Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

a) Ossetia isn't a nation.
b) The photos still show Russian forces invading a neighbouring country.

I wonder where the Ukrainians might have got the idea of misusing photos. Perhaps it was from the Russian delegation to the OSCE showing this image to the OSCE and claiming it showed a UN-marked helicopter being used by Ukrainian forces to attack Kremlin-commanded troops:



But in reality that photo was taken in Africa when Ukrainian forces were taking part in a UN mission:

but in reality,not in your fantasy world..is there any proof that Russian delegation to the OSCE show this image to the OSCE?
or as usual you got this rubbish from "stop fake.com"?
i seen images of ukra UN chopper used and it certainly not the one you posted.more like those one..confirmed by OSCE use of UN chopper :

ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis-un-marked-combat-helicopters-used-government-offensive-against-separatists-1448490
youtube.com/watch?v=DOmLlvRxWM0

but guys...did you hear this story about poro and his irrefutable evidence of Russian army invasion? comedy gold:
so he went to Munich with fresh evidence of Russian army involvement....passports of captured Russian soldiers!!!!! someone should hgave tell him ,russian conscripts dont carry passports,since they being taken and issued with military ID.ahh read it yourself...lol..poro comedian...people around the world are laughing with this story...what an idiot

weirdrussia.com/2015/02/08/poroshenko-and-russian-passports

rt.com/op-edge/230295-poroshenko-russian-passports-propaganda

uatoday.tv/politics/poroshenko-shows-russian-passports-as-proof-of-foreign-troops-in-ukraine-407859.html

google.co.uk/search?q=poroshenko+russian+passports

You are once again taking words out of context to suit your own needs. Nothing new here. I have said that it would be cheeky for me to judge gregy's English, seeing that I am native German. There is no need to pro-long the "cheeky German" thing into the political discussion which you seem to know very little about. Otherwise you would not have to resort back to:


. You can't get any lower but i am sure that you will continue to try.........


Thanks for pointing that out @ harry. Another slip up by our expert "johnny rep" but i am sure that it will not stop him to try to enlighten us with his wisdom.

Here you go Gregg,screenshots
stopfake.org/en/russian-delegation-to-osce-presented-fake-photo-of-helicopter-with-un-markings-in-ukraine

so its from stop fake...lol

but...explain,what am looking at...where is "Russian delegation presenting anything to osce people"?do i miss something here?
i asked you for any evidence ...didnt i? what you show here?you playing dumb?

beside Harry:
"The UN has expressed concern at Kiev's use of UN-marked helicopters in their anti-terror operations against pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk"
"The UN has distanced itself from the footage below, stating that, as Ukraine is a contributor to the organisation's forces, it must remove any UN insignia when the materials are returned"

A spokesperson for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said that any use of peacekeeping equipment, bearing the name of the UN, for non-peacekeeping purposes would contravene UN rules.

"It is the responsibility of Troop Contributing Countries (TCCs) that provide Contingent Owned Equipment to peacekeeping missions to remove all logos and signage bearing the UN's name once such equipment has been repatriated to the home country or is no longer being used for official UN purposes," Ban's office said in reaction to the footage.

i guess they dont read stopfake.org

Harry first of all...
according to stopfake Russian delegation presented images on June 4th, Vienna, Austria
briefing results from meeting 4-th in Austria:
eeas.europa.eu/delegations/vienna/eu_osce/eu_statements_osce_meetings/2014/index_en.htm#panel-0801262487ca97f5

eeas.europa.eu/delegations/vienna/documents/eu_osce/forum_security_coop/2014/fsc_756_eu_on_ukraine.pdf
don't see a word about any helicopters

Gosh what do you guys not get about,"War breaks out when both sides are right" it's a quote from somewhere I forgot from where, does anyone know from where? Well anyway I don't blame Ukrainians or Russian, just something happened and Pandora's box was opened

I feel people here in this thread are too bias, it's infuriating and discourages new users from stating humble opinions

gave those stopfake crooks benefit of doubt...still cant find anything,any official statement or anyone mention of once meeting russian delegation:

there is something about "Trainings for ministries on regulatory guillotine" meeting on 4-th july .
do you think could this be about choppers with un markings?:


sure...am only appear extremely biased when speak with people like nathan or harry...
in reality i cant stand those crooks in lughansk republic government like plotnitsky as much as those in kiev.
or Kremlin Vladislav Surkov and his "job" in east Ukraine.all filth

I know, someone must play devils advocate. I used to do it for a while so threads don't end up extremely one sided by the postings of certain users with too much free time on their hands, I just can't find the time to do it anymore and if I do I get bombarded with personal insults. I just don't play their games anymore.

