USA News and Poland - Part 2

I'd rather a bullet go thru me than being chopped with an ax or stuck with a pitch fork.

Isnt it funny how all the snowflakes and the msm quickly switched to racism and white supremacy headlines right after the failure of the Mueller report and hearings.

The NYT had to change their headlines because the Dem Presidential candidates and Twitter didn't like the original factual headline, so they changed it to fit their narrative. More proof that the msm is total Fake NEWs!

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I think it could be a workable compromise, especially if backed up with stronger background checks. The right to carry a gun would be enshrined in law, so there's something for people who want to carry a gun, but then there's also a ban on assault weapons to please those that want gun control.

The current laws seem like a mess, especially the way that the laws are left to individual states. I was reading an article by one gun enthusiast that's also a trucker, and he explained how difficult it is to keep track of just where you can and can't go with your gun. A blanket "all states with a single licence" law makes so much more sense, and it would at least mean that each side gains and loses something.

Guns are part of American culture, so why not find a reasonable compromise?

How is it relevant here?
So, let me try again...What is the solution to the gun problem in the US?
Did everybody turn stupid here or is my question too complex to figure out its meaning?

Probably the same solution that works in Russia - ordinary people can not freely roam around Moscow or Perm with assault weapons.

I guess, every damn genius here did turn stupid and is unable to put together half a dozen bullet points that would make the Euros happy about America and its gun violence.

Funny to see what happens when you ask for specifics. Clearly, spouting vague bs and voicing general "how-awful" condemnations of the American violence is so much easier - almost effortless.

It doesn't need 6 bullet points - only 2

- ban guns
- ban selling ammo

Every other rich country understands it

We also banned murder and rape so your idea may actually work.
The real bummer is the Constitution. It would take 38 states to abolish the 2nd. Or we can bribe or threaten the USSC justices into declaring the US Constitution unconstitutional.

And, after all that, we still have 300,000,000 guns out there, which would be worth their weight in gold after the ban, with more smuggled just as effectively as the Mexicans smuggle drugs and themselves.

So, any other ideas?

Is that why UK still managed to exceed NYC in murders recently? Is that why muzzies were able to mow down a hundred people with aks? Is that why despite Russians having a ban on guns you can pick up all sorts of weapons if you have a good relationship with some chechens?

Us doesn't allow everyone to own a gun. You have to get an fbi background check before you buy one that's quite similar to Polands. Concealed carry requires additional certification and automatics are ridiculously regulated by the ATF. The only way you can get a gun without a background check is if you buy a gun from a private individual of the same state that cares more about selling his gun than checking your id and even then you're supposed to fill out paperwork stating you're allowed to own a firearm.

Not that any of it matters. The vast majority of shootings are by people who illegally acquired their guns. That's what the gun grabbers will never mention. Stricter gun laws won't change a thing except drive up gun companies' shares

The Liberals do not want to know the truth, they just want to Hate Trump.
If they wanted to know the truth obama and Crooked Hillary would be in prison.


Not true delph, most gun shops have detailed maps showing what States allow CWP's and which ones don't.
You can even google it.
In fact you are given a map of the U.S. when you get your carry license that shows you.
I know I can drive from Florida north to Michigan going through Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio to the Michigan border with Canada completely legal.


It already is delph, google all the restrictions there are from being able to posses a gun of any kind starting with domestic violence to rape to an assaultive felony which says you are not allowed to be in the possession of a gun of any kind.

You really should listen instead of trying to talk when it comes to the gun laws in the U.S.

A.Not with guns.
B.Please compare to your home city, why pick on NYC? LOL!


Yeah, but lunatics are allowed to buy guns...... you couldn't make this s××t up!!

Usa is the only developed economy that has allowed gun ownership in this manner.
So much for that great "American Constitution" and that wonderful "Second Amendment".
It's all screwed...... the whole world can see and understand that.
Americans are getting close to understanding that too.
And when you do, my next visit to your otherwise beautiful country, may stretch beyond just Boston and New England.

1. So, what are you proposing?
2. Can you post a link to the UK constitution?

You know full well that ours is not written down.
But judging on the huge success of yours, you can be sure that The UK will not be following your terrible example.

