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USA News and Poland - part 18



Novichok
10 Jan 2026  #421

Are you watching the Bears vs Packers tonight?

I actually will...I need rest.

jon357
10 Jan 2026  #422

I need rest.

Rest in peace

Joker
10 Jan 2026  #423

I actually will...I need rest.

GO BEARS!

Let them cackeling hens argue into their echo chamber while we enjoy some real Footbal!


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AntV
10 Jan 2026  #424

GO BEARS!

๐Ÿคข

Go Pack Go!!!!

Paulina
10 Jan 2026  #425

Now, I understand Polam`s frustration.

So on which side of the car was the ICE agent when he fired the last two fatal shots in the head of that woman? Can you manage to tell based on the video available? Because the rest of humanity seems to be capable of doing that. ๐Ÿ™„

Not that I owe either of you any explanation at all.

But you claim that we know nothing, so prove that what I'm posting is not correct. Or don't make claims you can't back up.

38 states have stand your ground laws. In this case, Minnesota woke laws don't apply.

Why not? Doesn't Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force apply in such case?: ๐Ÿค”

justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force


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Feniks
10 Jan 2026  #426

it's an example of the executive clemency power being used, which is explicitly written into the U.S. Constitution and has been exercised by every president.

Thanks for the explanation.

A pardon after the fact doesn't erase the process or the findings.

I thought presidential pardons were to show mercy. In this particular case he's showing mercy collectively to violent protestors. If nothing else, I feel the rule of law has been manipulated for political gain.

pretending they're some Trump-only invention,

Where did I say that?

Not that I owe either of you any explanation at all.

Then don't reply to what I post. Simple.

Novichok
10 Jan 2026  #427

endless cultured conversation over a nice Beaujolais.

Times have changed...

Yesterday, an ICE-hating woman next to me screamed vulgarities at the State Police officers guarding the facility.

I asked her why she was insulting the cops who just come to work every day to keep us safe.

Her response: Hey, guys, we have a NAZI from Eastern Europe here! Get the fvck out of here!!!

I reminded her that she doesn't have to scream since I was just three feet away...This made it worse...

In miniature, this is where we are as a society.

AntV
10 Jan 2026  #428

enjoy some real Footbal

Well, the Bears don't play real football, so we'll only be able to half enjoy some real football.

Tlum
10 Jan 2026  #429

insulting the cops who just come to work every day to keep us safe.

What about your posts promoting individual gun ownership as a means of self-protection because the police don't show up when needed?

You've also been mocking people who would call the police if they were in danger. Now you claim, just like delusional individuals, that the government will keep us safe. Have they taken your guns away?

Joker
10 Jan 2026  #430

@AntV
Youre backing the cheeseheads aren't you.. lol

BEARS RULE PACKERS DROOL

If your referring to that fairy sport soccer to real football, come on....

Novichok
10 Jan 2026  #431

that the government will keep us safe

There are two extreme kinds of safety...One kind needs subs with Tridents, another, a sturdy front door.

What's on your mind?

Paulina
10 Jan 2026  #432

If nothing else, I feel the rule of law has been manipulated for political gain.

It's the same in Poland. Polish presidents can pardon any slimy creature they want. For example, Andrzej Duda was pardoning drug dealers lol:

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2024-12-03/kolejne-kontrowersyjne-ulaskawienie-prezydenta-chodzi-o-dilera-narkotykow/

Then don't reply to what I post. Simple.

Exactly. If he claims we're wrong then I think we have the right to ask for proof.

Tlum
10 Jan 2026  #433

What's on your mind?

You and other Americans need to understand that the police and ICE do not care about your political preferences and are not your friends. They are paid goons to follow orders, much like the Nazi Gestapo. If you gloat today and believe they would never turn against you simply because you support or once supported Trump, you are being naive.

Bobko
10 Jan 2026  #434

So can you actually cite something that refutes what is written in that screenshot I posted?

I think you're missing.... a lot here.

The woman is dead. As in - she's not gonna be around anymore.

Nobody here is celebrating this. Really. I read all the same posts as you. No one here, not Rich, not Joker, not AntV is some kind of cannibal.

You're driving down a line that is not particularly interesting or helpful to anyone - with your attempts to judge the case on the finer points.

She's dead. Dead as a nail.

If you don't like that this happened, or you don't want it to happen anymore - you don't debate why he shot twice from the left side... or from in front... or wherever.

You look at the wider picture Paulina. Words will not revive the dead.

Feniks
10 Jan 2026  #435

Polish presidents can pardon any slimy creature they want.

I get it but usually pardons are given individually. Trump has collectively pardoned a whole bunch of violent offenders who stormed their way into the US Capitol. What sort of message does that send? Surely the American people can't think this is normal or there wouldn't have been such an outcry over it. It's not like I'm the only person that thinks this is wrong even if Joker thinks I shouldn't be commenting from this side of the pond.

If he claims we're wrong then I think we have the right to ask for proof.

Definitely.

AntV
10 Jan 2026  #436

Youre backing the cheeseheads aren't you.. lol

They are my boys. They are a family tradition started by my grandpa back in the 30s/40s. My uncles go to Lambeau annually since 90's.

referring to that fairy sport soccer to real football

I'm not. But, soccer is an awesome sport. I love it.

