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Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1111

I never had a pre-existing condition while employed so I don't know if it ever would be an issue when simply changing jobs. Just asking.

johnny reb
23 Sep 2019  #1112

So, why is the US army in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia?

Are you a moron, better to kill them there then here.

to make it easy for them to be here.

Give me a pocketful of cash and put me in any country in the world and see if you could stop me from sitting right back where I am now within 30 days.

Your rational is truly stupid sometimes.

there is no fu*cking way I would enlist to defend "our freedoms"

"Our" is the keyword there.
You are same as the rest of the "human garbage" that comes to America and wants something for nothing.
Do enjoy OUR freedoms that others have sacrificed the ultimate for ?
Any American Vet would tell you that you are a waste of oxygen.

Dirk diggler
23 Sep 2019  #1113

al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas,

Al qaeda is sunni and kidnaps iranian diplomats in afghanistan. Iran is currently at war with al qaeda and al nusra so they sure as **** arent supporting rival sunni groups. Who is supporting them though is turkey, usa, israel, saudi arabia and some other gulf states. Tge us even went on a campaign to make al nusra look like the good guys lololol. And taliban hezbollah and hamas are all political organizations with representatives in their respective countries and in most countries around the world dont consider them terrorist organizations. The us does namely hezbollah and hamas bc the jews tell them to.

Hezbollah does a better job protecting christians in the middle east than the usa or israel ever has or will. Ever since israels backstabbing of christian militias during the lebanese civil war the christians became buddy buddy with hezbollah and are in the same political group. Hezbollah is one of the largest employers in lebanon, have their own tv channel and have many elected members in various offices like the parliament seeing as hezbollah literally means party of allah. Hamas was also democratically elected in gaza. Taliban was an internationally recognized government from the 90s to 01 and currently control 75% of afghanistan. The us and russia are currently negotiating their troop withdrawls. If the us supposedly doesnt negotiate with terrorists than why is trump inviting taliban to camp david? This war is too long, too expensive, the usa miserably lost and since the jewish handlers get nothing out of it its time to pack it in.

Remember Iran saying that they wanted a nuke to take Israel off the map ?
No wonder you support them.

First of all it wasnt an accurate translation of farsi. The correct translation would be the zionist government. Regardless i hope they do.

So in short jews have done nothing directly to harm you or your family.

So extortion of my homeland, embezzlement of tax money and destroying christian traditional values is nothing to you....

how many Americans and Europeans that they have killed and wounded on our own home soils big guy.

Zero. I cant think of a single shia inspired terror attack on us or european soil. Hezbollah commited one in lebanon as a response to us invasion of their homeland back in the 80s. Hamas hasnt killed any americans and welcomes activists in gaza. One american who was bulldozed to death by israeli defense forces now has a monument to her and was given a heros funeral by hamas. Al qaeda i wont even go into as iran is actively engaged in a war with al qaeda and its affiliates in syria and iraq.

The neocons at fox news really did a number on you... Iran poses zero threat to the usa and the only reason why the us antagonizes them is because israel and more recently saudi arabia demands it.

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1114

I don't respond to personal insults.

Dirk diggler
23 Sep 2019  #1115

@johnny reb

Thats not how it works. She could have had a treatment for something as simple as varicose veins under say aetna who then leaves the state and now she has to get blue cross who wont cover it or more likely wouldnt even accept her due to past surgeries ans stomach problems if it wasnt for obamacare. Or someone could have had cancer as a child or some other condition and they wont cover it for 10 years. Even things like tuberculosis, acne, hep c, alcoholism, high blood pressure and autoimmine diseases like lupus they can deny.

And 90% of preexisting is major medical bills.
Talk about a health insurance company going broke quick.

Exactly, because until obamacare insurance wouldnt cover preexisting. Thats why now in many syayes theres only 1 or 2 companies left because was unprofitable for them to remain unless they had a monopoly or near monopoly.

Thats american 18kt gold toilet healthcare for you. The best in the world. Except you cant afford it unless youre a multimillionaire

@Rich Mazur
I dont either but i doubt it since employers dont ask those questions and your put on whatever plans the employers chose.

johnny reb
23 Sep 2019  #1116

Well color me stupid, I really wasn't aware of that.
I always thought that preexisting meant that if you were diagnosed with an existing problem prior of you applying for insurance.
I didn't know that prior surgeries or prior cancer and now you have a clean bill of health that you could be denied.
So you are saying if I had a physical and received a clean bill of health they could still deny me even though I was as fit as a fiddle ?

