Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

maybe you should use yours for once...
Harry was suggesting that appearance of this weapon in Ukraine is an evidence of Russian forces operating in Ukraine...and that is cannot be bought..

i gave an example that this weapon can be bough in black market,since even IS use them...are you not capable to understand anything here?

geeezzz.. am talking here things that 10 yeas old kid would understand..and you keep making fool of yourself.


how about hundreds Chechen volunteers who are in Ukraine? even wiki says they sell those weapons...and is available on black market..not that am fan of wiki

And Harry was right when he suggested that this weapon is not available for sale, at least not officially. Of course there are ways of getting your hands on it if you want / need it. In case of the IS, it is not surprising that their Chechen friends have provided them with these weapons. Now, with whom are the pro-RUSSIAN separatists in Donbass friends with? See the connection now?

The Ukrainian army does not use this gun. So your theory that most of the separatists arms are leftovers from the retreating Ukrainian army does not apply to this weapon. So where would they have it from? A clue, they are called pro-RUSSIA separatists.........

That would be because it is evidence either of that or of Russia supplying the Kremlin-commanded troops: that machine gun is simply not used by Ukrainian forces and so the Kremlin line that the Kremlin-commanded troops are armed with weapons taking from Ukrainian forces is shown to be untrue.


It cannot legally be bought.


Wikipedia can be edited by anybody; in this case the information was added by somebody who isn't even a registered user of wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pecheneg_machine_gun&diff=prev&oldid=635118068


No gregy, making a fool of oneself is done by posting claims such as AFP is some Indian website or that MFI gave three billion Russian dollars to Ukraine, or that serving French army officers are fighting in Ukraine.

you still dont understand anything...POINT IS: SINCE THIS WEAPON IS AVAILABLE TO BUY-OFFICIALLY OR NOT-IT IS NOT A HARD PROF OF RUSSIAN SPECIAL FORCES OPERATING!!!!!...


what do you know about Chechens in Ukraine on seps side? huh? actually those ones are khadyrowcy ,mortal enemy of jihadists and mujaheddin s ,used by Russia to clear Chechenia from foreign jihadists.

the ones on ukra side are islamic fanatics and radicals.like isa munayev and his battalion


who said that this apply to this weapon?again you "concrete facts" are nothing but trash


did kremlin claimed this particular weapon was from ukra army? link please or stop lying

I can see that you are becoming aggutated again gregy. For the sake of your health and your heart, I would suggest that you take an hour or so to calm down. It would also help you to make sense of what is being written here so you do not have to start throwing things together in a wild and confused manner.

Scrolling back to the thread, I can not see that anyone has made claims that there are Russian special forces operating in eastern Ukraine. The only thing that was mentioned is that this weapon has to be provided by someone. Seeing that it is not actually officially for sale, one has to wonder who that friendly partner of the pro-RUSSIA separatists has to be, the friendly partner who keeps supplying the weapons to them.

There was no mentioning of Russian special forces operating in Ukraine. That is something you must have misinterpreted in your obvious rage.

Says who? Apart from one random person on wikipedia? Try using google: five results (two of which are mirrors of wikipedia) and neither of the other two even close to stating that IS use the PKP 6P41.

Google for: "PKP 6P41" "islamic state"


Who said it was?
It is proof that the Kremlin line that the Kremlin-commanded troops in Ukraine are arming themselves from stocks stolen from the Ukrainian army is as true as your claim that AFP is "some Indian site".


Are you now claiming that the Kremlin is admitting arming the Kremlin-commanded troops in Ukraine?

your stupid British embassy,,didnt they?


when did i say that? you are farce,and always resort to blatant lies when have no argument


you should also put their individual serial numbers in Google to be sure you find anything.man you are funny
are polish grom launchers officially sold to seps then? lets see if you use same standards

No gregy, the British embassy did not say that those photos are proof Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine. Please stop with your fantasies.

You specifically stated here that a report from Agence France-Presse, which was clearly labelled as being from AFP, came from "some Indian site". What were you saying if not that AFP is "some Indian site".

so what is purpose of displaying them?and why did you post them here?it clearly says "further proof of russian military involvement" on the left...you lie again thinking people wont check it


cus you rapport,you posted here was from indian site,,you really some pathological individual.

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Well done gregy, it does indeed say "further proof of Russian Military involvement". So why did you claim the British embassy had said it was proof Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine?

