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USA News and Poland - Part 2



cms neuf
30 Oct 2019  #1531

I think that includes plenty of PolAms - what is the problem with that ? They pay tax, are good citizens, often serve in the military.

I'm sure that even in Russia there are plenty who speak other central Asian languages at home.

Rich Mazur
30 Oct 2019  #1532

what is the problem with that ?

The problem is that of attitude. To the immigrant scum that clings to their old ways, the Americans born here are "them", not "us". The result: the US, once a single language country, is becoming a mosaic of madness. In the NY schools, the system has to deal with a couple hundred languages.

Which costs a ton of money. But, I am sure, now that you know it, you will be happy to send them some from time to time.

I am past the age of military service. If I were younger, like hell would I enlist to "defend" America composed of this kind of multi crap.

Bottom line: with half of the idiots here loving socialism and communism - those are real polls - the immigrants overrunning this country, open borders, the US being corrupted daily by half a dozen globalist billionaires, the US is a country in name only and not worth dying for. In fact, no country is worth dying for. Poland included.

johnny reb
30 Oct 2019  #1533

The problem is that of attitude.

Exactly Rich.
I don't care what race "they" are.....Indians, Latino's, Blacks, Asians (all with dark skin) refer to White Americans as "Us" and "Them".

Why should I have to push number 1 to speak in English ?????
Why shouldn't "They" have to push a corresponding number to speak in "their" foreign language ?
I have never understood why "we" stoop to this b.s. as red blooded Americans.

Rich Mazur
30 Oct 2019  #1534

When I walk into a store and have to ask "do you speak English", Houston, we have a problem. A big one and getting worse because we have no balls to say enough to the hordes.

I miss white people. I miss accent-free English. That is why going to Chicago when I have to feels like I am being punished. To recover, I go to Naperville, the prettiest town anywhere that used to be solidly conservative, now turning liberal. At least, it's still white.

Lyzko
30 Oct 2019  #1535

Here again, I've agreed with you, at least on that score, from day one!
However, as long as capitalist, big-business enterprises continue to be willing to hire low-paid, low-skilled, C-H-E-A-P labor from Third World societies, you will be pushing button number 1 for a real long time.

Figure that if we had a '50's-style demographic expectation in a '00's economy, the middle class wouldn't be able to afford much of anything, were the blue-collar laborers mostly WASPS or of white European origin:-)

One more reason why Trump's erstwhile comment that he'd like to see more new arrivals to this country from places such as Norway, was so downright stupid!!

cms neuf
30 Oct 2019  #1536

Why would anyone from Germany, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland or such place move to the US unless their company was sending them to build a new factory ? Or maybe they are a soccer player wanting a last payday in a more relaxed atmosphere.

the US is now poorer, less healthy, more crime ridden and with worse schools and worse infrastructure than those countries.

So get used to your immigrants being from Sudan, Guatemala and Laos and maybe even from Russia, and get used to the fact they will also get richer in a few generations. Enjoy those tacos !

TheOther
30 Oct 2019  #1537

like hell would I enlist to "defend" America composed of this kind of multi crap.

With that kind of attitude, the immigrants in the military would straighten you out in 5 seconds.

Why should I have to push number 1 to speak in English ?

On a federal level we don't have an official language, and approx. 1/3 of all states either don't have an official language or more than one.

johnny reb
30 Oct 2019  #1538

The official language in America is butchered English.

TheOther
30 Oct 2019  #1539

Learn proper English then... :)

johnny reb
30 Oct 2019  #1540

Why when the official language is butcher English in America. :)

Lyzko
30 Oct 2019  #1541

Both Johnny & TheOther are missing the point.
The gradual "decline" in the general use of English throughout the US is nothing recent, and, as with old age, is merely the exaggerated apex of what has been endemic to our country since the first English colonists arrived in 1623.

America was and always has been predominantly a social experiment, folks! We are essentially a reaction to the Old World, full of what we New Worlders perceived as long outdated customs, stultified traditions, a museum-like Continent slowly gathering dust and never again au courant in a thriving future.

