USA News and Poland - part 19

Let's assume this is correct, and, maybe it is-doubt it, but it's possible.

The logic is: Israel attacks Iran, Iran then attacks US assets in ME as retaliation for Israel attacks, so we had to preemptively attack Iran because we knew they would attack us because Israel attacked them.

Granted, I'm just a hick from fly-over country, but even in that logic the catalyst of any attack of US assets is Israel...or maybe I'm missing something.

Here's what I would have wanted: Israel says we're going to attack Iran, we say no because Iran will attack our ****, Israel says we'll going ahead regardless...at that point, we say, any attack in us because of your attack on them will be considered an attack by you and we not inly pull all aid but will bomb the **** out of you-even if Americans live in your country, that's their problem for choosing Israel over US.

Maybe Rubio and the gang coming out with this is the beginning of selling Israel as a bad ally to Am public?

Best post on this thread... You would think the forum Karen would want women liberated instead of blabbering about the Epstein files all the time.

Four years the Democrats were in control of the WH and Congress, but did nothing about the Epsteins when they were in power, why now?

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What am I saying...I shouldn't doubt it one bit.

@Joker

How does this benefit America? What actual threat is Iran to America? You do know this is about Israel hegemony...not American security or interest, right? What does Israel provide America...other than a vaccuum that sucks our money and sucks us into war?

spot the two yank israel first retards on this forum

You are not allowed to compare Golden Cow to Hitler.

Even when he acts just like Hitler

Iran has been enriching uranium well beyond civilian levels and ignoring repeated warnings. Whether you think it's about Israel or not, a brutal regime moving closer to nuclear capability is obviously a U.S. and world security concern. Pretending that has nothing to do with American interests is just ridiculous. They obviously learned nothing when Trump took out their nuke program as they started re-building it while lying as usual.


Thats great news from the worlds biggest Ahole!

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OK, so this threatens America how?

It doesn't even threaten Israel because they have nuclear weapons and would be able to respond to any such attack from Iran with much greater force. This is all, as AntV said, a question of Israel's hegemony over Middle East. Plus Epstein. Trumpenfeld is willing to murder schoolchildren and other civilians, and let the oil prices skyrocket causing a huge inflation, just to please his Zionist overlord Satanyahu and to distract people's attention from Epstein files. And you - supposedly a Christian - are defending it. Tsk, tsk.

Anyways, this phase of the First Zionist-Epstein War will last about 3-4 weeks before retards on both sides run out of drones and rockets; then there will either be boots on the ground or the 1st Z-E War will end. Not for long though because American economy will be in such state soon that the Second Epstein War will be necessary to distract the general population.

Retards... retards everywhere.

Well done Torq, you have invented some a gold acronyms the first Z-E war and the E War II, which will now circualate into general use. :)

It's not my invention. I am merely using creativity of true Americans who have the balls and decency to stand up to Trumpenbaum.

This Iranian fellow is good too...



... "Israel Firsters" lol xD. I prefer "MIGA retards" though.

Those Epstein Island videos are absolutely priceless for Israel. Ah, well...

Those two retards should listen to a real america first guy

@amiga500

From your video (1:43:09)...



... the text on the wall is a stylized excerpt from Isaiah 62:1 (KJV). The visible portion reads:

"For Zion's sake I will not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem'sake". The full verse is: "For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth". 0_0

They really are f*cked up in their heads. Seriously f*cked up. This is why heretics should be burnt at stake - so that things like that don't happen. This is why we needed Tomas de TORQuemada, so that the abominations like these do not breed on the face of the earth. But noooooo, burning people for their religious beliefs is bhaaaaad. :-/

@torq
i have an essay on christian zionism if you want a pdf :) check out youtu.be/JZxj_c0g5lU?t=772 12:53 for nice spiel about the isr nuclear program and jfk.

No, thanks. I'm annoyed enough as it is.

And it is not "Christian Zionism", it is "Protestant Zionism". They have as much to do with Christianity as moral decency has to do with Trump's inner circle.

Oh, I would want that, you idiot. I think not only my recent posts, but the ones that I wrote in the past on the subject of Iran has shown that. But in order to know that you'd have to read them and use your brain while doing so.

