2016 Presidential Elections in the US

They are looking at it as the least of two evils as you see some of Hillary's sins that I posted back in post 531.
No Danny it is actually the Socialists Hillary and Bernie that have attracted the low information voters that are voting for a living instead of working for a living.
You however trying to give your expertise opinions on American politics is as laughable as me trying to give an expert opinion on the PiS and Kaczyński.
And you being a Scutish citizen and trying to be an expert on both Poland's and American political parties really is most humorous.
Let me tell you what you tell me all the time, "You don't live here, never have stepped foot on American soil and never will."
Danny you show your ignorance as an uninformed voter when you post your self opinionated expertise on Trump.

Use the posters username when referring, or this thread might get closed down.

Ahh ok idiot, as i said i was siphoning and caught a mouthful of fuel and swallowed a bit too, whilst trying to clear out my stomach from petrol the hose spilt a little bit on the grass....and killed it.


Not many really, yes I've heard the anti wind turbine crew describe them as bird liquidisers, but thats just bias really. Deforestation and pollution kill way more birds and other wild life than wind turbines bud. Did you start the one about wind turbines contributing to climate change as they slow the wind down as it hits the blades? thats something idiotic enough for you to spew.


We'll see about that. Ive been here for a while i assume you will be too, so lets wait and see shall we. Ive educated you Johnny........on plenty of things.


No, i read the first line and thought i wouldn't waste any more time, so didn't read it.


The Obuma crew. Its well amusing reading Facebook threads on Trump supporters....Well i say amusing its pretty terrifying really.

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I'd go to Matchbook that is offering 11/4 if I was to bet on that.

You are a cynical 'European', it doesn't work like that in the USA. Goes more like 'Yes we can - the American way'.
If Trump won't deliver people will be reacting to that after the fact not before.

You're contracting yourself here, on the one hand you are certain that he'll not deliver on his promises but on the other you are frightened. Even if Muslims won't be accepted as immigrants in the USA it doesn't mean the country will change into Nazi Germany - far from it.
As for Mexicans, it is more about illegal immigrants if there are no borders, no passports, no laws to be enforced - there is chaos.
Anyway Hispanic are a huge voting block not to be trifled with, so if there noting major to be afraid off but securing the border and deporting illegals.

You are missing the point here - it is about illegal immigrants , nothing else.

To be honest I don't understand your point of view. What being a humanitarian has to do with illegal immigration?

True, but you forgot to mention that these illegals are hired as farm workers, landscapers, construction workers and what not, and contribute big time to the local economy. They are exploited so that an American citizen or an American corporation can make a profit, or in some cases (like the small farmers) are able to run their businesses at all. The illegals pay billions a year through payroll taxes, but Trump doesn't talk about this, of course. It's all black and white: us against them.

Quote from an article published in 2013:
"Stephen Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration, told me that undocumented workers contribute about $15 billion a year to Social Security through payroll taxes. They only take out $1 billion (very few undocumented workers are eligible to receive benefits). Over the years, undocumented workers have contributed up to $300 billion, or nearly 10 percent, of the $2.7 trillion Social Security Trust Fund."

nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/do-illegal-immigrants-actually-hurt-the-us-economy.html?_r=0

Just...wait, one second. How the hell can someone hire an undocumented worker and still pay normal taxes for them?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Gray area...

immilaw.com/FAQ/Information%20for%20Employers%20Paying%20Wages%20to%20Illegal%20Aliens.htm
thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/04/11/How-Illegals-Pay-Billions-in-Taxes-and-Reap-Rewards
tpr.org/post/immigrants-working-illegall y-us-file-tax-returns-without-fear-deportation

What it has to do with me trying to explain that enforcing an immigration law has nothing to do with Hitler?
That is an old argument that goes to and fro, fact is that most people would support a stop to the process of people illegally crossing over to the USA regardless.

I don't understand. You said that "You are missing the point here - it is about illegal immigrants , nothing else." when you answered Chemikiem's question. I agreed with you, but also indicated that the discussion about illegal immigrants is just another of Trump's populist attempts to get the nomination. It's hot air because small farmers are dependent on the illegals, and the big agro businesses and other corporations also don't mind to hire them to increase their bottom line.

If it was only about Adolf, then sorry that I quoted you. My point still stands, though.

Yea except the above is what I was referring to so watch your mouth who your calling an idiot you liar.

Name three that were actually true.


While the Obama crew is badly educated they certainly are not supporting The Trumpster.
Hillary plans on taking over where Hussain left off.

Chemikiem's point is that she has no idea what she is talking about and merely trying to push my buttons again. Huh Pam.