donetsk 24 hours after signing armistice by Kiev officials:
Kiev district in donetsk
- St. Artem, 185 / B - stop "20 mountains. Hospital" - getting to the store "Eldorado"
- St. Artem, 195 - hit a 3-staircase to the 3rd floor in the kitchen, no casualties; slaughtered gas pipe
- St. Artem 195, 195 / A - no glazing; destroyed a garage next
- St. Artem, 197 / B - broken roof
- Shelling of villages for the railway station
- St. Bashkir - 2 houses completely destroyed
- St. Eremenko - households. outbuilding completely destroyed
- St. Liberty - private house, completely destroyed

Kuibyshev district
- St. Velikonovoselkovsky, 136 - at night getting into the yard, broken fence, shrapnel struck the wall of the garage
- St. Dm. Cossack, 152 - hit near the house
- Ave. Marshal Zhukov, 13 - hit on the 4th floor in the entrance 1 (the same place where 21/10/2014 was a direct hit on the 3rd floor); around porch damaged windows, or rather what was already scored earlier

- St. Luzin - about School №41 - fire a private house on the corner
- St. Dvina - private house, destroyed the roof
- St. Denisenko, 1 - Apartment №14 - he had a splinter, broke a window and a fridge; damaged wall
- St. Czechoslovak - private house, destroyed roofs, floors
- St. Zoologicheskaya- private sector, destroyed a barn
- St. Frenzy - PC Ltd. "Kartol" one-storey warehouse. Destroyed the roof of the warehouse
- St. Yershov - 3 residential buildings (private sector) - completely destroyed
- St. Korsakov - a house destroyed completely
- Ave. The Kremlin, 29 - another hit in the roof of the house was a fire
- Ave. Kremlin - getting into the roof of the house, damaged glazing
- Ave Kremlin, №? - Hit in the 2nd entrance on the 3rd floor - getting near the shop ATB
- For the department store "Sofia" fire of the private sector
- St. Merry, 74 - getting into the territory of PJSC "Donetskelektroopttorg"
- St. Nitrogen, №? - Burn three houses
- St. Friendship, №? - Burning house

Kirov district
- St. Dagestan, 5 - getting into the territory of e / s №279 "Fairy Tale", wounded woman.
- Getting into the area of the furniture factory "Tess" by Kuprina.

PETROVSKY AREA
- St. Socialist 34, broken corner of the house, in the yard of the funnel, no casualties
Zhilploschadka
-ul. Kosarev, d. 65 you hit a playground in front of the house, a huge crater. Damaged glazing at the 1st entrance

between the first and tenth mine st. Kiselevskaya-№?. Six shells in one yard. People are alive, were in the basement.
Suffered at home in front of the house 57 on the street. Melitopol and the next house up the street. Something else supposedly burned on Levanevskogo.

-ul.Voykova 50, getting into the garden, beaten glass roof, warped door.
-ul. Voykova 35, a direct hit. burning gas pipe.
-ul. Kiselevskaya 53, a direct hit, no windows, the roof fell.
-ul. Kiselevskaya 55, hit near the house.
OSCE scum run away when confronted by angry locals in lughansk
youtube.com/watch?v=-TAmNdAUss8#t=152

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Hahahaha.......Let's show everyone how that works J.R.
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Slip up by johnny reb OR taken out of context ? Ah I do believe I posted a blog by the WashingtonBlog as you can see.

post by johnny reb


Now how was that MY slip up or is it YOU taking words out of context ? You hypocrit.......hahahaha
North Ossetia Republic, Russia (Alania) is a region (nation) like a bannana republic calling themselves a nation as the article stated, not a country as you insinuated.

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You can bet your Germ native speaking dweeb butt on that as I feel EXACTLY like Szalawa does.
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BINGO !!!!!!!
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No problem Buddy, I will take over for you.
I despise BULLIES that come on here with their INSULTS to intimidate new posters and run them off.
Remarks like,







So only YOUR overbearing opinions (posts) are imperium and everyone else should not post theirs but just sit and read YOURS because you are a native speaking Germ. How old are you Jolly ? Maybe that will enlighten us about your immaturity.

How is it your slip up? Well, ok you have taken the "nations such as Ossetia" from a blog and copy / pasted it in here. Fair enough, you did not actually write the original text but by simply copy / paste the nonsense about Ossetia being a nation, you have once again shown that you are incapable of reading, understanding and educating yourself on the subject of the discussion. You have once again blindly pasted something without using your head.

I guess I shall now be waiting for the continuation of your insults because that, apart from copy / pasting nonsense, is the only thing you have so far contributed to this discussion. You are doing well :) ;)

As if I need YOUR approval. Pffffffft !
Back on thread as jr. pouts.