I have never heard of such a thing.

Iran poses zero threat to the usa

And how about our allies ?

Zero.

So who are these terrorists then that have killed Americans in America and Europeans in Europe ?
Where were they trained ?
Iran is their safe haven and where their training camps are.

I don't respond to personal insults.

Weren't you the one that boasted that you could not be insulted because you were shameless ?
I wasn't trying to insult you, I was simply mimicking you to show you how abusive you sound when you do it to others.

Kinda sucks dunnit.

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1117

Only morons - that would be the Americans - would send their men 7000 miles away to play world cops AND have an open border at the same time. And accept a million immigrants every year, including from the places where the morons - that would be the Americans - are sniffing for the terrorists, the bad guys with a T in their backs for easy recognition.

For the denser of you here, that was sarcasm.

Dirk diggler
23 Sep 2019  #1118

Again, those would be sunni not shia which fox and the other conservative media and leaders neber point out because it challanges their anti iran narrative. Sunni groups use to mainly train in afghanistan and to a limited extent saudi arabia and decades before in jordan. Today its mostly syria and to some extent phillipines, small camps in malaysia, etc.

Are thete training camps in iran? Yes but not for the sunni radicals which attacked usa and europe. And hezbollah isnt even considered a terror group by the EU and hamas isnt either. Thats because tbe EU is smart enoigh to understand that they arent terrorists while the usa considers them as such because israel tells them to. And whateber israel says the conservatives on fox and neocon republicans treat as the word of God.

Iran is their safe haven and where their training camps are.

Lol iran doesnt train al qaeda, isis, al nusra, etc. Instead they fight against them. Thatd be like nazis training the anders army or yugo partisans. Iran does provide training and materiel to hezbollah, houthis and some other shia groups along with hamas which is sunni mainly because theyre a useful proxy against israel. The shia groups like houthis and hezbollah have never killed an american on us soil nor comitted any terror attacks in europe. Thats what fox and the neocons fail to point out or maybe they simply are ignorant of the difference between shia and sunni and just lump them together.

And how about our allies ?

You mean israel and saudi arabia? Because they dont pose a threat to any european, asian, north american or any other allies. Theres zero threat to poland thats for sure. Its a shame that after taking in scores of polish refugees after ww2 and the early prl years we pay iran back by hosting conferences against them because we want to have a better military alliance with the us. Israel spies on the president and unlike iran has killed us sailors on the uss liberty and launched a false flag in egypt to draw america into the war while saudi arabia funded al qaeda, al nusra and factions which later ended up under isis. Just about all the hijackers came from saudi arabia and the prince even admitted that they werent honest with the us about funding terrorist proxy groups and promised to stop. Some "allies."

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1119

It's hard to explain things to the Reader's Digest subscribers.

johnny reb
23 Sep 2019  #1120

Thats what fox and the neocons fail to point out

I learn something new every day here.
It is Iran's theology that Christians fear, it's America's economic interests in the region that America's government fears.
If Trump keeps the sanctions on I am sure that it won't be long before Iranian leaders will be replaced.
Then what country will we start with next ? China ?
Put dogs on chains and keep kicking at them and eventually you will get bit.

It's hard to explain things to the Reader's Digest subscribers.

Especially when they have your number. :-)

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1121

If Trump keeps the sanctions on I am sure that it won't be long before Iranian leaders will be replaced.

We have a habit of replacing strongmen with chaos and "democracy" that often turns Islamic - a hobby that costs the US dearly in men and money with zero payback.

But that satisfaction of being the Magnificent Seven-style good guys! Wow! That is so irresistible.
The problem is that we are the only idiots on the planet doing it under that catchy and just as moronic banner: Who if not us?

TheOther
23 Sep 2019  #1122

Prior to the Affordable Care Act, a pregnancy was considered a preexisting condition, would you believe that? Guess what will happen when they finally kill off Obamacare...

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1123

Prior to the Affordable Care Act,

One tiny little problem...The federal government was not created to manage health care.

johnny reb
23 Sep 2019  #1124

Guess what will happen when they finally kill off Obamacare...

The Millennials might wake up to the fact that if you can't feed them, don't breed them.
Responsibility like our parents had to deal with.....HORRORS !

The federal government was not created to manage health care.

It was created to serve the people.
What happened along the way ?

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1125

If all parents acted responsibly all the time, 80% of us would never be born.

