2016 Presidential Elections in the US

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Here's a news clip this a.m. that will make you Clinton fans happy.

Outside groups are moving to deploy more than $10 million in new attack ads across Florida and millions more in Illinois, casting Mr. Trump as a liberal, a huckster and a draft dodger. Mr. Trump's reed-thin organization appears to be catching up with him, suggesting he could be at a disadvantage if he is forced into a protracted slog for delegates.
And vote tallies on Saturday made clear that Mr. Trump has had at least some trouble building upon his intensely loyal following, leaving him increasingly dependent upon landslides in early voting.

Looks like people are starting to see through his political pot and pan banging of making America great again.

1/5 Americans are on food stamps, most Americans barely scrape by and demand 'free' healthcare, education, most do not work, travel, or live outside the US fir extended periods of time, and most Americans do not speak a 2nd language let alone 4 languages. Also, I wasn't even born in the US!
I think that makes me far from the average American. I think you're more American than I am - an uneducated liberal that makes baseless assumptions and resorts to name calling because you can't come up with a lucid argument.

You claim that I 'copied' everything so I gave you a good enough reason why I have no need to plagiarize. Still can't find the sources I supposedly copied everything from right?


Then shut up if you don't know what you're talking about!

Quite frankly, I never said I supported Trump, Cruz, or anyone else. I simply said I don't care who wins as long as it's not Hillary since she is a flat out liar and criminal.

It's funny how you guys keep blindly supporting Hillary but yet won't debate the fact that she is more scandal ridden than any other candidate.

I saw one of those Clinton commercials over the weekend - It wasn't so much about attacking Trump but rather just support for her.

It really is sad how even the GOP is now attacking Trump. Both the lobbyists, power brokers, and politicians in both parties are terrified of having someone in power whose influence can't be purchased.

I loved how a few years back even the Democrats' top consultant called votes stupid during the passing of the unaffordable care act - I feel like we're living in Absurdistan

nypost.com/2014/11/13/obamacare-architect-catches-heat-for-calling-voters-stupid/

Check out this Clinton vid - apparently by Cruz

redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/02/12/office-space-hillary-clinton-msnbc

You notice that too.
They are gun ho on running down the GOP in anyway they can and NONE of them ever come to the defense of Hillary or Hussain Obama.
See the way it works here on the Polish Forum Adrian is that the loudmouth Bullies main tactic in debating is to keep YOU on the defensive defending yourself.
Try to put them on the defensive and they change the subject back to you and your statements.
If that doesn't work for them and you have their ears pinned against the wall they then either come out swinging and swearing and if that doesn't work they PM their buddies for re enforcements and they gang up on you.
Welcome to the PF Adrain and good luck with their high school debating tactics..........
P.S. I am sending you a PM

No more "President Trump" from you? There is hope...


Need a shoulder to bawl on? These imaginary loudmouth bullies you are seeing everywhere are of course much, much worse than the loudmouth Johnnys of this forum, right?


LOL! Be careful, Adrian, he's sending you detailed instructions on how to deal with the "evil Brit Bullies" and also a form that you will need to join the local chapter of the KKK. Watch the video in #657 to understand whom you're dealing with... :)

Why insinuate that when I have repeatedly told you that I voted for Rubio.
Does President Trump really scare you that much ?

No but these new people need a heads up on your high school tactics.
They can decide for themselves scaredy cat.

Gee son, you feeling a little guilt there. lol
Adrian seems like a big boy and I am sure he will decide for himself in what I sent him.
How long do you think it will be before Hillary gets indicted ?

As long as Trump or Sanders win, hell even Cruz - Hillary is a devil spawn and you can actually see it her eyes - something lizardy.

Because you were the one who brought up "President Trump" on a regular basis? I know that you've said you are for Rubio, but your remarks about Trump suggest otherwise.


See, then why do you constantly mention your personal problems with those imaginary bullies?