Exactly. For the gun nuts, their guns are more important than people dying, that is apparent by the fact that these shootings are now a regular occurrence, and still nothing is done. Instead of doing something that actually might make a difference, just carry on lighting candles and saying prayers. I'm sure that's a huge comfort to the relatives of those gunned down.

What do you do about the ones knifed and run over by the trucks/vans in Europe?No flowers or candle light vigils?

Another "let's do something" genius on display. Only the persons not capable of shame or sleazy demagogue politicians use "something" without naming what "something" is.


You mean that you don't have one? Yet, still full of advice or, at least, criticism of the US? So, let me get it straight: you didn't create a muzzle to contain your government. Is that correct? Which means, your rules can do with you or to you as they please. What a model!

That aside, what are you proposing WE do?

A) nyc and Londonistan have the same populations
B) it doesn't matter what us city - the fact that Londonistan's body count rivals that of major us cities without even guns shows that gun laws don't make much differenc


Yes just as in most countries. If you meet the requirements you can buy a gun regardless of mental health as going to a shrink before buying a gun isn't required.


Unlike the United Kaliphate, the Jewnited Snakes of America atleast has freedom of speech, freedom of press, ability to defend themselves, etc.

Meanwhile the eu has wacky laws where if you kill a burglar invading your house it'll be you that gets in trouble.


Kind of like paki rape squads and stabbing in United Kaliphate, no go zones all over w Europe, etc., Rape all over Germany and Sweden, etc.

Again I don't know how many times I can reiterate this. The vast majority of shootings are committed by people who illegally acquired their guns. Legal owners account for a fraction of shootings in the usa.

And fyi the Dayton shooter was a leftist who supported stricter gun laws.

Spot on Pam...... I am really warming to you..... no, that is not a JR come on!! LOL!!!!!


I love The USA, I just think the gun nuts have now become a serious and outdated problem.


No, in most civilised countries we do not allow lunatics to buy guns legally.

...and we don't have to retreat. Holy sh*t! I wonder if in UK, if the perp gets hurt, you have to offer him a band aid and a glass of cold water.

Milo just admitted that these "subjects" don't have a constitution, but, to compensate for it, plenty of advice for us. And no shame...

Not that I didn't know it, but it was good to hear a confession.

Milo, what the f*ck is a "lunatic"? Have you lost your ability to use English and that's the best you can do? A lunatic?

And exactly how do you know a person is a lunatic? Who determines that? Not every "civilized" country requires a mental health check before a gun is purchased. Rather like in the us If soneone has been to a mental hospital or has a formal record of mental problems they won't be sold a gun either.

If you're going to comment on us gun laws atleast know what they are or ask someone


Again, it's not "gun nuts" who have dozens of legally acquired firearms that are driving the murder rate, it's mostly blacks and to a lesser extent Hispanics with illegally acquired guns.

Most civilised countries don't allow anyone to purchase a gun unless they go through EXTREMELY stringent checks.
Sadly lacking in The USA.

My personal feeling is to ban all guns, but given that is never going to happen, a start would be to ban all assualt type weapons, rifles etc. WTF does the average American need those type of guns for?

All I hear is what 'freedoms' you guys have, yet y'all have to arm yourselves to the teeth to feel safe. Crazy.
I'm not that sure that stringent background checks would work either. I can't remember which particular mass shooting it was in the US, but the perpetrator had access to family owned guns, of which there were 13!! Plus, if someone is intent on going on a killing spree, it would be easy to acquire an illegal gun, given that there are so many in circulation.

So what's your answer Rich? Let things go on as they are so Americans can end up burying ever more family members? I genuinely would like to hear your suggestions.


30,000 gun homicides a year according to FBI figures. They can't all be by people who illegally acquired their guns.


You've probably forgotten, but you used to refer to me as the voice of reason when you first came to PF. Lol.

I had forgotten but my mind was then polluted by other peoples opinion of you..... I now realise that I need to trust my own instincts more and ignore

the biased people on here with old scores to settle.
You are a good woman!

As I posted before, start with the fact that there are 300,000,000 hand guns out there already. That Genie is not going back without turning the US into North Korea. Ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Of that number, the AR-15-style rifles are a tiny percentage and used to murder even less. Making them illegal to produce and own is lipstick on a pig. Still a big smelly pig.