The report I linked to here (repeatedly) about Chechetov was from Agence France-Presse, as can be seen from the way it was signed AFP. Agence France-Presse is not an Indian website: claiming that it is just makes you look like a delusional fantastist, and even more of a delusional fantastist than you usually look when ranting about Ukraine.

shocking what level of stupidity and trolling is accepted here..this thread hit its rock bottom and keep digging,thanks to some posters.

You do not understand what Crow and I were talking about do you.
Go back and re - read our posts a little slower this time and hopefully it will sink in.
You just want to talk about the Euromaiden AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN and refuse to see the bigger picture.
We understand that now.
My guess it is because your school teacher hasn't got that far yet.
Hang on, you'll get there.


No one disagrees with you on that point, however, that is not what we are talking about.
Maybe that is where you keep getting confused.
The Big Picture is what we are talking about, not just one incident.
Do you still not get that ? (sigh)

Shocking level of stupidity and trolling? Well, I certainly don't recall seeing this week anything more stupid than somebody looking at the words "further proof of Russian Military involvement" and insisting that they say "proof Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine". And I don't remember seeing anything last week more stupid than somebody claiming that a report from Agence France-Presse came from "some Indian site". Although with that said I can't recall seeing much more textbook examples of trolling than somebody posting on an internet forum to claim he had no internet access.

i saw utter stupidity myself..one guy linked report to zeezee indian.com claiming its an example of rapport from major western media

Johnny_reb, please, either be precise about "what you are talking about" or simply leave it.

What bigger picture are you talking about? You are saying that the Euromaidan, the riots in Kyiv etc. was all "planned out long before". If you would have the slightest clue about the events of Euromaidan, then you would know that it is simply not logical. If this was all planned out by the west, then you have to explain Yanukovich's decisions. The decision he has made that ultimately led to his ousting.

What you are implying, by saying that it was all planned, is that Yanukovich made those decisions as part of that plan. Basically you are saying that he agreed to make those decisions in order to live a life in exile in Russia as a reward. That, my dear Johnny_reb, can only make sense to conspiracy theorists like you.

Sorry to break this to you gregy, but no matter how many times you insist it is, a report from Agence France-Presse will never be a report from an Indian website. The clue really is in the name: Agence France-Presse. Perhaps you're smart enough to guess which country Agence France-Presse is actually from?

Although, given the way you can look at the words "further proof of Russian Military involvement" and insist that they say "proof Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine" and you can look at French men who have never served in the French army and insist that they are serving French army officers, perhaps you aren't smart enough to guess where Agence France-Presse is from.

I have many times and now understand why you can't get it.
You are camped on the Euromaiden and stuck there.
We understand now what your problem is not being able to comprehend the full matter.
I suggest you just simply leave it.

No one except international media, here is the rabidly pro kiev Guardian.
theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/ukraine-protesters-yanukovych-aborts-eu-deal-russia

Date 24 November 2013.


And


Wiki has an image dated 29 November 2013. The black and red flags are not Anarcho-syndicalist, they are from the neo nazi Right sector.



Several commentators have tried to claim that there were no nazi thugs present on Maiden before 30 November and that there was no trouble, that is not true. Only an investigation can establish the facts.

Still seeing neo-Nazis everywhere you look, eh Barney? That would be a worrying sign in most people.

Harry, its obvious that west of Europe and USA encouraging Nazi movements all over the Europe (especially in Slavic countries). This fact even isn`t for discussion. game is exposed.

What and where is the final extent of the game is hard to tell right now but, its not hard to figure out that one of the main reasons must be creation of the maneuverable space for more conflicts in Europe. Why conflicts? For economic reasons, as always. Plus, for long term strategic reasons. Then, if (when) something goes wrong, west of Europe and USA would just shift their policy and declare that Nazi regimes dealt damage to Europe (to countries), not the policy of Britain, Germany, France and USA. That way, they would keep their hands clean, while would Nazi regimes take the historical blame. Just, in the meanwhile, borders would change, populations would be reduced, Slavs would be reduced (Russia and Russians included), magnates would profit on war, etc, etc.

But, game is exposed. Obviously. What would now happen when is game exposed, is question for itself.

Good night, people.

Yes..........and what happened after that day? Nothing! The protest went back to what it was, a student protest, nothing else. Somehow you seem to forget that in your post. The biggest rally before the 30th was in fact the one of the 24th but if you compare numbers of participants on that day with the numbers of the following day you will see that it was an exception. Between 24th and 30th, people stayed at home and the protest was nothing but a small student protest. Unlike after the 30th of November when protesters went onto the streets again in masses but this time they remained there. Now what might be the reason for that change?