Geoffrey Pyatt (U.S. abbassador to Ukraine) said that Russian units along the border were preparing a large shipment of supplies to separatist fighters.
He said that the rebels were now better armed than some Nato countries.
"The militants are destroying Debaltseve," Donetsk region police chief Vyacheslav Abroskin was quoted as saying on the censort.net website.
"The shelling of residential areas and civilian buildings continue. The city is on fire. There has been a direct hit from Grads (rockets) on the city police station."

Ukrainian Deputy Defence Minister Petro Mekhed said the rebels wanted to "raise their flag" over Debaltseve and Mariupol before the ceasefire kicked in.

Ceasefire to begin at 00:01 local time on 15 February (22:01 GMT 14 February)
The BBC's David Stern in Kiev says that as the clock ticks down to the ceasefire, fears are rising that it won't be observed.

:-) :-) please continue my dear johnny, it is quite comical :-)

Are you really so stupid that you do not read the sources you link to?
Those are not 'briefing results'. Those are, as the title of the page makes clear, "EU Statements in OSCE meetings".


Of course you don't: that is an "EU Statement on Russian Unusual Military Activities and the Situation in Ukraine". The EU did not show the OSCE a photo of a Ukrainian helicopter in Africa and claim that it is a photo of a helicopter in Ukraine; the the Russian delegation to the OSCE did that, as is shown by the links above.

ceasefire already in danger of tatters...didn't even start...Kiev said it wont accept and implement amnesty for all seps..including separatist leaders...cus they are responsible for "crimes against humanity"

and there is debalcevo cauldron problem. seps saying troops in debalcevo must surrender.any attempts of breaking through will meet with military response. ukra soldiers have one day to get out of there.

The UN has done no such thing, largely because Ukraine has not been using UN marked helicopters in Ukraine.


kyivpost.com/multimedia/video-2/ukraine-news-one-kremlin-takes-video-footage-of-un-helicopter-from-ukrainian-mission-in-congo-348285.html

me stupid? you was the one providing random image of chopper as a evidence of Russia delegation misleading OSCE.i tried to help you finding any confirmation from anyone...you should've thank me.

now hopefully in future you wont blindly trust garbage information you find in web,,and save our time reading this rubbish you post here.
again Harry,,,please provide me with any confirmation or evidence that Russia delegation show imaged you posted here to OSCE people.
i don't know,maybe they did..seems strange to me that they would use fake ones while hundreds real ones were available

Happily


stopfake.org/en/russian-delegation-to-osce-presented-fake-photo-of-helicopter-with-un-markings-in-ukraine


No, there were not hundreds, there were none, as the Kyiv Post makes crystal clear.

and how do you know that? you seen screen shot?lol
sott.net/article/279151-No-one-issued-Kiev-mandate-to-use-UN-helicopters-situation-requires-comprehensive-investigation-Russian-Deputy-FM
zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-14/why-are-ukraine-troops-using-un-helicopters-russia-foreign-minister-asks

everywhere i go same images are used as a evidence og ukra using un choppers...
first time i see the one you posted here..so i asking you if there is any proof that Russians delegation used them? since their accusation was based from media footage(RT) of em,why would they used some random image from weB.?is that too difficult to comprehend to you?


you dumb harry?
i asked for evidence or Russian delegation providing fake images,
you only proved that crooks from stopfake.org accuse them of this by shoving us some image...thats all...i

Hmm, perhaps they didn't want to use the same images at a meeting on 4 June which the Kyiv Post had already debunked on 18 May (as is shown by the date of the Kyiv Post article).


Yes, the same images which have been debunked by the Kyiv Post. But do feel free to keep believing the fantasies of your masters and posting them here, it's quite fun to watch you try to explain things such as how men in Ukraine with no military background at all are actually serving officers in the French army!

i watched Kiev news video..they didn't debunked anything..they merely stated that those images comes from Africa..
here original footage that those accusation come from...whoever was recording it ,speak Ukrainian i believe..:
liveleak.com/view?i=392_1400180364
and it definitely doesn't look like Africa


harry are you actually watch what you post here? they actually confirm that those images were from east Ukraine,merely accusing RT of patching together genuine images from liveleaks and adding some more from Africa to add legitimacy. nonetheless confirming that leveleak images are genuine come from east Ukraine.

Stop lying gregy, the Kyiv Post makes it very clear where the image of the U.N. helicopter was shot.

no they dont..maybe watch whole video before talking garbage...second ,this footage almost certainly comes from Ukraine..and Kiev post is worst propaganda tube.notheless,those images are completly different from the ones you claim Russian delegation presented...based on accusation from well known crooks such as stopfake

still,harry...dont post garbage from the web you cannot prove...lesson learned?