How about this:

1. Look at Israel and see how they protect their schools and other public buildings. What they have works.
2. Tell the US liberals to STFU and not oppose stop-and-frisk. It worked well in NY before.
3. Increase penalties for carrying without a license to the level where they are a deterrent.
4. Concentrate police in the black districts where the murders take place.
5. Restore effective death penalty for murder, premeditated or random.
6. Suspend the 1st Amendment to the extent that the press cannot give undue publicity to the killer and, thus, create me-too morons in search of fame.

7. Pass the universal concealed carry law at the federal level to prevent the mosaic of madness at the state level.
8. Require period training and re-testing of the fed CC permits.
9. Provide effective death penalty for drug smugglers and street dealers.
10. Watch leftists' heads explode after my plan is made public.

Did I miss anything?

By the way, it really works.

I would say that law, limiting news agencies in realtime coverage of such events, is also necessary. Good idea is to make it illegal to publish ANY news from the scene that is delayed less than 10-15 minutes. Otherwise TV and radio broadcasts may be used by bad guys as "intelligence source" (just like it was during Dubrovka event in Moscow).

Best thing is a total ban for news about all such shooters. Flesh is burned, name is forgotten and no any fame for ever.

And you can verify that statement with what sources with you being a Brit ?


There already is a ban on assault (spelled assault) weapons in the U.S.
Bingo ! a start to disarm America by one freedom at a time.
Just keep chipping away a little here and a little there.
No thanks, we have already lost enough of our freedoms like having God taken out of our schools.
We didn't have all these mass shootings when we had God in our schools.
Oh and AGAIN a semi auto AR-15 IS NOT an assault weapon Pam so quit your propaganda by spinning the truth into a lie.

Do you even know what the process is in the USA?

And AGAIN for the 3RD time now - how strict or not the background checks are DOESNT MATTER because most of the shootings are done by guns acquired ILLEGALLY meaning with NO CHECK

I'll give you a perfect example - Chicago, murder capital of the USA, had even more murders and a higher rate back in the 90s. Back then, guns were all but totally banned. There was no such thing as concealed carry back then. Do you think that mattered to the people who acquired guns illegally and were the ones driving the murder rate, and still are?


Not all, but certainly the majority. A person with a legal handgun won't murder someone because they know it'll be traced right back to their gun, unless of course they're planning on not living through it or don't care if they get arrested.

[quote=Chemikiem]My personal feeling is to ban all guns, but given that is never going to happen, a start would be to ban all assault

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]And you think that's going to change anything? Countries like Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, etc. have even stricter laws than Poland when it comes to gun ownership yet they top the world list for gun crime. On the other hand, guns can be easily acquired in places like Czech Republic and Switzerland yet they have very few shootings.

The laws won't change anything. It's a societal issue not a legislative one.

That is cuz they have no knowledge of fire arms just what they read in news.I personally know so many people who have a arson of weapons and are very responsible.

In fact JR we have a common pal who owns more then 100 fire arms from my state is in his early 30s and very responsible.All these shootings are actually highlighted,stabbings and crushings in Europe are not that reported until you check the data.Europens mostly have not even seen forget held a fire arm in there life they think its some kinda contageous thing.In Poland when I go to the range some poles will not even touch it and kinda stay away from it. Funny how they react.

Exactly Cargo.
You have Milo making statements like this and yet he has not a clue what our back ground checks even consist of.


What is it lacking Milio ?
What would you like to add to it Milo to make it more stringent ?
Then you have Pam and the Snitch that want to 'compromise' by keeping one but giving up the other.
In short we take away this right today and we will get the other one tomorrow.
Then there are the people that keep calling these weapons "assault" rifles when they are not an assault rifle.
So in essence they have no idea what they are even talking about.
They base there input on what they hear and see on CNN and the fake news channels.
Sure these shootings are horrible but no worse then yanking thousands of babies out of their mothers womb and breaking its neck to abort it.

CNN does put hat on the news though.
And last but not least, "Why the hell are the Eurps so concerned about America's guns" ?
Jealous that they can't own one to protect themselves and have a weapon to shoot their old dying dog instead of hanging it.

Why is it that for a well-working brain I have to go all the way to Russia?
BTW, I would be really curious what you think about that Warsaw Uprising thread. My position clearly was not greeted here with much enthusiasm.