Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Maybe the media outlets organise their schedules around you. That or there were more important things to write about than the suicide of a foreign ex politician.

Please stop work the fantasies, gregy. You posted your laughable claim at 10.39, I linked to the Agence France-Presse report one hour and eleven minutes later. You promptly doubled down on your lies by claiming about the Agence France-Presse report "the report itself is from some indian site".

"On Sunday, a procession of thousands marched to the Moscow bridge where prominent Russian opposition figure Boris Nemtsov was gunned down. Waving Russian flags and holding posters of the slain Kremlin critic, the mourners made their way through the capital streets while under the watch of a heavy police presence.

The killing of Nemtsov on Friday, said to be the most notable assassination of a Russian political figure while Vladimir Putin has been in power, is a chilling moment for the nation's politics. Though Sunday's demonstrators carried signs reading "I am not afraid," a noted fear has reportedly swept through opposition figures since the killing as accusations swirl over who is responsible.

Putin has vowed to find the assassins, while others point out that just weeks before his death, Nemtsov said he worried the Russian president would have him killed"

huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/01/nemstov-march-moscow_n_6778576.html?ir=Politics&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

One wonders when gregy is going to post about how HuffingtonPost is "some Indian site", just as he claims Agence France-Presse is "some Indian site", or perhaps when he'll claim that Nemtsov was a serving French army officer, just as he claims other men who have never served in the French army are serving French army officers.

The utter bollocks coming out of russia is so pathetic it is insulting. I mean do they actually expect us to belive any of it? I find it very insulting that they make up this vomit and think we may believe it. Lost all respect for these simpletons ages ago. Idiotic brainwashed puppets like the ones who come on here and repeat this is just the last straw. Pretending about fictional media and fictional special forces. You are no doubt mentally ill, no way in hell you would pass a psych test, get medication asap.

who are you talking too?

One would imagine that he's talking to the kind of people who do things such as claiming Agence France-Presse is "some Indian site".

How many of PolishForums readers subscribed to AFP newsfeed?

"What is Russian President Vladimir Putin's grand strategy? It may get lost in the headlines about the murder of an opposition leader just outside the Kremlin walls and the grinding horrors of the Ukraine war, but from the shores of the Black Sea here in Georgia the outlines are painfully obvious.

While the world's attention has focused on eastern Ukraine over the last year, the Kremlin has been maneuvering to take something far more valuable than the war-torn sliver of outdated industrial territory known as Donbass around Luhansk and Donetsk.

There is a reason Putin has not agreed to annex parts of eastern Ukraine. It has nothing to do with sanctions, oil or respect for any country's territorial sovereignty. Russia simply does not want to take on the long-term economic burden of the Donbass region and its people. Tearing up a country by sending in troops and weapons is far less expensive than putting one (and its broken economy) back together. Eastern Ukraine was not financially solvent (without cheap Russian fuel) to begin with. Annexation of this region, as many analysts have written, never was Putin's intention. And he could care less about the actual welfare those Ukrainian "Russians" who believe they are fighting in his name."

read on:

thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/01/putin-s-power-projection-it-s-all-about-energy-and-the-black-sea.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Always seek for answers among most powerful magnates. Its not Putin. Putin and Russia just tries to cope. We all knows who is ruler of Europe. That`s USA. There lives organizers of assassination of Boris Nemtsov. Those are most probably same people who assassinated Polish president Lech Kaczyński and many other Polish politicians at the same time.

So who, in your expert opinion, is providing weapons, ammunition and troops to the rebel governments which didn't exist before Putin decided that they would?


No such people exist. Nobody assassinated Kaczynski: he died because his plane flew into the ground after he demonstrated that he would fire and libel any pilot who put his professional knowledge above the desires of president Kaczynski.

Murder Suspect To Carry Out Murder Investigation In Russia[/url]


waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/03/02/murder-suspect-to-carry-out-murder-investigation-in-russia

Preliminary findings in to the investigation point to Boris Nemtsov's being shot four times as suicide and not suspicious at all.

THANK YOU FlaglessPole & Crow..............finally !


This where I kept trying to go in this thread Crow when I REPEATEDLY kept asking the question:
WHO was behind this coup, WHAT was their agenda for starting this conflict and WHY did it end up with the
riots in Euromaidan ?
Since some of the people here are clueless to these questions all they wanted to talk about was what happened AFTER the fact of November 30th 2013.