Not really, I'm not a Pom... :)


I doubt she will be. With the GOP establishment opposed to a Trump candidacy, I could even imagine that certain circles in the Republican Party will cover her behind.

Why do people automatically assume that just because someone support Trump or the GOP, leans to the right, votes republican, or even is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment that they are automatically a member of a supremacist organization? Just because a good percentage of us don't support illegal immigration or love multiculturalism doesn't make us racist. Even Louis Farrakhan, a prominent Black Muslim leader, supports Trump more than any other candidate for the very reason that Trump is the least likely to get influenced by lobbyists, specialist interest, and Zionist money.

That'd be like if I generalized all democrat males as cuckold, bicycle riding, tofu eating hipster and the democrat females as false rape statistic perpetuating feminazis. Not every Democrat is like that and not every Republican or Trump supporter is racist. This is a tactic used all the time by the left when one doesn't agree with Obama... Hate the unaffordable care act? Congrats, you're a racist... ****** about Obama's failed stimulus? Whoops, you hate black people! Don't like your children seeing dudes in speedos making out in public? You're a total bigot!

I personally love Mexicans who are here legally because the vast majority actually work long hard days and don't complain that they only received $10 or $12 an hour. They're grateful to be in the US and they're not complaining that they have to work in a field or hot kitchen for a low wage. They're just happy to have a job. Many do their best to learn the language, form a small business, raise a family, and make a better situation for themselves now that they're in the U.S. They're not out marching because some teenage Latin King got shot because he tried to pull a gun out on a cop. They don't care - in fact many in private will tell you they are happy because it's one less gangster that will terrorize the neighborhood and extort their own people. The vast majority are private people that don't get involved in b.s. and want to just be left alone to go to work, raise their kids, drink some cervesa and play futbol. They are the total opposite of the citizens who were born here and speak the language yet they rather get by on welfare, food stamps, and section 8 and on top of it have the nerve to demand more and blame the rich white man for holding them back. They demand more and more but are unwilling to put in anything themselves. If I asked the landscapers on my block if the white man was holding them back I guarantee they'd say no, the white man employs us, the white man gave me a loan to buy a house or start a business, etc.

Also, I don't understand why whites are so much more easily to be considered racists than any other group. There are dozens of black pride, brown pride, asian pride, gay pride, jewish pride, etc. organizations but God forbid you make a white pride organization. Even if said organization is strictly opposed to violence or racism, it appears that now whites are essentially forbidden to congregate and organize with their own kind. Of course if they do organize, you can bet that the organization will be on the radars of the ACLU, the ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and even the FBI.

Look at some of the people at Tea Party rallies, read up on those militia idiots in Burns, listen to Trump or Cruz, and you'll know the answer.


Such as?

Yes, it's true. However, you are typically racist, even down to the "I'm not racist, but..." line used.


Nothing says "racist" more than someone that talks about Zionists.


Notice how he only was for Rubio when it looked like Rubio was actually going to win. Otherwise, he was President Trump all the way ;)

Well than the UN must be racist too... United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379, adopted on November 10, 1975 by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), "determine[d] that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination".

Where did I write that 'I'm not racist but...?' The only groups of people I despise are Zionists and welfare/section 8/food stamp recipients that complain about their situation, demand more from the government, and blame others for their situation.

Hating Zionist and being anti-Semitic are two different things... in fact even true religious Orthodox Jews would agree with me as they are opposed to the Zionist policies of Israel and even some the existence of Israel as a state

nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

truetorahjews.org

Classic racist, trying to justify racism by pointing at others being racist too.

Please explain to me how being anti-zionist is being racist...

Did you not read what that resolution stated? The majority of the UN agreed that zionism is racist, hence if anything, that would show I'm actually against racism. By using the UN example, it automatically makes your argument invalid since this would clearly show that like the UN, I myself, regard zionism with racism.

Zionism by definition is a nationalist and political movement. That would be like saying well, you don't like republicanism, so you're a racist.