Jolly you said there was no need to have an investigation as the facts were known; these facts turn out to be wrong or at best open to interpretation. your timeline has been shown to be skewed.

The key date for you is the 30th November however there was violence directed against the police before that date which is far from irrelevant. As said previously any democratic state would have an enquiry into the events yet you think Ukraine should be excused normal democratic practices.

Why would the new regime try to sabotage the investigation they set up its in their interests to prove what they claim?

No, i do not think that Ukraine should be excused of democratic practices. But, for some reason, it does not seem to occur to you that at the time, Ukraine was not a democracy anymore. Yanukovich himself has done everything he possibly can to dismantle democracy completely so that democratic practices or "due process" was simply not applicable anymore. Are you incapable of understanding this?

Your point is irrelevant, any enquiry would be established after the removal of the president and would give Ukraine a chance to demonstrate its democratic intent, that has not happened.

Its good to see that you now accept there should be an open and transparant investigation into all the events.

Well, I am sure that even you can understand that the country is currently busy dealing with a war on it's own turf and has been doing so since April last year. Before that, the country found itself invaded by "green little men" in Crimea. Now, what do you think is their priority?

i see them everywhere in Ukraine...in government ,war criminals from over 50+ nazi ukra battalions,,committing atrocities everyday.

Tomasz Maciejczuk,corespondent from foundation "open dialog" and correspondent from Ukraine :
Oskar Dirlewanger group among Aidar battalion:
Oskar_Dirlewanger closely linked to some of the worst crimes of the 2 world war,including rape of Warsaw,another hero for Ukrainians:

kresy.pl/wydarzenia,spoleczenstwo?zobacz/dirlewangerowcy-w-batalionie-ajdar-relacja-polskiego-wolontariusza

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger

ww2today.com/5-august-1944-nazis-use-ukrainians-to-massacre-civi lians-in-warsaw


can you back up you idiotic claim that India is located in western world?and that zee zee india.com is major western media?we still waiting

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Yes, but you fail to notice that a disproportionate number of them are fighting on the Kremlin-commanded side. For example, two of the Frenchmen which you claimed to be serving French army officers are in reality not serving in the French army and have never been French officers but one of them was thrown out of the French army for having unsavory neo-Nazi habits and the other is well known in French neo-Nazi circles. And that's before we get onto the likes of self-appointed 'People's Governor' of the Donetsk People's Republic and proud member of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity paramilitary group, Pavel Gubarev.

did you het those information from major western media,like zee zee india.com and quatar penisula.com?


i heard poroshenko saw putins head in Kremlin window,and him holding sniper rifle..also Putin passport was found om crime scene...i dunno if i should believe him.

heard this passport will soon be displayed to media by poroshenko


could you please provide us with an evidence that India geographically relocated to western europe recently?something that you claimed,which is obvious idiocy

At no time have I claimed that India is in the western world, please don't lie about me ever stating that it was.

The sequence of events was that you claimed here "not a word in western media about Mikhail Chechetov death today" and here "where was his death reported?still waiting."

I responded here, stating "Who reported his death? AFP for a start" and giving a link to the AFP report.
You then claimed here that it was "local indian news".
I pointed out here that "The text comes from AFP, gregy, that's why we can see the letters AFP at the end of the article."

You decided to double down on your lies by claiming here "the report itself is from some indian site".
And then you decided to again repeat your lie here, claiming "cus you rapport,you posted here was from indian site"
And then again here, claiming "one guy linked report to zeezee indian.com claiming its an example of rapport from major western media"

So, gregy, the question is why do you keep claiming that Agence France-Presse is an Indian website? Can even you be so stupid that you think you can get away with claiming that Agence France-Presse is an Indian website?

Please do not post excessive links to fragments of posts

after request i made to provide an example of "major western media"coverage of chcechenov death...you posted links with zeezeeindia.com and quatarpeinsula.com claiming those are major western media..

can you now back up you idiotic claim that zee zee india and quatar penisula are "major western media" and you idiotic claim that india and quatar are located in western world? please



can you provide us with evidence that zeeindia is major western media?


this is WHAT YOU CLAIM!!!!!!!!!":


ppl here think that Indian site become major western media once they buy information from western agency...lol
no Harry....buying information from afp doesn't not relocate india into france,and doesn't make zeeindia major western media