Language standards??! In a nation often out-and-out suspicious of rules, regulations, and protocol, Johnny, language butchery's not only considered
just plain fun, but profitable fun at best:-)

Rich Mazur
30 Oct 2019  #1542

the US is now poorer, less healthy, more crime ridden and with worse schools and worse infrastructure than those countries.

That was stating the obvious we all here already know.
The most maddening thing is that those are all self-inflicted wounds by the corrupt American anti-American globalists who keep the flood gates open to the useless hordes no other country wants, including your own.

Some idiots here always remind me when I post stuff like this that once I immigrated here. So, again, a reminder. I was a super immigrant whose arrival increased the average IQ, paid maximum in the Social Security taxes, never received a dime in welfare, and switched to 100% English as soon as I was able and never looked back. That merit-based immigration is nothing but a sad memory in "America", the world's ATM and a garbage can for surplus humanity.

Today, every scum and a-hole feels entitled to come here, nest in his own ghetto, speak his native language all day long, demand things, and get as much in freebies as the stupid gated-community globalists are willing to provide for the votes.

Lyzko
30 Oct 2019  #1543

Misguided liberalism has to be sure become our ruin, merrily catapulting Blondie into the White House. Once more, I heartily concur in this respect. It is only

the causes with which I'm not always in complete agreement!

johnny reb
30 Oct 2019  #1544

What, Draining the Swamp of both parties ?

Rich Mazur
30 Oct 2019  #1545

Draining will not work. The French had a better idea.

TheOther
30 Oct 2019  #1546

Why when the official language is butcher English in America.

LOL! Press 1 for Pidgin English.

Rich Mazur
30 Oct 2019  #1547

This comment is from thehill.com:

Another day, another spin job by the Hill. Liberals desperate to do anything they can to destroy a person - just because they're still upset we finally have a president with a set of balls in the White House - and a first lady who doesn't.

I couldn't do it any better. Highlighting is mine.

Miloslaw
30 Oct 2019  #1548

Today, every scum and a-hole feels entitled to come here, nest in his own ghetto, speak hios native language all day long

It's not just America.....we are all falling for this s##t......

Lyzko
30 Oct 2019  #1549

Pidgin English is nothing new!
Can recall a sign some years back hanging on a London bookshop: "BROKEN ENGLISH SPOKEN PERFECTLY!
lol

johnny reb
31 Oct 2019  #1550

It's not just America.....we are all falling for this s##t......

Marxists teachings are alive and well.
Remember Progressive jon preaching how these people would "enrich" our cultures and we kept telling him that he was nuttier than a twelve pound fruitcake.

TheOther
31 Oct 2019  #1551

Pidgin English is nothing new!

To be honest, I really don't care much about someone's English skills as long as I'm able to communicate with that person. Visit Australia's outback and talk to a white, dinky-di Aussie truck driver. It's like listening to someone from another planet.

Rich Mazur
31 Oct 2019  #1552

Remember Progressive jon preaching how these people would "enrich" our cultures

Chess players are familiar with the checkmate expression. I feel the same way debating - if they even debate rather than run and hide - the leftist loons about immigration. These morons can't survive even two damn questions. And that's about their own claims.

If a claim is mine, one question and they play dead.

Any takers?

Lyzko
31 Oct 2019  #1553

Difference is, TheOther, that in this case, English is the Aussie's native tongue:-) Go to the Ozarks and listen to their Elizabethan locutions, or to Tidewater VA, off the coast and try making sense of some nearly five-hundred year old time-warp English.

My beef is when ESL can be taught by "instructors" who sound more like foreign students of English themselves instead of educated, native American English speakers, simply because they could bribe their way to the top. Then, they rationalize that a foreigner can somehow identify with the errors of non-native English learners. However without a bedrock solid standard, what is the instruction worth if mistakes keep getting reinforced by those as yet too ignorant to know or worse still, to care, about the difference!!