Here's another good article arguing that Zionism is a racist nationalist political movement and ideology:

mondoweiss.net/2009/03/foxman-is-zionism-racism-you-bet-it-is-all-nationalism-is/

Besides... this is a discussion about donald trump, politics, hillary, campaigns, etc.

I mentioned Zionism in post 669 in the context that Trump flat out told these groups that he doesn't want their money. My exact sentence was - Even Louis Farrakhan, a prominent Black Muslim leader, supports Trump more than any other candidate for the very reason that Trump is the least likely to get influenced by lobbyists, specialist interest, and Zionist money. That is a bold thing to do as AIPAC is arguably the most powerful lobby in the US. Also I never wrote the words 'I'm not racist but...' in the that post..

Automatically, you take a sentence like that to mean racism. Yes, I am against zionism as it is an aggressive, supremacist ideology and political movement that has created apartheid (which even Israelis admit) for the Palestinians but that is beside the point. In that post, I was referring to Trump not being influenced by outside groups unlike candidates like Hillary and even sadly a lot of the GOP which is why I feel they're lashing out at Trump now. However, I did not go on and on about Zionism... I only brought it up after you said I was racist.

Now that is has been brought up, I don't see how Zionism is any different to the political and ideological movements of the white supremacist organizations like the KKK and even the governments of apartheid South Africa. They share a very similar ideology only it's different groups of people. I'm sure if I was decrying the atrocities of black Africans under apartheid in South Africa you'd be giving me a thumbs up. However, what the Palestinians endure under the Israeli government is just as bad if not worse. Even Haaretz - possibly the most Jewish newspaper admits this -
haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.671538
You should read this and do some independent research on Israel, Zionism, and the Israel-Palestine conflict - maybe then you'll see that the abused has turned into the abuser.

Voting record for resolution 3379:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379#Voting_record_for_Resolution_3379

Sponsoring: (25) Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Cuba, Dahomey, Egypt, Guinea, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Yemen Arab Republic, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Yemen, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, and United Arab Emirates.

In favour: (72) The 25 sponsoring nations above, and additionally 47 nations: ... cropped

Hmmmmm ... wonder why the resolution was accepted ... and of course no political agenda involved ... :)

I agree with you though that being anti-Zionist is not the same as being antisemitic.

Crikey dude, obviously i was referring to your opinions not the text. Somebody really would have to be a complete moron to copy and paste all their replies here from some other source.


Expensive secondary education is not solely responsible for intelligence or knowledge, you either are smart or you're not, knowledge can be gained from credible sources. Genetics being affected by financial superiority would be negligible in the grand scheme of things. Thats a very stupid thing to comment.


Ahh hes playing the semantics game.

So, if i talk about Porches in a positive manner for a few thousand words:......about how i love the aesthetics, the power, the German engineering, the superb reliability and then somebody asks "so which model would you buy?" and i then turn around and say "ohh i never actually said i would buy one": you might be a little WTF.

I'm going to write this one last post on this topic and that's it... I really don't want to go on and on about on this topic as this discussion is focused on Donald Trump, hence it's name. Now this has turned into a discussion about is Zionism racist or not. I just want to point out a few things about the state of Israel, their Zionist government, and aggressive supremacist Zionist policies. Even the US has lambasted Israel in certain cases - of course the media won't discuss it though or show dead Palestinian children on TV...

Me being against the Zionist policies of Israel that make life an utter hell for Palestinians (both Muslim and Catholic) does not make me a racist. It's unfortunate that the media's unwavering support for Israel has gotten to you so bad that you don't even question things like this.