Big deal as you are only talking that 60% of them that work, the other 40% are costing America immensely by having their noses in the public welfare trough.

How can an undocumented (an illegal) contribute into Social Security when they don't have a Social Security number ????
I do know that over $21 BILLION tax free money is being sent back to Mexico ever year by the illegals.
What does that take from our economy, what does the other 40% that don't work take from our economy, what does it cost to house them in our prisons, what does it cost to deport them, what are they really costing America ?
Push one for English........Trump will change that to, "Push one for Spanish".
This is what Poland is trying to avoid is a mess that they see happening in the EU and America with the unwanted immigrants.

Trump disavows the KKK.
"I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump said on CNN's State of the Union. "I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know."
After the broadcast, amid a torrent of criticism, Trump tweeted out his answer to a similar question during a Friday news conference - he said then he didn't know about Duke's endorsement, but "I disavow, OK?"
Proof President Trump isn't a racist.

Follow the links I posted. IRS and INS databases are not synced, it seems.

You call a politicians word proof, hey I'm going to go and tweet that i have super powers, there you go i wrote and said it therefore it must be true. Idiot.

If I'm debating with someone I don't understand I'm trying to understand their point of view. To that end I'm 'tuning' (that's my name for it) my posts.
Hence I'm not debating about my thoughts on Trump his platform or whether or not he will deliver all, half on his promises or maybe this is all just a hot air to gain support. In my convo with Ch. that particular issue is immaterial at the moment.


I think that IF he is going to be elected then as POTUS he WILL do something about stemming influx of illegals over the border. He might be not be able to do much due to undelaying factors an issues from which you named but few, but he'll definitely do something about it.
Apart from everything else it is in fact a simple issue of a border control and enforcing the law. Lots of people are getting hot under their collar, upset or whatnot even though it doesn't affect them directly,seeing in that racism, discrimination and the hell know what.
I wonder what they say about Britain not letting all these happy campers in France across to Britain? Isn't that a racist policy and discrimination? lol!

All that money spent on "Homeland Security" and yet they can't even sync such a basic thing?

You'd think after FACTA and all the rest of it, linking the IRS and INS databases would be common sense.

COULD WE PLEASE STAY ON THREAD HERE

I have to agree Ironside as the next two weeks will tell.
Cruz should take Texas as that is his home State but besides that it looks like Trump will take the rest of them.
From here on out it will go one of two ways in my opinion.
First is if Trump somehow loses the nomination he will go third party.
Second which is what it is looking like to me now is, if Trump is well in the lead by March 15 we will see a third party emerge.

I hear what you are saying TheOther and so do many in the GOP knowing Trump would tear the GOP apart for what it stands for.
(Not to mention giving him access to the RED buttons)
They will create a third party to defeat Trump's chance of being elected as Commander and Chief.
Some other flunky Republican-as-3rd-Party candidate would simply take votes from Trump, making it more likely that Clinton would win.
These guys don't think that their candidate will have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.
In other words, these Republicans would rather have Clinton for President than Trump, and they're going to be working to make that happen.
And if some vote fraud happens on election day...oh well, I guess the 3rd party candidate took some votes away from the Donald.
Ain't it great to be an American.

Seems so. If the GOP pushes through their man at the expense of Trump even though Trump clearly won the most delegates, then that 30% of Trump voters are going to stay at home on election day. End result is a Clinton landslide, and probably a devastating defeat for the GOP in other races too.

(even if you don't like Trump, it would be a total travesty for someone that won in such a way to be denied the nomination)

Whatever happens, Trump is going to get Clinton elected.

Obviously I haven't made myself clear.
Yes, I am frightened that Trump with his extreme views may end up getting elected, because he is little more than a racist, and when I made my comment regarding Polish immigrants, it was only half tongue in cheek. Who knows what sector of society he will pick on next after he's finished with the Mexicans and Muslims.
As to not delivering on his promises, especially with regards to the wall, it will be started because he will have to do it, but I'm certain it will be a white elephant project, and never completed. He isn't going to be able to stop the influx of illegal immigrants.

Fair enough.

You would think. In reality though, it's all about money. Like it or not, the illegals are an important part of the American economy. Trump can pretend to be tough on the issue as long as he wants, he will not be able to go against the corporate and political circles that are to this very day tolerating and exploiting the inflow of large numbers of illegal aliens. We are not talking peanuts here, we are talking tens of billions of dollars that are at stake.


Depends on whom you ask - Corbyn, Cameron or Farage...


True. His pledge to refrain from doing so isn't worth the paper it's written on.