But in the past I wrote that I have doubts if getting rid of the leaders of the regime in Iran will be enough for this regime to fall and now after reading this article my doubts are even bigger (actually the situation seems to be even worse than I thought):

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According to a Polish expert on Middle East from the Jagiellonian University the opposition in Iran is weak and not organised. He says it's impossible for them to take over power in the nearest future.

Steven Erlanger, a journalist from "The New York Times", who was reporting on the Iranian revolution in 1978-79, echos the sentiment that it will be very difficult for the opposition to take over power. Regime's leaders and military commanders will be replaced. A system that's been created for 47 years won't fall apart that easily.

Aditionally, Trump said that this operation will last only a few weeks. The regime may wait this out. So it may be unlikely that people opposing the regime will have enough confidence to risk their lives and try to topple the regime. And will there be enough of people on their side? Who will lead them? Do they have any weapons? Did the US smuggle any weapons into Iran for the opposition or helped them in any way? Are there any supporters of the opposition in the Iranian army? Does the US know any of this?

Also, in another interview Trump apparently said that maybe this attack on Iran will last just a few days and he'll make a deal with the regime.
On another occasion he said that they had someone who could potentially take over power in Iran, but the strikes killed him lol

It looks like Trump's mind is all over the place, he doesn't know what he's doing and this whole thing looks like a not well thought through mess.

I don't know, maybe the opposition in Iran is so well hidden and secretive that nobody knows about it and we'll have a wonderful surprise once the strikes achieve their goals, but I'm afraid that's probably unlikely...

So I'm simply torn on this issue. On one hand I'd like the regime in Iran to fall (for everybody's sake, not only for women), but I understand that this may not be so easy and likely to happen as some Americans apparently think. This may turn into a bloody civil war or the regime will just stay in power and will retaliate against those Iranians who asked the US for help. I value human life, I'm not a sadist and I don't want Iranians to suffer even more for nothing. I don't want the US give them hope and then abandon them once the Trump administration realises that in order for the Iranian regime to fall American boots on the ground are needed.

Trump is unpredictable and him and his administration is untrustworthy, stupid, hot-headed, arrogant and they don't value human life. Those people are much worse than the previous American administrations and look how those previous administrations f*cked it up with Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm afraid that under this administration it can be only worse.

Of course, I hope that I'm wrong and, against all odds, this operation will turn out to be a success and the regime in will fall, Iran will turn into a democracy and the future for the Iranian people will be bright. I guess we'll see - there's no other choice now anyway besides waiting for the outcome...

at 29:40 Tucker says that mossad agents were areested in Saudi and Qatar planning bombings. not even suprising but to be expected.

47 years in the making. These POS have killed tens of thousands of their own people. They have sponsored terrorism around the world. And look who is upset. The left. Gutless, spineless, leftist scumbags. These same leftists that would allow for these same terrorsits to enter Europe and the United States to set about destroying the very fabic of what makes Europe and the US so incredible. I hope Trump takes out every fvcking one of their politicians over the next month. Every one of these hard line muslim freaks who supress womens rights and human rights in the name of Allah should be sent to meet Allah as soon as possible.

....and no plan what to do with a an Iran led by religions madmen in power of functional nukes.....only denial that this could ever happen!

Why all this sympathy for these nutters? And this total disregard for millions of Iranians who are happy that someone does actuelly something about these bloody murderers....I don't understand, truly....

Great, but what then? They will be replaced by new ones. And what then? Will Trump take out the new ones too? How long will the US be able to keep this going then?


I am not in denial that it could happen in the future. But my question is - what is the plan for toppling the regime in Iran? Does the US administration has any plan at all?


Ask Bobko and Torq. They aren't leftists.

I personally have zero sympathy for the Iranian regime.

And, btw, in January when the protests in Iran were being bloodily suppressed I wanted for the US to intervene and I was wondering what Trump was waiting for...

And recently I've watched an interview with another expert - dr Agnieszka Bryc from Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń and she said that that was the time for an American intervention. That Trump wasted "a window of opportunity" back in January when the protests were at their height and the regime could fall. Trump encouraged the protests to keep going and Iranian people believed him - that there will be an American intervention. So they kept protesting and getting killed in thousands. But the US didn't intervene and Trump started negotiations with the regime. So now Iranians may feel betrayed by Trump and they may distrust him. They will sit and wait and observe what's going to happen in order not to die in vain again.