Paulina
10 Jan 2026  #437

Nobody here is celebrating this.

Don't lie, Bobko. Novichok is. And did you see that image Poloniusz posted? That's psychopathic.

No one here, not Rich, not Joker, not AntV is some kind of cannibal.

Well, that's your opinion. I don't know that because they keep pretending as if those two shots on the left side of the car didn't happen. So I don't know if they approve or disapprove of those two shots.

with your attempts to judge the case on the finer points

LOL
Those "finer points", as you call them, are absolutely crucial to judging this case.

you don't debate why he shot twice from the left side... or from in front... or wherever.

Wow, have you got infected by MAGA moronism? We keep debating if he shot in self-defence or not and if it was warranted or not and whether he was in front of the car or not is crucial to judge if it was self-defence or not. What are you even talking about? ๐Ÿคฆ

You're driving down a line that is not particularly interesting or helpful to anyone

Don't speak for others. This is interesting for me and clearly for Feniks too. Maybe for others too. And even if it isn't - you don't have to read it or take part. ๐Ÿคจ

Bobko
10 Jan 2026  #438

We keep debating if he shot in self-defence or not and if it was warranted

Who cares?

How will it help?

I don't understand.

Paulina
10 Jan 2026  #439

Who cares?

I do.

How will it help?

Why do you discuss stuff here on PF?

I don't understand.

I don't understand your lack of understanding either. Why can you discuss stuff and I can't? ๐Ÿคจ

Bobko
10 Jan 2026  #440

I don't understand your lack of understanding either

He's a nobody. Just a cop.

He could be ten times a veteran, super SWAT man, and global specialist on gun safety - as you say.

I don't care about him. I don't care if he's guilty or innocent. There's a million of them - quite literally.

It's not interesting to discuss a statistical blip.

What matters is woman is dead and it's a done deal.

So we discuss instead what got us here - no?

What's the purpose behind your microscopic analysis? Are you afraid it will happen to you? You said yourself many times you have not been in America. In Poland this would never happen to you.

Paulina
10 Jan 2026  #441

What's the purpose behind your microscopic analysis?

Founding out if Joker, AntV, PolAm, etc. are "cannibals" or not. What is the state of MAGA mindset. What is the level of their moral depravation and the level of brainwashing. Among others...

During my 7 years of discussing with Russians/RuSSians I've learned quite a lot. Actually, come to think of it - the MAGA remind me of Putinist RuSSians, unfortunately.

I don't care if he's guilty or innocent.

OK. So? What am I supposed to do with this information?

Are you afraid it will happen to you?

No, of course not.

AntV
10 Jan 2026  #442

@Joker


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Paulina
11 Jan 2026  #443

No, of course not.

But the US is our most important ally in case of RuSSia's invasion and:

the MAGA remind me of Putinist RuSSians

So...

That's a reason for worry. It's better to know what kind of people we're dealing with.

Novichok
11 Jan 2026  #444

you are being naive.

I will be fine. I know how to behave. I survived the Polish UB. I will survive the American ICE.

Did you know that ICE agents and police officers are sons, husbands, and fathers...and that each day may be their last because some revolutionary azzhole you, stupid Euros, are trying to defend may kill them as free speech?

For future use...My acceptable ratio of dead cops to dead kunts is 1 to 100, especially if kunts are leftist lesbians.

Memo to PF kunt defenders: Decide if this case is about the rules of the road, war, or subversive activities... and stick to it.

Paulina
11 Jan 2026  #445

@Novichok:

Why not? Doesn't Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force apply in such case?: ๐Ÿค”

Do you know?

AntV
11 Jan 2026  #446

Analysis from a former federal prosecutor. He's a republican, but he has a deep understanding of the law and a lot of experience.

nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-likely-committed-felony-assault-on-ice-agent-former-sdny-prosecutor-argues/

Przelotnyptak1
11 Jan 2026  #447

I'm talking about or are you all stupid???

The fact that I'm trying to have a civil conversation with you is a testament to my naivety and stupidity. As for the agent's safety, he was already hit by her car. It's important to remember that other agents were also in serious danger. I've only been back for one day, and I'm already feeling tired and overwhelmed by the brilliance and sheer power of your intellect. While I strive to be truthful and polite, it's clear that one won't get ahead by engaging in a duel with you, especially with the dishonest rhetoric, foul language, and leftist propaganda that sometimes comes into play.

I had hoped we could find common ground, but I can't ignore the issue of dignity. For now, I bid you farewell and sincerely hope you stumble upon truth and civility, even if it's by accident.

AntV
11 Jan 2026  #448

@Przelotnyptak1

Dude, I freaking dig your style! Smart, bitingly deprecating, cool-packaged in smooth and clever prose.

Novichok
11 Jan 2026  #449

Some have fists. Some have balls. Trump has both.



Next: Send the Marines to Greenland and tell the locals they have 72 hours to pack up and leave to Denmark with what they carry or to the US with 1 million bucks and US citizenship.

It would take me 10 milliseconds to decide.

Novichok
11 Jan 2026  #450

This is why I love America and the American cops like this one...

Get out of the car.

No.

Get out of the car.

No.


Bam...goes the window...

I didn't do notheeeng... ...goes the stupid woman who thought that cops and she were equals.




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