TheOther
23 Sep 2019  #1126

The federal government was not created to manage health care.

So the federal government was created to protect greedy corporations? Allow the import of cheaper prescription drugs instead of blocking the competition for a start. Then we'll talk.

The Millennials might wake up

What do you do if you were born with diabetes for example? What do you do when you are old enough to have accumulated a bunch of preexisting conditions? It's not only about Millennials; everybody needs affordable health insurance. Remember the times before the ACA when medical bills were the main reason for U.S. bankruptcies?

Rich Mazur
23 Sep 2019  #1127

So the federal government was created to protect greedy corporations?

The first duty of an immigrant who was allowed in here by the federal government is to get to know what the federal government is and for what purpose. In that sense, your doubt and your question are shocking, to say the least.

TheOther
23 Sep 2019  #1128

your doubt and your question are shocking

Let's see...

"The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Do you call it justice when corporations are protected from competition at the expense of the American people? Does the federal government promote general welfare when it allows corporate greed to drive Americans into bankruptcy? That's exactly what the federal government does with our health care system. Favor corporations over the well being of our citizens, and for that it needs to be called out. Very strange that you find that shocking.

johnny reb
23 Sep 2019  #1129

Remember the times before the ACA when medical bills were the main reason for U.S. bankruptcies?

I wasn't aware that obama care cured that problem.
I do believe it is still the main reason for bankruptcy in America.
The reason is that there is nothing affordable for what you call the ACA.
Most people did not buy into it because they could afford it nor the deductible that went with it.
Most doctors do not accept it anyways so why buy into it.
The ONLY THING that kept obama care afloat is that you get fined with an extra expense when you file your income tax if you don't have any health care insurance.

obama care FORCED people to buy something they did not want.
Lovely.

Dirk diggler
23 Sep 2019  #1130

So you are saying if I had a physical and received a clean bill of health

No, again that's not how it works. But if say you had cancer 8 years ago, was totally cured, and ended up with cancer again you'd be screwed for 2 years as generally insurance has a 10 year wait since diagnosis before they'll treat you.

Or if say you got a tattoo 40 years ago and got hep c when they didn't even know such a thing existed and it was in your health history throughout the 90's or 00's good luck getting treatment for it now. If you want the cure you'll likely have to shell out 60-80k out of your own pocket.

Or say you were treated for lupus, TB or some other disease under one insurance, that insurance now sucks or left your state and you now need a new insurance company. well the new insurance company could deny you, before Obamacare that is...

I didn't know that prior surgeries or prior cancer and now you have a clean bill of health that you could be denied.

You can, depending on the insurance's policies. Luckily Obamacare eliminated that.

That's the whole reason for the anxiety behind trumpcare. some say it'll keep that aspect of Obamacare, others don't. That remains to be seen...

Most doctors do not accept it anyways so why buy into it.

Again, idk where you're getting this info from. All doctors and dentists have a list of insurance companies that they will or won't accept (in network or out of network). The insurance companies available in your state are on Obamacare marketplace which you sign up for every November/December if you're self employed or own a business, otherwise you get whatever plan your employer has usually 30-90 days from the day of employment. In Illinois for example youd purchase Blue Cross from the exchange which I can't think of any doctor or hospital who wouldn't accept it as its the best insurance in the state, arguably in the usa.

The insurance that most doctors don't accept is Medicaid which is for low income and that's totally separate from the Obamacare exchange. That's insurance for people who aren't making enough money to afford a marketplace insurance and don't receive insurance from an employer.

obama care FORCED people to buy something they did not want.

And yet the majority of americans don't want Obamacare to go away.

johnny reb
24 Sep 2019  #1131

I can't think of any doctor or hospital who wouldn't accept it

I can, lots of them, they said it is to much paperwork and hassle and they don't get paid that much from it.

And yet the majority of americans don't want Obamacare to go away.

That's because it keeps some of the poor off Medicaid and not paying anything at all.

Dirk diggler
24 Sep 2019  #1132

I can, lots of them, they said it is to much paperwork and hassle and they don't get paid that much from it.

For Medicaid (and even Medicare to some extent), I'm sure, from Blue Cross Blue Shield? I somehow highly doubt that a doctor wouldn't accept BCBS PPO which are arguably the best plans by USA, and ones that is purchased on the Obamacare exchange...

Every doctor does more admin work with Obamacare, but most still accept the big insurers - Aetna, BCBS, Cigna, etc. all of which are bought and sold on the Obamacare depending on what's available in your state.

