USA News and Poland - Part 5

It would better than the Serbian thread, its just photos of tanks, missiles and ramblings, nothing interesting at all.


Biden is a total disaster and the BV will be even worse..

It didnt even take this woke idiot 1 year to destroy the county.

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Because Afghanistan allowed the terrorist to set up camps to hide and train there. (State sponsored)


The guys that flew the planes were from Saudi Arabia.


Have you watched biden shame himself again by saying that 'he was instructed to call said reporters' after the last attack.

msn.com/en-us/news/politics/outnumbered-sounds-off-on-biden-being-instructed-on-reporter-questions/vi-AANOXx5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

OK, so we go to Afghanistan and the bad guys go to Pakistan. We leave, and the bad guys come back to Afghanistan, We go to Afghanistan, and they go to Pakistan. We go to Pakistan and they go to Yemen. We go to Yemen and they go to Afghanistan.

Was that plan?

Better than having them come to the U.S.A. again......or wait, maybe they are already here !
Oh, you can bet your sweet ass they are and they are a very patient bunch.

The Taliban are not idiots and they already have hundreds of their sleeper agents among "our allies" we so happily are bringing here by the planeload.

Yes, we are that stupid.

Yep, so who is really running the show??? I think its that butcher of Benghazi , Susan Rice.


How many have crossed over Bidens open border??

Biden is a traitor!

That's anachronistic.

When you are attacked, you must retaliate or it invites more attacks--like how we let al-Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole to slide. It emboldened them.

Deterrence is what limits the potential for an increase of war. Going into Afghanistan was necessary, problem is that it devolved from a counter-terrorism op to a nation building op--plus, we decided to split our attention when we went into Iraq.


It would be much better. Germany deserves its own thread. We got BB and Tacitus as the German contingent right? They're two of the smarter posters on here, so our resident Krauts :) should lobby for one.

Because of papacy. I will tell what you avoid to tell. Gypsies are greedy and want all the world in one mix. Gates are open, come and use your penises and vaginas. GIVE ME MY PERFECT WORLD.

There was no war in Afghanistan. It was a police action with the rules of engagement that were beyond insane. Plus, the "enemy" were civilians with guns. You cannot ever win with them. Just visit Afghanistan to check if I am right.

We have civilians with guns in the US cities and in Chicago alone about 700 dead each and every year. Those gangbangers are our terrorists. So, how successful are we in our war on domestic terrorism?

Does it make any difference to you if you get shot by a black thug or a Muslim "refugee"? Our black neighborhoods are our "no-go zones".

It is total idiocy to spend 2 trillion 7000 miles away while our border is wide open and we have that idiotic lottery immigration. The Boston bombers came here as lottery immigrants and we ignored the FSB and their warnings.

Quoting from dailymail.com:

The deaths of at least 13 American servicemen and more than 150 others in a double suicide bomb and gun attack in Kabul has plunged Biden into the greatest crisis of his presidency.

Really? The fact that we, the US, went there to fix Afghanistan does not matter. The fact that we knew there are some bad dudes there doesn't matter. But, all of a sudden, 13 dead US military, in addition to the 3000, is now "the greatest crisis his presidency"? How could he prevent that attack? How can any president prevent terrorist attacks?

We could have prevented 9/11 but didn't because we were too stupid or too cheap to reinforce cockpit doors the way the Israelis did theirs years ago.

We could have prevented the Beirut massacre where 260 marines were deployed by that moron Reagan - unarmed and stacked up in a hotel to make it easier to kill them - but didn't because they were on a "peace mission".

Yes, we are that stupid. Now, it's Joe's fault, but not the morons who elected that feeble man to the highest office on earth.

Yes, there was.

Which we lost. Again.

You may not even realize what a disservice to the US military you are doing by upgrading this bullsh*it to "war". Please don't do this or use worn-out swamp one-liners as those diminish you. We are way past cute sentences.

The US does not lose wars. The US loses bullsh*it pretend "wars" like this one where the civilians without guns are indistinguishable from the civilians with guns - aka terrorists - and where one of the objectives is to win "hearts and minds" of the locals who hate you. Did the US try to win hearts and minds in Berlin or Hiroshima?

Did you know that the US military was expressly prohibited from setting up observation posts to see if the bad guys were cooking something up because that would deprive the villagers of their privacy? No, I didn't make it up and, no, that was not a war. I was just another American touchy-feely PC crap run by lawyers.

