2016 Presidential Elections in the US

Nope, you are a German who claims to be an Australian living in California.

I already defended myself against that lie twice now when I told you to go read the post from the start of this thread to make you out as the liar you are.
Why do you continue to lie to belittle people delph ?????

You do know that delph is Jewish don't you Adrian.

I have told you several times now that I voted for Rubio but this tread is about Trump and since you said that you refuse to vote you really have no right to belittle the candidates.
You don't want to vote then shut your mouth about the elections.

There are a whole lot of people that you want to belittle with words like racist, bigot, homophobic just because they talk the truth which you can't argue so you turn to name calling. Pfffft !

Well of course delph can't because how do you debunk the truth ?

Because they can't debate the truth so they use their crutch words thinking they are belittling your opinion.


What did I tell you Adrian......."stupid", "moron" and idiot will be his next insult.

I am on board with Adrian 100% too Porky Pok. Nice to have a breath of fresh air here isn't it.

No, as the Indians have their own schools, own police, own land, own health centers, own welfare system all paid for by the Casino's, not by the American tax payers.

I have tried to explain that to him a hundred times but he is camped on the New Deal and never mentions the success of Reaganomics.
Guess that isn't taught in the liberal school systems today by college professors that Lyzko claims to be.

Libs pat answer......."That was Bush's fault"..... lol
You won't get the Liberal Socialist here to comment on that Adrain as again we are back talking about the truth.
Can't argue the truth.
These liberal low information voters are hopelessly brainwashed past the point of much hope.
They are all getting very nervous however that President Trump may uphold the Constitution and put Hillary in prison for her crimes.

Oh shi*t, you've caught me. Now that you know the "truth", how about you have your coming out as well? ROTFL!


Pinocchio is on the roll again. Take your pills, grandpa.


Not all tribes have casinos, old chap, and even if - only unused casino profits are evenly split among tribal members (so-called payouts). Here, educate yourself:

nrcprograms.org/site/DocServer/FUNDING_FACTS.pdf?docID=1441

Quote:
"The National Indian Gaming Association reports 562 tribes in the U.S. Only 223 of them have casinos, and of those, only 73 give per capita payouts."

Why, you would just call me a liar.

I don't do them designer drugs like all you kids do.

No need, I already answered your question with a NO.

Your turn, "Do you think President Trump will really put Hillary in prison for all of her crimes ?"

Come on, Johnny. Now that you blew my cover, why don't you let the crowd know that you are actually my neighbor here in "Commiefornia", as you prefer to call our great Golden State?


I was talking about your constipation medicine. You're always so grumpy when you haven't taken a dump in the morning. :)


Which was the wrong answer, as you would've easily found out by reading the document I linked.


Drumpf is a personal friend of the Hildabeast. Do you really believe that one billionaire will harm a fellow multi millionaire?

TheOther - I was comparing the treatment of native americans in the US/Canada to the treatment of Palestinians in Israel. Yes, native americans don't have it that great, but compared to the way Palestinians live in Gaza and the West bank it is night and day. There aren't laws in the US and Canada prohibiting marraige of natives, prohibiting what roads they can drive on, prohibiting an entire race from having weapons, and most importantly the US/Canadian military isn't killing natives by the hundreds or even thousands.

Here is quote from George Soros for you delph:

"Neither Israel's policies nor the critics of those policies should be held responsible for anti-Semitism. At the same time, I do believe that attitudes toward Israel are influenced by Israel's policies, and attitudes toward the Jewish community are influenced by the pro-Israel lobby's success in suppressing divergent views."

You should read Norman Finkelstein's Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. In it he describes how supporters of Israel will resort to calling anyone an anti-Semite to discredit them, like you have, in an attempt to suppress criticism of the Israeli government and Israeli policies. This was especially prevalent during the inftifadas and Israel's occupation of Gaza. Even the group 'Jewish Voice for Peace' states labeling critics of Israel as automatically anti-Semite is invalid and a cop out.

Are the Orthodox Jews that are critical of Israeli policies also anti-Semites? Oh wait there's a category for those people, I forgot, they're 'self hating Jews' according to Abe Foxman of the ADL.

Even Noam Chomsky argued against Prime Minister Abba Eban's statements that anti-Zionism equals anti-Semtism and called this a 'convenient stand since it cuts off essentially 100% of critical discussion'

Don't you find it strange that Israel has had more resolutions against it than ANY other country - I believe roughly 240-250 or so? 19 Resolutions were passed in just 1 year! Don't you find it strange that the UN Commission on human rights has adopted 4 resolutions against Israel - the most of any country - by comparison North Korea, Burma and Cuba have only had 1 each. Also, Israel is the only democratic country that does severely restricts what human rights organizations can and cannot do.