I am called a conspiracy theorist by people who REFUSE to see the big picture.
Crow so glad a few of you understand what the Ukraine crisis is all about besides the Euromaidan being the focal point.
How can we ever get the others to understand what this is all about when they insist on arguing about frivolous crap
like what time the news came on or to PROVE everything you say.
Hells bells Harry wants me to prove how I know there are U.S. Special Forces in the Ukraine.
If I posted what I know about that on the net there would be a knock on my door within an hour.
That will come out in due time along with WHO provoked this crisis and WHAT their purpose is for doing it.
And that's the way I see it (my opinion) and don't have to defend myself to Crazy Harry, the kid, or anyone else.

Just thought I would throw that in there before the "prove it", "your blogs suck", "you are a liar", "you have never

been there", and all the rest of their meaningless remarks for pure arguement.
FlaglessPole is the first post in this thread (that I have read) that actually gets to the ROOT of WHO, WHAT, WHY, and
WHERE this is all about from Russia's interest.
And you Crow WHO


has interest in the otherside of the crisis.
And hopefully everyone knows the WHY to that.

As it happens, you have already posted here that "It is on video that the United States has special forces already in Ukraine."

I'd observe that there most certainly wouldn't be a knock on your door within an hour for the very simple reason that mental healthcare interventions in the USA are (sadly) not that rapid; however, there is nothing (serious) wrong with your mental health: you are very simply trolling, just as you were trolling when you posted that you do not have internet access.

no way to prove anything to anyone, because many people already became aware of the global machine. See, its paradox. A trap of democratic darkness. As more people understand the game, more of them turning into zombies. That is because they becoming aware that they can`t do anything against machine. So, they rapidly losing hope and in turn willingly refuse to accept open facts, tries to cope with the demands of that same machine. Where are they, their lives, their wishes, their existence... in all that? They have to conclude that is sense of their lives in service to the machine... to trust into mass infos by their governments. In their own heads they would see themselves as terrorists if just they tries to resist to the pressure of machine. That strong is the pressure.


what you say is that Kaczynski was lunatic, idiot? am i understand you correctly? Polish president who wanted that good relations exist between Poland and Russia and, who traveled for that in Russia, was in fact very stupid man? Is that so?


That is very good question, Harry. Very, very good question. For deep thinking.

Alternatively you can simply look at which is the only nation whose army operates some of the armour, missile and other weapons which the Kremlin-commanded troops are using in Ukraine (helpful hint: it's Russia).


How surprising to find out that you know bugger all about Kaczynski (here's a hint about his real views: his own family have accuse Russia of assassinating Kaczynski to get revenge on him for his support of Georgia during the conflict in South Ossetia).

Your British sense of humor is as dry as a popcorn fart Harry. Lighten up old chap.


No Harry, how about you giving us YOUR expert opinion, for once, so we can tear you apart with ridicule.


So why are you in denial then ?

Very well said Crow.
Ask me one more time why that machine wants to disarm America like they have Europe and Australia.
People are getting a belly full of their freedoms being taken away.
The machine can no longer wag the tail of the dog since the invention of the internet.
Since then, the truth eventually comes out much sooner.
Sad to say that the Ukraine crisis may be used by the machine for the start of WW3 if nuking Iran first doesn't start it.

I am so blessed to have lived the years with freedoms that our children will NEVER see again.
The bumper sticker on my truck says: Independence Criminalized

I share the opinion of the British embassy in Kyiv:


I am denying that it is on video that the United States has special forces already in Ukraine because no such video exists. You have claim that there is such video, you need to show it to us.

simple answer...
Ukrainian army is biggest donor of weapon to separatists...amount of stuff they leave behind when running away from tractor drivers and miners is astonishing..

look at lostarmour:

lostarmour.info/spoils

Russia? Well, its ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide there on local Russians in parts of Ukraine by Nazi bandera militia. So, in some degree, Russia, yes probably. Just in some. On the other side, looks quite obvious that Russia don`t control situation there. Many strangers even among Russians. Think about possibilities for all kind of weapon smugglers.


