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USA News and Poland - Part 2



Rich Mazur
1 Sep 2019  #931

But then, Trump ignored ceremony.

He is busy counting his days in the White House. Or got an email from his boss, Putin, not to attend.
To my American friends: No, I didn't lose my mind. Just yanking the enemy's chain.

Crow
1 Sep 2019  #932

Then, if Putin controls Trump, he also controls Pope. I mean, then no limit to Putin`s power. Maybe even Xi works for Putin. And Merkel, and Boris, and Micron.

Rich Mazur
1 Sep 2019  #933

You should have sent this to the Mueller's dogs before they were done.

Another bit of news that should make Americans go for the pitch forks, but it won't since watching sports is so much more fun...

From AP: apnews.com/0e48bb1047eb427d9ef91ba8cd39b2df

Trial set for Guatemalan man charged with killing 3 in Iowa

Normally, if the piece of garbage killed three open-borders Democrats, I would open a bottle and celebrate. Unfortunately, the dead are an Iowa woman and her two kids.

My big problem with such cases is that there are no other defendants next to the perp. Like the US Congress and the presidents who could have at least made an effort to prevent it, but did nothing.

In fact, they do everything to bring more of that kind of human excrement into the country while the US army is happily busy with bullsh*it at the DMZ and everywhere else except here.

Joker
1 Sep 2019  #934

Just yanking the enemy's chain.

Hey, did you hear about Dave Chappelle`s new stand up on Netflix, the one the Lib Dems want to boycott? ( like everything else) Its frigging hilarious, some of it is on TY

This is the the Jussie Smolett clip...LOLOLOLOL!!

youtu.be/wZXoErL2124

Rich Mazur
1 Sep 2019  #935

Thanks, Joker, I needed a laugh and sure got it.

While I am at my keyboard, memo to all: Stop being nasty a$$holes to other posters! There is nothing at stake here - duh! - and don't pretend that you will change anything by posting. We post for the same reason why we say things out loud - because we love attention and the sound of our voice. That's it.

Or, at least, create a spreadsheet with names to show who hates whom. This would serve well as an initiation guide for the new subscribers. They could refer to it right after they read the forum rules to feel at home faster.

Miloslaw
1 Sep 2019  #936

Hey, did you hear about Dave Chappelle`s new stand up on Netflix

Chappelle is great!

johnny reb
2 Sep 2019  #937

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rebuked Boston's "Straight Pride" parade and its apparent lack of female participants, calling it "a 'I-Struggle-With-Masculinity' parade."
Glad she realizes that the hedro men in this country will not be voting for her.
"For men who are allegedly so 'proud' of being straight, they seem to show real incompetence at attracting women to their event," said the Brick with lipstick.

(Her idea of women are the neo feminists, lesbo's and the tranny's)
I personally got a kick out of the posters the men were carrying that read "Straight Lives Matter," "Make normalcy normal again" and "Take back the rainbow." lmao

Cortez claimed, "It has become increasingly clear that the Straight Pride Parade is organized by a group of white supremacists and is an attempt to bait the Boston LGBTQ community."

Oh really, what do you think the alphabet soup does when they troll the media daily. lol
In short, the Dems want special privileges but when the other side uses the same exact tactics the Snowflakes cry foul.

Lenka
2 Sep 2019  #938

Wow, truly hilarious. Poor white man. Buahaha

"a 'I-Struggle-With-Masculinity' parade."
Perfect name it seems :)

johnny reb
2 Sep 2019  #939

The Queers, Soy Boys, Feminists, Trannies and Lesbo's are the ones with the struggle with masculinity Silly Girl.
(There is no doubt in my mind that you would vote for the barmaid.)
I think you are just trolling to get things going by making such a stupid statement.
What would you expect the Brick with lipstick to say to her voting base that are all the alphabet soup.

Lenka
2 Sep 2019  #940

You started the topic. I just say what I think about it. I said some time ago that I find the idea extremely funny.
And I've heard the opposing demonstration was bigger?

Generally I'm of the opinion to let them make fools out of themselves and parade in peace

johnny reb
2 Sep 2019  #941

I just say what I think about it.

Yes you were and I apologize for being so sensitive by jumping on your reply.
The media today has found it quite funny also.