I'd like to add I actually have some Jewish blood from my grandma's side (father's mother) and I also date a Jewish girl. I work for a company with 35 sales offices around the world (sadly, Poland isn't one of them.. but they are in Italy, Russia, and Denmark) and frequently travel to Tel Aviv for work. I have seen a lot of these issues first hand. I have been to Beirut as well (vacation not work). I have seen the apartheid and I have seen the camps full of Africans being paid by the government about $1 an hour to dig ditches disregarding their own minimum wage laws. The government tells the US and Europe to accept refugees and accept the gays yet they refuse to and forget about marrying outside your race, let alone with the same sex I often travel with my girlfriend, who despite being Jewish, had rocks throw at her and had to get stitches because her hair was showing or she did some other grave offense.

ADL
Yes, rich people screw each other all the time. Trump essentially 'had to' support the Dems in NYC to get ahead.


It's funny because when Obama publicly stated that Bush raising the debt by $4 trillion was 'unpatriotic' and 'irresponsible.' What adjectives would you use then Mr. Obama to describe your raising of the debt by $20 trillion (another $1.5 trillion was approved on top of the $18.5 he already spent)?

youtu.be/1kuTG19Cu_Q

How's that stimulus working out for you guys?

One of the funniest, or rather saddest, parts of the stimulus was the handling of funds given to energy companies. One notable example is A123 - a battery maker that receives $250 Mil in government money. Well, that company shortly after receiving funds laid off 125 workers and lost over $100 mil in just the first quarter of 2012 alone. The Chinese were interested in purchasing the company but the US was worried about this so they kept pouring in millions into the failing company. Well, the company declared bankruptcy (they received an $1 mil in stimulus money the day they filed bankrucpty I may add) and ended up getting purchased by a Chinese conglomerate at an auction anyway.
There was another energy company with a similar name but I forgot the name of it. Basically, they received a bunch of funds and the Chinese purchased the company. The US loved what the Chinese did with the company so they bought back the company at nearly double what the Chinese paid for it about 1-2 years prior. I'll look up who this was..
Oh and don't forget about Solyndra - how did that work out for us? Aside from being a terrible investment, it didn't have any real effects on the environment or job market either. It just made a few shareholders wealthy when they bought stocks prior to receiving the funds and shorted shortly after.

I honestly think Obama would've wasted less money if he just put a couple million into a paper shredder every few hours instead of this bogus stimulus.

Adrian you keep bringing up Obama's failures that the drive by media conveniently forgets about.
Those are the things that have helped destroy America yet no one wants to talk about and just wants to forget them.
The Global Warming Hoax was/is a huge money maker for the fat cat billionaire liberals.
The Stimulus was another complete failure by Obama.
Obama's abortions are endless as he did/is doing everything he can to destroy America. (Redistribution)
The one I fear the most however is his racially dividing our country in the inner cities to explode into a blood bath.
Once that happens he can declare 'martial law'.
Once martial law is in place, not only does that allow him to take all the guns away from people but it also allows him to stay in office until order is restored which would be his call when. (A third term ?)
Even the 2016 elections have been turned into a racially motivated election. (Divide and conquer).
The 2016 presidential election is unfolding in Black and White in arguably the most racially polarized fashion in at least a generation.
Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton is making the most relentless pitch for African American votes while Trump is campaigning that
"All lives matter" as the White people are fed up with what our Racist Black Muslim President has done in dividing America.

Hate to disappoint you, old man, but global warming is no hoax! Many rightist republican fundamentalists believe it to be one, but of course, they're dead wrong.
You see, Johnny, under Reagan, education in America, especially in the sciences, was for all intents and purposes cancelled. Far too many Americans have traded in their brain for so-called peace of mind. What mind?? Seems that too, along with Elvis, left the building long ago:-)

Old man ! I have enough hair on my ass to make a blanket and you call me old man ? Pffff....punks today.
How many times have I posted this in this thread Lyzko ?


Yours is obviously one without any retention that is for sure.

Did you see now they are saying that Romney's speech actually helped Trump.
The wind changed directions again.
Can't wait for the results tonight.

The "wind" from Trump's political flatulence, you mean. Yes, he's mighty halitosious allright:-) S'ppose if ol' Don' elected, some of us'll havta walk around with a gas mask on twenty-four seven:-)

Hey Lyzko, are you talking about global warming as a natural process that has been occurring for millions of years before the existence of humans? and very well will continue to have periods of cooling and warming afterwards or the one about anthropogenic sources being the cause of global warming? we cant say for sure how much truth is in the second part it's only a hypothesis. I do believe this though, clearing away the forests is a bad idea.