That expert concluded that it's probably too late now. The regime change won't happen thanks to air strikes. A land operation is needed - American boots on the ground. And that means Iraq all over again - but worse. Iranians are not a small nation and Iran is not a small country. Iran has a bigger population than Germany. Imagine making a land invasion of such a country and trying to occupy it. Iraq was half the size with half of the population of Iran and the US had help from other countries.

I have no idea....but at one point the people have to put in themselves. The alternative would be "boots on the ground", an international led occupation...but frankly there I would draw the line too....that most probably won't happen.

But there exist an iranian opposition, most organized in exile, like Germany or Britain....they have to act now! There won't get another, better chance then now....

Do you not argue that women should be kept barefoot and in the kitchen?


I dont know anyone with sympathy for the Iranian regime. I know plenty of people from left right and centre who object to illegal wars.

Okay.....maybe not direct sympathy but surely a huge antipathy towards Trump, so much that they don't even want him to succeed, right? And what is left? More killed Iranians, no hope, no end of this regime....

There are opposition forces to Turkey and Israel but they are suppressed by our freedom loving governments and people. When the Kurds trusted the west they were stabbed in the back as were the Palestinians.


With very good reason he is destroying everything they and their poodles claimed to stand for

Agreed!

But thats the thing, would our govs be more active, not to mention if that is possible, they would be met with a similiar hostility and resistance as Tump is now....you can do no right in the region, I guess the deciders who acted now did choose the lesser evil...there is no perfect solution!


What? Ending the Mullah regime?

And that's the problem. Dr Bryc said that for sure American air strikes were planned very well and the Israeli intelligence did a great job with getting the info about the targets, but majority of experts suspect that the US administration doesn't have a plan for overthrowing the regime. To me it also doesn't look like they do.


Yes, exactly. And I wrote what experts think about it. Opposition in Iran is weak and not organised.


And what are they supposed to do? They're not there on the ground in Iran. You can't overthrow a regime "remotely" from afar lol

Anyone interfering in other people's countries will face resistance. Occupied people have a right to resist both the occupation and the colonialism.

Trump or Israel have not provided a single shred of evidence to support their ever changing justifications for this illegal war. This means that Iran was not a credible threat despite their words

They may follow a false religion but this religion for them is merely a tool to stay in power. They are not madmen. Having nukes would safeguard their position as rulers of Iran for foreseeable future, and that's why they wanted them. Not to attack Israel and certainly not America. It would be suicide. They may use religious fanatics for their various puproses but they are not fanatics themselves.

So, as bad as that regime is, it is even worse to start wars at will for the sole purpose of ensuring Israel's hegemony in the region. Also, if we cry for Ukrainian children and other civilians killed in the war, why aren't we doing the same for Iranian civilians (or Palestinian for that matter)? Aren't we all just horrible hypocrites?


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PolAm speaking up for women's rights! I've seen it all now...

How have revolutions historically happened? People rising up...killing the heads in power is a huge step already....what is left are the followers like the so called "revolutionary guards"...they have to decide now on much lower power levels where to go, dying for whats left of the Mullahs or laying down their weapons, maybe even giving them to the opposition....both is possible right now, but a better chance to end the Mullah regime the iranian people won't get anytime soon!


Did you try saying that to the face of the happy dancing people in the streets....waving US and Israeli flags for giving them hope....thanking Trump??? No?


Well....maybe they shouldn't have had talked so much about destroying Israel and the US.....but thats what they did and promised and threatened for years now!

@Barney
No dumbass, I argue that traditional roles are whats best for families and children.

@Paulina
Maybe Trump was late to the party. Maybe not. But who ever is in control of Iran next will likely rethink their position of "Death to America". Which is essentially Death to Europe. How long can the US go taking out the trash? My guess is this is over in two months. The new missiles they are using for the first time are pretty precise, and I dont see anything else like them in the world. So Iran leaders should be concerned.

There were even more people protesting against the aggressors. This is not all black and white, BB.

And if we agree that countries can start wars at will just because they can, that's the thin end of the wedge that could completely undermine international norms (which have been enormously "stretched" already). On what grounds then can we criticise Putin's actions in Ukraine?

No. We definitely shouldn't support this war of Israeli dominance which they conduct with the aid of their American vassals.


Oh, come on - that's like Kaczyński talking about Germany. Just a domestic support stunt.

It's more than that, Torqi....its pure self defence!


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