Miloslaw
2 Sep 2019  #942

"For men who are allegedly so 'proud' of being straight,

This is what kills me on both sides.
How can you be "proud" of your sexuality?
What the feck did you do to achieve that sexuality?
Nothing.
So why are you proud?

Rich Mazur
2 Sep 2019  #943

This is what kills me on both sides.

There are no "both sides". You are allowed be proud only if you are gay or black. If both, you will be an untouchable celebrity.

Proud straight and white - you are a disgusting human being and a waste of oxygen.

johnny reb
3 Sep 2019  #944

Proud straight and white - you are a disgusting human being

Another name for them when they get disgustingly proud is "Educated White Trash".

Lyzko
5 Sep 2019  #945

Aka I. W. M. C. . (Ignored White Middle Class), who have been marginalized within our society now for some forty years and counting.

johnny reb
5 Sep 2019  #946

Back when I studied the Holocaust in high school, I remember thinking, "how did Hitler get over 6 millions jews to follow along blindly without fighting back ?"

Then I realized, I'm watching my fellow Americans taking the same path.

Lyzko
5 Sep 2019  #947

Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto resisted on a daily basis, with their lives, smuggling guns, doing what needed to be done to defeat the scourge of Hitler.

The "passivity" to which you are referring is doubtless to either the poorest of shtettls or the mass of German Jewry who rightly couldn't conceive of the idea of extermination.

johnny reb
6 Sep 2019  #948

Like I said, I am watching my fellow Americans taking the same path.
Answer me this Mark, "If a million Russians came across our border illegally to vote for Trump......would that be o.k. ?"

Bratwurst Boy
6 Sep 2019  #949

"how did Hitler get over 6 millions jews to follow along blindly without fighting back ?"

I always wondered about that too....

Was it the inner splits? I mean there was no love lost between the rather fundamental, religious Jews in the eastern european shtetls and for example the quite liberal, educated german Jews...

Was it the lack of a political center which could order or decide about a resistance for all of them?

Or was it the adaption/resignation to many centuries of prosecution? And what part played the promise of a better life in heaven if they suffered enough in real life?

But nothing of this fits the current USians, or does it?

Lyzko
6 Sep 2019  #950

The truth of the matter is, as I'd previously explained, that the better educated German-speaking Jews, the so-called "Mandarins" or upper classes born and raised in German culture, could never even fathom such a thing as the Shoah. Most, it seemed, were caught way off guard, were told by fellow German Jews that they were being alarmist and that a figure like Hitler was merely a passing phase. It was those who misunderstood Germany's history big time!

Plenty of us here today still can't fathom such abject all or nothing cruelty meted out against a particular people simply because of where their ancestors came from.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Sep 2019  #951

...German-speaking Jews, the so-called "Mandarins"

I never heard them called that before....

Could it be that their proven unwillingness to fight back during centuries of cruel opression made them the ideal scapegoat?

johnny reb
6 Sep 2019  #952

Plenty of us today still can't fathom such abject all or nothing cruelty against a particular people simply because of where their ancestors came from.

Especially us with Polish ancestry.

johnny reb
7 Sep 2019  #953

Trump solves trade deal with China.
After months of growing trade Tensions between the US and China leading to an impending global recession, along with mounting strife in China's Hong Kong province prompting dissidents to wave American flags, US President Donald Trump has negotiated quite possibly the biggest deal of his life.

Lyzko
7 Sep 2019  #954

Germany's Jews honestly believed in the power of the Enlightenment to overcome Christian prejudices vis-à-vis Jews in their midst!
No small wonder that modern Reform and Conservative Judaism were born in post-Enlightenment Europe, seen as an "escape route'
from the stultifying shtetl life which remained for many an embarrassing backwater of arrested development, anti-democratic and too mired in the past.

As such, the Jews of Germany during those years around roughly 1810 on up through the end of the Industrial Age throughout the Continent,
approximately the dawn of the 20th century, imagined themselves rightly so to be the inheritors of a modern, far-seeing, above all, democratic Europe which accepted them as European nationals who merely happened to be of the Jewish faith and nothing more. Germany remained the best of all possible worlds, to quote Dr. Pangloss, himself a sort of Kantian caricature drawn no doubt from Voltaire's anti-German bias:-)

The eternal tragedy of course was that all this, valiant service in WWI notwithstanding, meant practically nill to Hitler and his fanatic minions.
Should the Jews of Germany really have been blamed for their unbelieving that their own homeland, indeed, their "deutsches Vaterland" would seemingly inexplicable turn on them with such horrific speed and fury??

