) are not engaged in combat operations against the Russian army. We have enough forces to inflict a final (defeat)".

youtube.com/watch?v=T0x0mnrq9j4


i did mention those guys who got lost in woods few months ago ,didnt i?you one cynical lier or blind

Once again, I am not saying that there are regular Russian troops fighting in eastern Ukraine, because I simply do not have proof. However, I would not be too surprised either if there were any Russian troops.

Anyway, just because the Ukrainian army did not capture any, does not mean that there are no Russian troops fighting in Ukraine. It just means that the Ukrainian army has not been able to take any of them prisoner. Nothing more, nothing less.

Funny how your version of "the whole thing he said" somehow doesn't include the words interfax report him saying, isn't it.

Yet again you are exposed as a fantasist who is simply incapable of telling the truth.

Give it up gregy, nobody here believes a word you say any more; go find another place on the internet to spread your master's voice.


Even the head terrorist admits that regular Russian troops are fighting in eastern Ukraine; he just expects us to believe that all of those men are there for a holiday:

washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/28/russians-troops-fighting-in-ukraine-naw-just-on-vacation

how possible..statistic doesn't lie.unless you can prove that Russian soldiers are invisible and "un-capturable" for some strange reason.
after a year of heavy fighting and 1000 -ds Pows-simply impossible...


to be honest i believe Russian regulars were involved in summer,during illovansk disaster.mainly because of massive sudden military success of Novorussias army.
but you again linking me to some guy who said something as a proof..this is still not a hard evidence of anything.

We can demonstrate that they are not those things. But when they are captured, you claim that they were "lost in the woods".


So, the head terrorist saying that Russian troops are fighting in Ukraine is not proof, because there is no 'hard evidence'. But a group of Russian troops being captured in Ukraine is not hard evidence because some Russian said that it isn't. You really do need to work on the consistency of your fantasies, gregy.

I am not saying that your statistic lies. What I am saying is that simply because they have not been captured, does not mean that they are not there, in whichever capicity.


There is no such thing as a "Novorossiya" which means that there can not be a "Novorossiya Army".

you lie again...my god,good i just read your links..here what zakharchenko said from your links about Russian troops involved in Ukraine:

"Among us are fighting serving soldiers, who would rather take their vacation not on a beach but with us, among brothers, who are fighting for their freedom," said Zakharchenko in an interview posted on Vesti.ru, the Internet site of a Russian state television station

washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/28/russians-troops-fighting-in-ukraine-naw-just-on-vacation

again,you and your master Goebbels lairs and manipulators trying to make a big "story" and reveal "secrets"
again...nobody ever said that Russian soldiers are not fighting as a volunteers!!!!!! we talking about possible Russian state involved militarily,and its NOT at lea\st there is no evidence

there are swedish soldiers and French soldiers there as volunteers ....is French armed forces and france involved in Ukraine?????

quote by JollyRomek


I knew I shouldn't have given that link to you for a source. Now you are using it for YOUR glory. lol
Merkel said there is little chance to stop the Pro Russians in Ukraine.
So as of late Obama has now joined Merkel's thinking in, "waiting for Putin to fail."
Poland's 'think tank' claims Putin is suffering from Asperger's syndrome.

Any chance of a link to sources evidencing that serving Swedish soldiers and French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine? Or could that perhaps be yet another of your fantasies?

of course...actually highly decorated special forces from france.here:

youtube.com/watch?v=XWpSzfwGJ_E

I don't usually feel the need to use anything for "my glory", specially not when talking to a complete stranger over the internet. Quite sad that you even such thoughts.

All i have done is point out a few things that particularly struck me about your source article. I must admit however, I did not even finish reading it because from the very first few sentences it was pretty obvious that it was written by someone who is trying to make a name for himself as a "blogger" while blogging about topics he does not seem to know too much about.

If you interpret my attemot to point out the flaws of your source article as "glorying myself" then I guess I will just live with it :)

what for? you want to be sure? would you smile on that British crookedly, while Slavic children suffer?

ahh...Harry always run away after i squeeze him like a bug and expose his lies...he wont come back for 2 days..hes searching some links to save his face now

There are also Italian and Spanish volunteers fighting in eastern Ukraine. The separatists were not shy to display their foreign volunteers to the media.

You are to kind to him. you shouldn`t give him link.

Those are not serving French soldiers. Try again with your fantasies.

they are not only soldiers but officers,one highly decorated...they are there as a volunteers..maybe already out of service of France forces but still.

same with Russian forces in Ukraine..point was,its not Russian state sending army,but Russian military service man volunteering.
something for fun,,,BBC defining "defensive weapon"since NATO forbid sending offencing weapon to states that are at war,all you need is new definition of defensive weapon...which is an offensive weapon used in defense of country...hahahahahahahaha...:

bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31141840

"Any weapon is defensive if you're using it to defend yourself or your country," says Colin Clark,- idiots

Oops, looks like gregy forgot to check his own master's propaganda sources.
He offered us as "serving French soldiers are fighting in Ukraine" four men. One of them is called Guillaume, is Guillaume a serving French soldier?

Let's see what Guillaume has to say:


sputniknews.com/interviews/20140821/192221460/Donetsk-Self-Defense-Forces-Joined-by-French-Volunteers.html

Another one is called Nikola. Is Nikola a serving French soldier? Let's see what Russia To-lie has to say:


rt.com/news/183864-ukraine-european-volunteers-fighting

I wonder what else can be found about these men which gregy claims are serving French soldiers.