Yes a lot of those countries sponsoring that specific bill were Arab countries but I mean those in favor like China, Mexico, India, Grenada, Cyprus, etc. I don't really see how they can gain much for labeling a movement as racist. That's like if India, Maldives, and Brazil voted to label the KKK as racist. So let's take a look at some UN Security Council Resolutions - of which the US, a huge Israel supporter, is part of

The Democrats blindly support Israel while decrying Arab countries for limiting human rights. Well, look how strict the laws for marraige are in Israel - state of Israel essentially won't allow you to get married unless both parents are Jewish... Can you imagine if there was a law in the US right now preventing a white person and a black person from getting married? Well, such laws exist in Israel.
haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-1.596576
timesofisrael.com/why-is-there-no-civil-marriage-in-israel/

Would you support a country that kills US troops? Probably not. Well, most of you support Israel
IDF forces even killed a bunch of American troops and sank the USS liberty yet we still send them $30 bil a year. The Navy covered up this whole affair and the DoD refused an investigation wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html
usslibertyveterans.org/

Israel is in the process of passing laws which would allow for only males 50 and over to worship at the Al Aqsa mosque, make stone throwing at IDF forces a terrorist crime punishable by up to 15 years in prison with a bare minimum of 5, and also the government has publicly stated that hunger strikes by Palestinians are a form of terrorism... so they're even taking away people's right to non-violent protest
jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Increased-penalty-for-rock-throwing-becomes-law-431843

So let's take a look at other UN resolutions against Israel...
entire list - there has to be at least 100 -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine

Here's some of my favorites - If you go to the bottom there is whole list of UN Security Council Resolutions - this means even the US is against Israel's actions in some cases.. If you scroll through these though they're awful - massacres of students, forced deportation, refusing benefits to parents of a kid who threw a stone at a tank, bulldozing of homes, illegal settlements, i mean the list goes on and on..
Resolution 592: " ... 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Birzeit University by Israeli troops".
Resolution 515: " ... 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in" - starving civilians... very nice Israel
Resolution 518: " ... 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon". Israel essentially refuses to leave Lebanon - there were several resolutions prior to this asking IDF forces to leave
Resolution 487: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility" - This was a peaceful reactor built by the French and registered with the International Atomic Energy Association. It was proven that this reactor did not have the capacity to produce nuclear weapons.
Resolution 476: " ... 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'". - Tell that to the Zionist government that keeps building illegal settlements in the West Bank and bulldozes innocent civilians homes.
Resolution 465: " ... 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program". - another one about illegal settlements
Resolution 672 (12 Oct 1990): " ... 'condemns' Israel for "violence against Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount. -
Resolution 1397 (12 Mar 2002) the first resolution to explicitly call for a two-state solution.

No matter how you look at it... Israel is responsible for countless atrocities against women, children, innocent civilians, and even US soldiers. I do believe that the Jews deserve their homeland that's not the issue. Now that they do have it though, the Zionist government flat out refuses to abide by a two state solution and respect the Palestinians. The media will have you think that the Israelis are the ones suffering under home made missle attacks when that is far from the truth and a totally disproportionate representation of the real situation.

It's the same thing in the US - we took the Indian's land but at least they still have reservations and aren't treated as 2nd class citizens and killed by the armed forces on a regular basis. Well, Palestinians and anyone that gets in the way of Zionist expansion is treated as a 2nd class citizen and may get killed. This is the political Zionism formed by Theodore Herzl that I am against.

I am done talking about this in this thread... can we please go back to Trump, Hilary, etc.

Ha ha ha ... do you live on the dark side of the moon?


Sure: why didn't Trump distance himself from the KKK right away? Oh, that's right, "bad earpiece." LOL! Could it be that he believes they are one of the totally harmless, non-violent, non-racist white pride groups you were talking about earlier? Just wondering...

When I asked you what exactly did I plagiarize, you wrote that i copied everything, absolutely everything! So now you're saying my own opinion is not my own? Why would I bother arguing for an opinion that isn't mine in the first place?