What if they gave a war and nobody came ?

Last week a Ukrainian court ordered the two-month detention of a journalist from western Ukraine who called for a boycott of the ongoing military draft. Ruslan Kotsaba stated that he would rather spend two to five years in prison for refusing to serve in the military than shoot at Ukrainians in what he described as a 'fratricidal war'. Prosecutors charged him with high treason, a crime carrying a 15-year term in Ukraine.

Ukrainian young men dodging conscription have been offered refuge in Russia.
How many young Ukrainian men have fled to Poland already is anyone's guess ?

for some strange reason,they prefer to seek refugee in state that is invading them ..world wide phenomena.never recorded in history.
its like hundreds of thousands of poles asking Germany to grant them refuge in 1939...hehe

So now you are saying that Russia has in fact invaded Ukraine? Another one of your mood swings? Similar to the change of opinion regarding the federalization which on the 6th of February you have said would be the best option and then on the 12th February would not work?


It is actually not that strange but I am not surprised that you deem it strange seeing that you seem to know very little about Ukraine. First of all many Ukrainians have some kind of family ties in Russia therefore a place to go to. They also don't need a visa for Russia so crossing the border to "safety" is a lot easier than trying to go to Europe.

A friend of mine, journalist from Donetsk, had to flee Donetsk in fear for her family, particularly her toddler because she was being harassed by the pro-Russia separatists for having a rather pro-Ukrainian mindset. Ironically she had to go to Russia as she has family there and she will be able to care for her child.

What you refer to as "prefer to seek refuge in a state that is invading them" is the only option most of them have and has very little to do with preferences.

Russia is the worlds largest mental assylum but it has no doctors, just nuts going around in cirles.

no...its called sarcasm..


never changed any opinion...its your absent ability to understand simple sentence,and sarcasm .
not mention...since this is ukra fanboys are claiming Russia invading them and installed terrorism in their country,so maybe they would be able to explain all this for refugee issue.


possibly 100 times more than you do...i was born and risen 50 km from ukraine border.


of course,,am sure she fled cus seps were harassing her...keep spawning bs


another option is to stay and fight,not begging state that "invaded"them for HELP...but it seem,EVEN WESTERN UKRAINIANS are not willing to fight and die . morale is low..cus they see unmoral war and repressions against civilians caused by self installed criminal corrupt junta.


huh?

no.....The situation is hilarious because DPR is using Moscow time.now they started blaming each other for braking ceasefire...that supose to start at midnight

I'm sure the Ukrainians escaping to Russia are ethnic Russian.

I think I have explained it to you. You need to start reading and understanding. It is not surprising that many Ukrainians have fled or are still fleeing to Russia. They most likely have family in Russia. Or if not, there is a good chance that there could have lived in Russia before for work and still have contacts or a place to go to. There is absolutely nothing strange about it.


Judging by how you blindly believe anything the Russian media, particularly Putin's favourite Russia TV, spits out, I guess you were born 50 kilometers east to the border of Ukraine.


Another one of your great comments. Yes, people were and are still being harassed when openly expressing a pro-Ukrainian opinion. There were two groups the separatists have and are still chasing. First the journalists and second the Shakhtar Donetsk Ultras group who until the conflict started had quite a big influence in Donetsk. Harassement included standing outside their homes in groups, putting up notices in the apartment blocks where they lived with their full names, apartment numbers, even telephone numbers (if they had them) and a few words about how they are traitors and guilty of the deaths in Odessa and of course the deaths in Donbass after the war actually started. You really need to do your research better because once again you are displaying a shocking lack of knowledge on the subject you trying to have a discussion about.

By the way, similar notices were found in apartment blocks in Kharkiv were separatists do not actually have any power. If they are doing it there also, you can imagine what they are capable of in the regions / cities were they actually hold the power.


Again, you are completely wrong and the reason is once again the fact that you do not know Ukraine at all, even though apparently you were born 50 kilometers away from it's border. The reason why some western Ukrainians are not willing to go to war is because they simply do not want to die in a war for people they see as pro-Russian anyway. There has always been a very deep division between the west and particularly the Donbass region mostly because either side did not really know the other very well. While the west, particularly the people of Lviv city and oblast have always maintained a rather distanced stand towards Russia, the people of the east maintained very close ties with their eastern neighbour. The morale is low not because of the "self installed criminal corrupt Junta", as you say, but because they do not see a reason why they should fight for people they believe would prefer to be part of Russia. Once again, and I have told you this before, you need to understand Ukraine's history, it's regions and it's people first otherwise you will never be able to understand how the conflict could have developed into what it has become.