Russia to assassinate president of foreign country because of critics because of Georgia? He, he. Good joke. That`s the good one. Really. Even Russian Tzars didn`t give a sh** for foreign critics, why would then modern Russia?

No, Harry. Forget Georgia. Let me remind you that at the same time when spoke about Georgia during session of UN GA, Kaczynski sided with Russia in case with one other, much, much more important foreign political question of international community - the question of partition of Serbia and recognition of Kosovo secession. During that session happened great diplomatic scandal when Kaczynski criticized its own government for recognition of Kosovo and opposed to decision of Polish government publicly (that under insistence of Tusk recognized Kosovo, despite Kaczynski and majority of Polish public). It was first time in history of UN that president of one country criticize its own government while holding speech during session of UN GA. Scandal was increased by the fact that at the same time Kaczynski criticized world powers who pressuring Serbia. It was like that he publicly admit that he don`t control Poland and that other forces, foreign forces control Polish government, same forces that wants partition of Serbia.

i think that by that speech during UN GA, Kaczynski in fact sacrificed himself for common Slavic cause. It was his suicide. Short after that his plane crashed, while he traveled to Russia in order to work on Polish-Russian reconciliation.

RiP to brave Lech Kaczynski

Oops! Gregy has gone off message! The line from your masters in the Kremlin is that all of the equipment being used by the Kremlin-commanded troops in Ukraine have been seized from Ukrainian forces! And of course any serving Russian soldiers are just there on their holidays.


What about the serving French army officers and serving Swedish soldiers, gregy, surely you haven't forgotten about them? Or are they also tractor drivers and miners?


Did you just accuse Ukrainians of ethnic cleansing and genocide? Seriously? You, as a Serb, have the nerve to accuse another nation of committing ethnic cleansing and genocide? You clearly have no shame at all.

Oh, and can you please just post your off-topic bollocks about Kosovo and duckboy in the bin, I'll very happily tear you to shreds there.

he was truly patriotic president of Poland. i think that he attracted Russian attention by his stance on Kosovo. Back in those days, was clear that Russia opening itself to Poland. Katyn was the convenient direct reason. Sense was even deeper.

Diplomatically speaking, he sent message to Russians - `we have differences but, we have something in common`. Yes, but, he at the same time attracted attention of the rulers of the world who sit in USA, So, he died. Died in most possible bizarre way that was available at the moment - while he traveled to Russia to reconcile.

you cant even imagine ,how i wish it was true.
quite surprisingly,its the other way around...indirectly its the Ukraine government that gets money for weapons from Russia.
didnt Russia contributed 3bn dollars through MFI to Ukraine?wonder how much of that money went to arm ukra army.seps can only dream about such money.

Majority of Ukrainians don`t support banderists. i have that impression.


Stop that Harry. Even international court declared that Serbia didn`t commit any genocide. Go check your data. Serbia was demonized by mass media of west of Europe and USA, because Serbia opposed to their dictate. That`s why they wanted to label Serbia as genocidal, while was in fact committed genocide on Serbs.

ohh..this is cute:
ukrainiancrisis.net/news/8657

Actually, no: Russia has not contributed even a single such dollar (and anyway MFI doesn't sell weapons or deal in financial transfers).


They don't need money: they get supplies of weapons which cannot be bought, for example Russia's newest machine gun is being used by the Kremlin-commanded troops:

Because there is no big picture to see. The riots in Kyiv only started because of the night of the 30th of November. There is no other reason. If the events of 30th of Novemver would not have happened, "Euromaidan" would have remained a small protest by a very small number of students which probably would have dissolved itself at some point, nothing else.

Are you really not able to understand that?

acording to wiki,even islamic state use them:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecheneg_machine_gun
you lie again hoping that people dont check bs you post here.as usual

Let me guess: they buy their weapons at the same store Putler said the little green men bought their Russian army uniforms at.

Really, gregy, go back to claiming that AFP is some Indian website and that MFI gave three billion Russian dollars to Ukraine.

Yes gregy. And the IS went into the local Hypermarket and bought them.

Use your brain, at least for once or read the whole wiki article. At the bottom it tells you where they have them from and not surprisingly the Chechen Separatists are mentioned. Now, where would the Chechen Separatists would have gotten their hands on those machine guns? Think........