Actually I grew up in a poor immigrant family. I paid my own way through college. Being smart and having knowledge are two different things. I know plenty of people that are very booksmart, or knowledgeable, on certain topics but aren't smart enough to follow a simple cooking recipe or wise enough to realize that they email stating they have a fortune waiting for them in Nigeria is bogus. Going to College not only makes you knowledgeable on the major of your choice but also grows your wisdom and street smarts in the sense that you are more exposed to dealing with different people and exposing yourself to new ideas, new places, etc. No, you don't have to go to college to be smart, wise, or even knowledgeable, but it certainly helps as you're essentially forced into experiencing new things.


I didn't go talking about Trump in thousands of word. I simply stated I trust him the most out of the candidates since he is the least likely to be influenced by money from outside groups. I also mentioned that one posters comparison of Trump and Hitler was kind of dumb. That'd be like if I compared Hillary to Kim Jong Il because they both lie to their people, their supporters are brainwashed, and they throw people in jail who are against them. Again, amusing but not a good comparison at the end of the day. What I did write a thousand words on was that Hillary is a scandalous liar and criminal and even her supporters here won't debate on that because they know it's true. I stated I don't really care who wins as long as it's not Hillary.

Quite frankly, I won't even vote because it's pointless to where I live. I live possibly the 2nd or 3rd most democratic state in the US. The way the electoral college is set up makes my vote not count unless I lived in a swing state.

Also, as far as your example, I love Ferraris and Patek Phillipe's and could probably write technical reviews as good as an engineer or watch smith but I cannot afford a $250k car or a $70k watch. In the same sense, I applaud Trump for not being 'bought' in the same sense that I applaud Sanders for some his ideals. I don't agree with everything they say. Plus, it doesn't matter if I vote anyway as I do not live in a swing state.

Adrian you sound like a very smart kid then the bunch here,are you really 27?
I totally agree with your post man.

Not in my areas... I do know in Canada that is a big issue although still the treatment the natives receive in Canada (or even the US) pales in comparison to that which the Palestinians receive in Israel...

Around the Midwest the Native Americans have huge casinos with special tax arrangements. They also have many businesses where they can take advantage of their unique tax situation like pay day loan companies. Either way, I don't see the US army bulldozing teepees in droves or destroying their casinos with drones. I don't see forced apartheid where native americans can't go on 'white only' streets, shopping malls, etc. and will be jailed or shot if they don't comply. I don't remember any time in my life that a bunch of native americans were massacred by the US army or by the Canadian army. I do however recall Palestinian homes being bulldozed, indiscriminate bombing, and thousands of Palestinian deaths in my lifetime though.

And yet you have nothing to debunk it.

Thanks much appreciated bud. Yes, I was born in 1988 - I'll be 28 in April actually. I'm young but I look old lol. I guess a diet of coffee and Marlboro Reds makes you age quicker.

Same here on the West Coast. The Native Americans do own their casinos and make a buck or two, but if you look at the reservations with their extraordinary high crime rates and their drug problem you will easily understand why they will never ever be considered first class or even second class citizens in their own country. I know a few elderly Native Americans who refused to live on their reservation in a house paid by the tribe simply because the social problems are too severe. Are these the - excuse my French - welfare f*ucks that some Republicans complain so loudly about?


No need for violence. Just pass a law that allows corporations to open casinos outside of reservations. Happened in WA or OR, if I recall correctly.

...Johnny, ya mean like the late Senator Paul Wellstone, trying to do some good so then gets mowed down by some right wingers??? Or FDR himself, almost assassinated once in '38 at a rally in Chicago for his (thank G_d, successful!!!) re-election, whereupon the bullet hit the then Polish-born mayor Anton Czermak??

YOU need to have a reality check there, friend! The Reps want to roll back the clock to a time when most people had nothing.

Well, we're not gonna let it happen on our watch. First it begins with proper parenting, reminding our kids that they are NOT perfect little beings, but imperfectly perfectable creations of the Lord. Second, churches and synagogues have to start preaching the right message to their flock, namely, that life is neither one big fat joy ride through space and time, nor a spectator sport, but instead a SHARED mission of seriousness, from which pleasure is wrested, but not expected. Finally, our political leaders must follow the real meaning of the "American Dream" as outlined by Roosevelt and others like him.