Whether the rules of engagement are ridiculous or not--and most of the time they were--that doesn't mean it wasn't a war. The disservice done to the military is to downgrade it to something other than a war. It was a war. To use your logic, the American Revolutionary War wasn't a war either, because the British enemies (the Americans) were also indistinguishable. Most revolutionary soldiers wore civilian clothes.


In a sense, yeah absolutely. We rehabilitated both. Ever hear of The Marshall Plan? Or, MacArthur and SCAP?

BS. Not while the US was bombing the fu*ck out of them and before they signed an unconditional surrender.

Wars have doable objectives, targets to bomb, and the endpoint. This crap in Afghanistan had none of them. Killing Bin Laden met all three.

In wars, we keep on killing and bombing until...What was that "until" in that sh*it hole? Until we get exhausted after 20 years?

If that was a war, how come we can't win against the domestic criminals? What's the difference? There is none: no doable objective, no targets to bomb, and no endpoint, and nobody to sign the surrender documents.

And those rules of engagement that tell all...

An oil-carrying convoy would be first warned to let the drivers escape. Those drivers were the terrorists taking oil to market, btw.

Another one...We refused to hit the top terrorists when they had a meeting. Do you know why? Because they deliberately assembled at a cemetery knowing that we are touchy-feely idiots.

Another one...When a local pos would be raping a kid, our brave soldiers were ordered to look away and not intervene. In this respect, Wehrmacht was better. They would just shot the rapist dead and not even bother to pick up the body. But I could be wrong.

Well, we did beat the **** out of theTaliban and chased them and al-qaeda into the mountains or into villages or whatever. Then, we started rehabilitation.

I whole heartedly agree the rules of engagement are insane.

Tell me, what do you think we should have done after 9/11?

After we removed the Taliban from the Afghanistan government and drove al-Qaeda into the mountains what should we have done?

So, why didn't you declare victory and come home? I will answer my own question: because it was not a victory at all but the equivalent of turning the lights on in the kitchen to scare the rats away for a while. Your own example made my point.

And now - drum roll - they are back except that they are better armed because Americans are idiots with no plan how to get out after a win or defeat.


Fire and criminally charge all those who were responsible for not re-reinforcing cockpit doors and allowing box cutters on board. That's just for starters.

Make our borders airtight with the shoot-to-kill zone.
Stop all immigration.
No visitors or students from where terrorists may be based.
Close all US embassies in sh*itholes like Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, and 100 other places nobody gives a rat's ass about.
Bring all US troops home. China and Russia have none outside. We can, too.

And I am just warming up...

They impeached Trump for a phone call.

Id say Biden leaving thousands behind enemy lines while he goes on vacation should warrant the same treatment?


They have very good food and beer from what I've tried before.. Ive been to a few Oktoberfests and thats a great time and with fun ppl too.

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Nah.. I mean a counter- terrorism operation involves intelligence, special forces, deals with some locals and so on.. Occupation, military bases and so on that is NOT a counter- terrorism operation.

the problem is in a fact that it was anything else but a counter- terrorism operation. In the end (if we take it for it face value) it was a typical special forces operation that got Bin Laden.

They dazzle public with BS (get back at them, pay them back) and by the time there are fist boots on the ground the public tune into support our troops mode. If they are there we are with them ... and when the sh't hit the fan, there is this or the other excuse. Only some people walk away much more rich they they were before..

By the way pay back whom? I mean Bin Laden and his money Saudi, 70% dudes involved in that NY kamikadze attack - Saudi. Afghanistan way of tangent, Iran getting closer but still not there..lol

I mean they should ask their buddies rules of Saudi Arabia to sort that problem for them. Even to hand them Obama on the silver plater so that US special forces can take him out.

Rather than do that they choose another approach and that tell me that our lovely Obama and his antic were only a pretext..

@Joker

Thanks for that image Joker. I now forgive you for the `dupa` mentioned in the other thread. I wont speak of it anymore.

...and the circle of madness begins: We need our armed forces there ... to support our armed forces there.
Later, the religion of the sacrosanct nature of the mission nobody is allowed to criticize after the first dozen body bags arrive at Dover. That would be "insensitive" to the grieving parents to tell them that their sons died for nothing.


No. That's another senior exemption - from reality and consequences.

@Novichok

So, if attacked, withdraw from the world and isolate yourself? In other words, victory for the attackers and no deterrence for others feeling froggy.