In the end, it wasn't the Nazis who murdered Germany's Jews, rather their painful naivete!

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2019  #955

Should the Jews of Germany really have been blamed for their unbelieving that their own homeland...?

The Jews weren't alone in their "unbelieving"...it was unimaginable before. They aren't to be blamed at all! I would never think that way.

But that isn't an answer...

I recall my horror at watching "Babi Jar". Beside the atrocity it was hard to watch so many Jews, men, women children walking quietly to what they must have known, cruel deaths. THEY KNEW!!! Many cried, many were murmuring religious texts...Thousands were led in long columns by only a handful soldiers, with a few guns between them to the pits.

Not once anybody tried to break out...even if some would have been shot, the rest could have made a dash for freedom...the numbers had been overwhelmingly in their favour.

But...they just walked on...even as they could see the already murdered in these pits...they only did what was asked of them and stripped down and walked further crying but still obedient to the places the soldiers showed them...waiting to be murdered. And that had been ukrainian Jews, not some naive german Jews...

It was so awful to watch!

Did you never ask yourself what made them so compliant?

Rich Mazur
7 Sep 2019  #956

Nobody wants to be the first to die.

Lyzko
7 Sep 2019  #957

For the last time, Jews throughout the Reich were anything but compliant!! Only the German Jews seemed to offer little resistance, again, more out of a permanent state of shock and disbelief, than out of apathy, I'd assume.

@Rich,
It's more complicated than that. In addition, as they would have been the first to die anyhow, I don't quite grasp your point.

johnny reb
9 Sep 2019  #958

An assumption is the same as a mere opinion.
Now let's talk about the Christians being persecuted for a change of venue.
Anti sematic has been worn out here.
More Christians have been put to death throughout history than jews by far.
In fact here in 2019 Christians are being persecuted at a higher rate than any other time in history.
Lets focus on anti Christianity for a change instead of camping on the poor jewish episode.
When are the Christians going to get some relief and reparations for what has been to them and their ancestors ?????

Tacitus
9 Sep 2019  #959

It was those who misunderstood Germany's history big time!

More like they misunderstood how profoundly the political leadership and landscape had changed after 1933. Many leading political figures (e.g. Wilhelm II.; Hindenburg) had been raging antisemites, but not with the murderous intentions of Hitler. Jews faced numerous prejudices before 1933, especially those who wanted to belong to the societal elite, or at the university. The niece of Albert Einstein was told by her professor that "It was not to her advantage that her name was Einstein!" in 1928.

So naturally some restrictions initially did not bother them too much. They saw it as the new political leadership paying lip-service to their voters, like the fascists in Italy who introduced initially similar laws, but without murderous intentions. They miscalculated mostly because of Hitler. Most historians believe that while Germany might have become a dictatorship under a different leader, and sought a war against Poland (the Reichswehr made plans for this before 1933), it was Hitler who brought a murderous antisemitism to the equation. Again many others were antisemitc too, but few had the desire to bring them to their horrible conclusion.

Another point to consider is that for many German Jews, their jewish identity was non-existent. I am currently writing about the old widow of a highly respected professor, who was jewish by birth, but became catholic during childhood. She was invited to the most respected academic gatherings, and never considered herself jewish. She was warned by her son after 1936 to leave Germany, but she declined because she believed herself save. She ended up getting deported to Auschwitz and was murdered there.

Did you never ask yourself what made them so compliant?

Human psychology. You have this with many massacres during history, where relatively few culprits killed a large number of victims. Nobody wants to be the first to die, so they wait and hope for a miracle. They think that they can't be killed, that something or someone will intervene.

The Nazis were well aware of the potential danger caused e.g. by a large number of KZ inmates, which is why they took many steps to undermine inmate solidarity.

Rich Mazur
9 Sep 2019  #960

When are the Christians going to get some relief and reparations for what has been to them and their ancestors ?????

Never. Because, today, whites are weak, guilt-ridden, intimidate-able, spineless weasels controlled by their domineering women who cannot say no anyone except to their husbands.
Also, white Christians are seen as the base that is powerful enough not to ever need protection of any kind. This is why, by that definition, blacks and other minorities cannot ever be racists since they are not able to control and inflict. At least, this is how that perverted logic goes.


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