Only then, will the Trumps be defeated. Looks like even the right wing is smartening up to the evils and schemes of THE DON.
:-)

The Other...

I stated that the Native Americans DONT get their Casinos or homes destroyed by the US or Canadian military... However, the Palestinians DO have their homes and businesses destroyed by the IDF.. I don't want to now start talking about Native American history in the Western Hemisphere.. I am not writing any more about Native Americans, Jews, drones, Casinos, Palestinians, Zionists, or anything else.. We went from Trump being Hitler, to not accepting Jewish money, to me being a racist, to now native american casinos on reservations... you guys go ahead but I'd rather discuss politics, Trump, Hillary, etc.

First it begins with proper parenting, reminding our kids that they are NOT perfect little beings, but imperfectly perfectable creations of the Lord. Second, churches and synagogues have to start preaching the right message to their flock, namely, that life is neither one big fat joy ride through space and time, nor a spectator sport, but instead a SHARED mission of seriousness, from which pleasure is wrested, but not expected. Finally, our political leaders must follow the real meaning of the "American Dream" as outlined by Roosevelt and others like him.

The issues are the following:
1. Ever hear of seperation of Church and state or perhaps even of free speech? Ever read the Constitution or the bill of rights? We already have Political Correctness, according to your idea we need Religious Correctness now too. I'm sure the atheists will love hearing sermons on how were '... creations of the Lord' What exactly is the right message and who determines that? Would each religion have their own 'right message'?
2. The American Dream is dead as is the middle class.. The Republicans are trying to bring back the middle class through lower taxes, curtailing the bloated bureaucracy and allowing the free market to thrive... gone are the days of a male breadwinner being able to support a family like under FDR, gone are the days where you could get a good job right out high school (even now it's hard to get a good job after college). We are not in those days. Welcome to the times of printed money controlled by Fed, bloated bureaucracy funded through taxation, and no gold standard with the only thing propping up the USD is it's popularity as a worldwide currency. Once the popularity of the dollar goes down and other basket currencies take its place, the US is done. The founding fathers fought so hard against establishing basically the equivalent of the Federal Reserve but Woodrow Wilson allowed it and ever since then the US dollar (of course proportionate to the Consumer Price Index) has gone down drastically. The most common estimate is that the dollar has lost 95% of its value (against relative to the Consumer Price Index - i.e. the common price of goods) since 1913. In addition to the Fed, prior to 1933, people carried gold and silver coins and could freely trade one for the other. Then of course in 1933 the government changed this practice. The dollar immediately fell over 40% the year this policy was instituted but it didn't fall too bad until after 1971 - the year the government closed the 'gold for dollars' program. The dollar was worth about 1.5 grams of gold from 1900 to 1933, then about one dollar for 900 mgs of gold from 1933 to 1971. Since 1971 the dollars value to gold has fell drastically. The dollar is currently worth around 25 milligrams of gold. Keep in mind too the price per mg/gram/ounce of gold is much higher now than in the 1970s. That means it takes even more useless dollars to buy the same amount of gold.
3. 'SHARED mission of seriousness' how you do know who's putting in their fair share? The Communists and Socialists tried to do this and this didn't work. Why should I plow my field longer than you if I won't end up with anything extra?

Fella, just 'cuz one group failed doesn't mean the next group's gonna!

Fact is, I'm tired as well of "special programs" empowering incompetents, merely aka solely based upon their ethnicity as oppressed minorities, but in the aftermath of the Third Reich, the hell I'm a-gonna vote a Trump into office!! For the umpteenth time, tough times call for well-thought-out measures, not quick-fix horse trade-type deal making:-) It's soooooo easy to scapegoat others.

You're right - but it makes it that much harder to fix the last groups problems. It makes it much harder for the new administration to control the debt when the guy before him just got done tripling it.