TheOther
24 Sep 2019  #1133

I do believe it is still the main reason for bankruptcy in America.

The people who decided to rather pay the penalty than buy insurance deserve a bankruptcy and then some. For the rest the problem wasn't so much the ACA, but inadequate health insurance. The policies that are either available at affordable cost or provided by the employers are insufficient protection if you are sick. Why insufficient? Because we have a largely unregulated healthcare system that values profit much more than people's lives. Can't afford a good insurance? Well, we'll send you thoughts and prayers...

Lenka
24 Sep 2019  #1134

I wonder hiw much it costs in the end to treat people who cannot afford insurance. A lot of illnesses are preventable or treated easier in early stages. They are still treated in the end but at much higher cost

johnny reb
24 Sep 2019  #1135

Dirk, when are you going to admit it, Obama care was designed to fail and you know it !

- Aetna, BCBS, Cigna, etc. all of which are bought and sold on the Obamacare

I'm not talking about supplemental plans that pick up what obama care doesn't.
obama care has been a disaster from the get go.

The people who decided to rather pay the penalty than buy insurance deserve a bankruptcy

Why is that ?
Working people that can't afford obama care, nor it's deductible don't "rather"......they CAN'T because they have no extra money to buy it.

obama care is NOT cheap nor affordable for minimum wage workers.
obummer care is for the full blown welfare lifers that pay nothing for it.
Do you have obama care or as you call it ACA by any chance ?

A lot of illnesses are preventable or treated easier in early stages.

Very good point Lenka but as long as welfare food stamps encourage these fat asses to buy soda pop, frozen pizza's, potato chips and ice cream they are going to have all kinds of health problems because the most exercise they get is riding the electric carts provided by the grocery stores around the isles to buy junk food with money that the working class is paying for.

These Welfare people pull out their $1000 cell phones and scan their food as they put it in their electric carts basket so when they get to the checkout lane they can just scan the stores scanner with their cell phone which automatically deducts their purchase from their food stamp card.

Then they ride their electric carts (that are in the stores for old people and the truly handi cap) back out to their cars with disability stickers on their windshields of their car so they can park in handi cap spaces right next to the stores front door taking up a precious parking space for someone without a self inflicted handi cap.

These people have pre heart decease, pre diabetes, back and hip degenerative pain (from being obese), high blood pressure, anxiety, depression, sleep apnea and on and on costing the health care system trillions by going to the doctor weekly for such systems FREE (Welfare Medicaid) that the working class pays for.

And for healthcare bills that the hospitals and doctors know that will never be collect.......they just pad the bill by ten times the amount right from the get go and use it for a tax right off so the healthcare system wins again.

It's big business for the abused health care system and monopoly pharmaceuticals companies making trillions off these slaves to the American system.
See Lenka.........the insurance companies and the healthcare system runs America.
Both necessary evils in peoples lives in America as you can't survive without them.

johnny reb
24 Sep 2019  #1136

Trump has just kicked the Brits, Germany and France in the ass again by getting them to publically admit that it was Iran that launched the missiles that hit the Saudi's oil tanks.

Europe is going to get sucked into this mess sooner or later either by supporting the sanctions against Iran or being allies in a all out war.

Europe's citizens seems to be asleep that they belong to NATO.

Miloslaw
24 Sep 2019  #1137

Trump has just kicked the Brits

Not the Brits.
Dominic Raab announced yesterday that The British think Iran was behind the attack.

In fact France, Germany and The UK have issued a joint statement blaming Iran for the attacks.

johnny reb
24 Sep 2019  #1138

Not the Brits.

I must have read the article wrong then.
UNITED NATIONS - Britain, France and Germany joined the U.S. on Monday in blaming Iran for attacks on key oil facilities in Saudi Arabia

nwherald.com/2019/09/24/uk-france-germany-blame-iran-for-saudi-oil-attacks/ajai1xc/

In fact

Ah, I see you questioned yourself and googled your assumption to find that you were wrong.
Good man.

Miloslaw
24 Sep 2019  #1139

No, I googled to check the French and German responses and found that you were even more wrong than I thought.

;-)

Rich Mazur
24 Sep 2019  #1140

Let me see if I understand how the dots connect. Country A - that would Iran - attacks Country B, Saudi Arabia. That is why a kid in Peoria, Illinois, how just got married and is about to have his fist baby, is expected to put his life on line.

Did I get it right?


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