Not before the election in November, but there is a chance that the divisions within the party (conservative evangelicals vs. Republican establisment vs. "independents") might tear the GOP apart afterwards.

No, he's just Politically InCorrect which you confuse with racist.

Hopefully anyone else who becomes a threat to America's security or economy like they have.
My guess though would be China with the unfair trade tariff's.
Why this wall is such an issue with you when it is one of the lower priorities for our next president tells me one thing and that is you would be ecstatic to see America fail or in another word, "Jealous" as you will never be able to rid the invading immigrants burdens from your country.

Just because you couldn't stop the influx of "German Occupiers" into London doesn't mean America will fail like the EU has.
The influx has already started slowing because of the farms and companies that hire them are being fined for hiring them so in essence the jobs that use to be available are no longer available so they have packed up and went home on their own and quit coming like before.
The wall is being worked on and extended every day Pam. It is already 1/3rd completed.

He isn't being "tuff", he is being fair.
He has stated that the migrant workers are welcomed back to work "IF" they come into our country legally.

Nope because the GOP renegaded on their end of it which freed Trump from his promise.

I disagree with you on that.
I think you will start seeing Mitt Romney's name coming up in the near future for third party.

They've been headed for that for a while. It's pretty obvious that the view of the conservative evangelicals aren't going to win the Presidency, yet the Republican establishment can't bring themselves to accept that they desperately need a Republican version of Bill Clinton.

I wonder if we couldn't be in for the entertaining spectacle of the GOP running ads against Trump to try and protect their Congress members in November?

You are right and there is nothing more to be said about that issue.

I have a feeling we have had that debate before. Basically T. we are almost on the same page. However I unlike you believe that a president voted in the office on an anti-illegal immigration platform would have had enough pull to do more that you think is possible. Lets agree to disagree on this.

I'm sincere in my attempt to actually understand your point of view.

Thank you, finally I understood. It is not about politicks, facts or whatnot, it is after all about an ideology.
I'm curios though, what if Obama would have promised to introduce the same measures as Trump to curb illegal immigration? Would that make him a racist as well?

EXCELLENT POINT Ironside !

Obama is a racists without even bringing the Trump illegal immigrants measures into the picture.
Obama has turned Blacks against Blacks, Blacks against Whites, Blacks against the police, Blacks against Jews, Muslims against Christians, Christians against Muslims and on and on.
There is NO denying that Obama is much more of a racist then Trump ever was.
However notice how no one is talking about President Hussains seven years of total failures.

Don't forget he also deported more Mexicans than any other president... so much for his promise of 'fixing immigration' It still boggles my mind how people could have reelected him for a 2nd term.

Remember, He promised the low information voters free Obama Care.
People get sucked in by the drive by media just like they have on this wall issue when in reality the wall isn't the major issue.
It takes the focus off the major issues yet the low information voter get sucked in by the drive by every time.
Those voters soon found out that Obama Care cost them more then what hey had been paying plus they lost their Doctor that Obama promised them (seventeen times in his propaganda) that they could keep their family doctor.
Many of those liberal people that got lied to have now seen the light and are supporting the GOP this time around.

Problem with Obamacare is NOT the basic premise of universal health care, it's that those on the phone who represent the companies signing up with the plan are airheads who haven't any idea what they're doing!!!!

For this reason, the US is a laughing stock to many Europeans, especially the Germans, whose government takes relatively good care of its citizens.

'Course, we all know why socialized medicine wouldn't work as well here in the States. The answer is because our country is far too big, too socially uneven and too heterogeneous to conform to the expectations of a socialist-type state such as in the Scandinavian countries etc. Bernie still doesn't quite get it:-)

Hungary has fenced off its southern border and refuses to take in any non-EU migrants.
Now Germany is drawing up plans to shut down their borders to non- EU migrants.
If Hungry can build a fence to keep out migrants why can't Trump do it ?

Tomorrow is Super Tuesday and hopefully two or three more will drop out of the GOP race at days end.

It's not just Trumps' views on illegal immigration that bother me, it's his views on Muslims too. But to answer your question, if Obama were planning the same measures, my views would not change. I think it's a dangerous way of thinking when a person starts targeting certain sectors of society on the grounds of their race/ethnicity.
According to this article (2014), Mexican illegal immigration accounts for 49% of US illegals, almost half.
Although not mentioned in this particular article, the other half are coming from Asia, Central and South America. The 'other half' seems to be conveniently overlooked though.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

It's also a case of pot, kettle, black though where Trump is concerned. How can anyone take him seriously regarding illegal immigration when instead of giving jobs to US citizens for his past real estate projects, he gave them to undocumented and illegal Polish immigrants. Hypocrite much?