When yours truly was interviewing for such a position in Manhattan during the mid-'90's, I noticed that my future supervisor conducting the interview had a Hungarian accent you could cut with a machete, furthermore, was often grammatically not entirely clear. After the interview, I casually (but well out of earshot) remarked to another teacher upon leaving, that the interviewer sounded more like a student of English than a teacher. "The students won't notice.", replied the instructor.

At point, I asked for my cv back from the Office and left, never to return:-)

TheOther
31 Oct 2019  #1554

My beef is when ESL can be taught by "instructors"

I understand your concern, but on the other hand you seem to imply that only native English speakers from the Anglosphere can teach the language. That's impracticable.

English is the Aussie's native tongue

Only since 1788... :)
Large parts of Australia are under Aboriginal control though, and they try to preserve their remaining native languages as much as possible.

Lyzko
31 Oct 2019  #1555

Well, it's 2019 and so I figure they've had an opportunity to practice it by this time! LOL

"That's impracticable."

No. What I expect instead is that if a non-Anglophone native speakers holds themselves up proudly, yea, confidently, as an English instructor, I would demand no less than a thorough knowledge not only of the language, but furthermore, of the pronunciation in the language they seek to impart correctly to others, to students, who presumably know less than the instructor! Moreover, ought not the second-language speaking pedagogue admit to their colleagues (if indeed feeling slightly embarrassed having to 'come clean' to their own students) that English isn't their first language, and therefore is willing to accept polite correction privately, allowing experience native English instructors to offer them the benefit of some tips?

If you learn as a journeyman apprentice carpenter from some well-meaning, but only semi-competent, change-of-life "master carpenter", you're learning from someone whose own carpentry skills might well be flawed, as opposed to someone whose life has been devoted to the painstaking use of their hands to build and construct in order to last!

If the blind or at least visually impaired themselves are leading those who cannot see clearly, then the tail is evidently wagging the dog and I think most people would ask what's wrong with this picture, wouldn't you?

:-)

Rich Mazur
31 Oct 2019  #1556

From yahoo.com:
Rep. Wasserman Schultz : Trump's immigration policy reflects 'white supremacist ideology'
For the Euros' benefit, that genius is an American fascist aka Democrat.
My question is: Why would a Democrat help Trump get re-elected. I don't get it.

Miloslaw
31 Oct 2019  #1557

Maybe down to my ignorance of American politics but I don't get why that Democrat saying that,helps to get Trump re elected?
Please explain.

As an aside, this evening Nigel Farage interviewed Trump for 30 minutes on his British Radio Show.
It was quite enlightening.

Rich Mazur
31 Oct 2019  #1558

Please explain.

Simple. Whites have been in retreat for decades because we have been beaten into this PC crap that being white and proud is immoral. Therefore, any president who reflects "white supremacist ideology" is our friend, just as the race baiters who push black pride ideology are leftists' heros.

Trump got elected in 2016 only because he said that Mexican illegals are rapists and criminals and promised to keep them away by building that wall. That was "racist", "xenophobic", mean spirited, not PC and the Americans loved it.

Any guy who is known to espouse "white supremacist ideology" has my vote and the millions' like me. Some a-hole here will tell you soon that I am a tiny and bigoted minority. That's will be a lie. I am as "bigoted" as all those "minorities".

Lyzko
31 Oct 2019  #1559

Yet the yardstick for any sort of racial "supremacy" is always tilted in favor of those carrying the yardstick!
White bigots believe in white supremacy, Marcus Garvey way back in the '20's (before he was assassinated by one of his own, surprisingly) believed in black supremacy, Mishima Yukio in Asian supremacy over those "foul, round-eyed hordes....." etc. and so forth and so on.

That is precisely what is so ridiculous about this entire conversation.

TheOther
31 Oct 2019  #1560

I am a tiny and bigoted minority.

As an immigrant who considers other immigrants scum, you certainly are part of one of the smallest and most bigoted minorities in this country. An embarrassing relic of the past.


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