@Ironside

Well, you need some type of base for your special forces to operate from.

And, I agree, the problem is it turned into a nation building op.

We were not attacked. We were criminally negligent in preventing the preventable. Plus, the "attackers" were not state agents. At the very best, they were religious freaks.

If 19 Hindus blow up a building in DC, do you go to war with India? If a dozen Americans murder a hundred Russians in Moscow, should Russia invade the US?

Only a moron would take "revenge" and spend 2 trillion bucks and 3000 dead in the process. That's the US way. When the Palestinians killed Israelis in Munich, Isreal did not invade Germany. Mossad did what Mossad does so well; they killed them all - one by one. But Isreal has brains. They re-inforced cockpit doors and built that magnificent wall to see the acts of terrorism drop like a rock. No trillions. No dead Israelis. Duh!


How about that we were "attacked" BECAUSE we have our paws all over the world? That is a circular logic of madness that leads nowhere.

How about China and Russia? Are they in isolation? Do they have "armed forces" everywhere and feel unsafe because they don't?

Frankly, I am disappointed in you personally for repeating the swamp one-liners. I didn't expect that, to be honest.

To Muslim fanatics, the very presence of the US military in Muslim countries is an unforgivable crime against Allah. We know it, we ignore it, and we pay.

Add to it that uniquely American messiah complex, the DoD swamp with its greed, and all we need is a couple of good stories to go to another war.

BTW, those "babies thrown out of incubators" was a lie designed to make Americans cry - and cry they did.

So true.


Again, so true.
Let's not beat around the bush.
America leads the west and the rest of us, for whatever reason, follow.
I get why America wanted to punish the Talban for hosting Al Queda and for wanting to get Bin Laden.
The coalition defeated the Taliban in 18 months.Maybe that was the time to get out.
But it took about 8 years more to get Bin Laden.
That should certainly have been the time to pull out.
But "Mission Creep" happened and then the west tried to democratise a country that was and still is not ready for democracy.
Big mistake.
Trump saw this and wanted out
Rightly so.
Biden was too keen to implement US withdrawal after 20 years and messed it up and pulled out too quickly without evacuating everyone first.
Many in Europe hated Trump, some liked him.
But there is a growing feeling in Europe that although they did not like Trump, Biden is far worse.....

@Novichok

Our fundamental difference is I believe we were attacked and you don't.


You perceive my point of view as swampist and I perceive yours as a play of intellectual and semantic gymnastics to fit the situation into a self-righteous cynical worldview.

That is shared by all the countries out there - including China and Russia - but one that is drowning in debt and unable or unwilling to close its borders.

But that didn't fit your swamp globalist narrative so you skipped over it.


One more time: They attacked us the way Chicago thugs attack us. Instead of guns, they used planes we kept accessible, and after we trained them how to fly.

Should we send the US army to blow up that flight school in Venice, Florida, as a terrorist base?


Overlooked that one conveniently, too?
From now on, either you respond to my points or we are done. My editorials vs your terse one-liners is not an even exchange worth my time. And I am not going to debate "attack". That's what Lyzko is for.


You cannot defeat the Taliban just as you can't defeat drug peddling gangbangers here without implementing draconian laws. Even China with its death penalty for smuggling can't stop it 100%. They will hide or run to the country next door and as soon as you leave, they will reconstitute. As they say, rinse and repeat.

biden is DONE !
So is the Democratic Party for trying to destroy America just because the women were offended by Trump being Politically Incorrect.
The recent decline in support for Creepy Sleepy joe and his administration means that the Democratic party will lose control of the House and potentially the Senate in 2022 and also makes it that biden will be a one term president if he even makes it that long.

Biden is looking very fragile lately.
Remember when the wind blew him over ?
Just 41 percent of registered voters now approve of biden, while 55 percent disapprove, according to a USA Today/Suffolk County survey released last week.
biden's approval rating , to no surprise has deteriorated, having dropped 16 points since this spring.
We just keep waiting for the announcement that feeble joe will be stepping down due to 'health issues'.

Everything Biden touches turns into a disaster.

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OK.

The last flight with evacuees has left the Kabul airport.

There are still Americans left behind Mr. President!

What a disgrace! He need to resign or be removed from office!

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What a pathetic sight...That a-hole kneeling..

I want my president to be a very ugly American that everybody out there hates. Especially, Merkel and others like her.
In that role, Trump was perfect. They probably reminded him not to say, hi, Liz.