I think he may be talking about the hoax one.
The Donald wins Michigan and Mississippi as I predicted.
People love him for stomping on the lefties political correctness.
I see Hillary took headlines again.
A tech company that paid Hillary Clinton $335,000 to give a speech in 2014 settled a dispute last week with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which claims the corporation repeatedly bribed foreign political officials to promote its products and gain a business advantage.
AGAIN !
Will she ever go to prison.

No not that one, the one which has made massive swings in less than 50 years which coincides with man's C02 emissions. The one which breaks records year on year as opposed to every thousand years.

Here's a good site on this debate - debatewise.org/debates/455-co2-does-not-cause-global-warming/ It shows both points.. although I don't think using wikipedia as a source is valid..

Personally, yes temperatures appear to be rising but that has been going on throughout the entire history of the earth. I think it's hard to debate that the Greenland glaciers aren't melting. However, whether C02 alone causes temperatures to rise... eh that's questionable.. and again this is just a THEORY it has not been proven to be 100% true, 100% of the time by the scientific method.

A brief article about a former scientist who use to believe that C02 was responsible for global warming -states that solar activity is more likely a cause for global warming and that C02 emissions are actually good for food production
usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/10/07/scientist-carbon-dioxide-doesnt-cause-global-warming

Even if C02 emissions were proven to be the cause of rising global temperatures (there isn't much science to support a direct correlation - yes there has been much research but the fact is global warming caused by c02 is still just a theory) so what? Wind and solar power actually doesn't make that big of a big difference in reducing C02 and actually oftentimes actually hurts the economy because countries have to shut down existing plants, fire workers and invest in brand new wind farms and solar panels. These facilities don't require as much labor to operate as say oil, coal, gas, or even nuclear.

I love it when I see a bunch of thick black smoke coming from Polish coal plants - that means my uncle still has a job! Poland's C02 emissions actually grew in the past 10 years.

euanmearns.com/co2-emissions-reduction-renewables-and-recession/

friendsofscience.org/ non-profit Canadian local engineers and scientists who believe that the Kyoto Protocol's scientific methods and the 'hockey stick graph' are dubious

Here's a video of an experiment testing the theory that CO2 helps plants grow - youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P2qVNK6zFgE

Makes sense... It's been a while since 8th grade science, but if I recall the process of photosynthesis is CO2 + H2O equals C6H12O6 (sugar - glucose) + O2.

I tend to think that taking my V8 filled with premium is giving more people jobs than if I took my bicycle to work. People, like idiots, rejoice when gasoline is very cheap but they don't realize how many local American jobs have been lost because of this. There is a point where gasoline and natural gas are affordable for consumers but high enough to keep energy company's from firing people.

I'm not for being 100% reliable on oil and coal or even gas. I do think that all countries should have a good mix of energy resources - including nuclear which often gets overlooked and I don't know why.

That's a strange argument, if you think about it. What does it hurt to take preventative measures (like shutting down coal fired power plants or reducing emissions of manufacturing plants)? If man made global warming is real, you'd have a fighting chance to stop it before it's too late. If it's a "hoax" as a certain group of people claims then you would at least end up with cleaner air and a modernized industrial base. It's a win win. The big corporations are fighting this with the help of their lobbyists in D.C., of course, because environmental protection costs money and cuts into their quarterly profits. That's the real reason behind the "hoax" claim. Americans are taken for a ride by the big corporations, and many don't even realize it.

If the GOP really wanted to, they could launch ad after ad about all the scandals Hillary has been involved in. I don't know why they don't unless they're just waiting to do that right before the election since those ads pricey. No Hillary supporter can even debate the fact that she is by far the most scandal ridden, two faced liar out of all the candidates. I just hope that the low information voters soon get inundated with constant ads showing all these scandals. Hillary makes Martha Stewart look like Mother Theresa.


The best renewable energy is arguably hydropower..


Um, how about the thousands of people that will lose their jobs? There's around 100k coal miners in Poland. Wind and solar are not labor intensive like coal or even natural gas and oil.

Obama tried to invest hundreds of millions into green energy, specifically solar power - it didn't work out well. I wrote about Solyndra and A123 earlier. The only people who really profit when countries invest in green energy, especially solar, are the Chinese.


Actually, in the grand scheme of things there wasn't a huge reduction in C02 in the EU when they implemented 'green energy' programs. Yes, the numbers did decrease a little but nothing too significant except for perhaps Denmark because they went all out with the green energy. The cost of this though is good paying jobs and government money that can be spent on more important things. I'm not against cleaning up the environment, but not at the cost of people losing their jobs and money being taken away from other programs. Yes, we should implement green technologies but gradually. Nuclear and even hydroelectric appear to be better options than wind and solar.

Here's a good article about the cost per megawatt hour in the EU for all energy types - renewable and fossil:

technologyreview.com/s/531841/why-solar-is-much-more-costly-than-wind-or-hydro/

new coal and natural gas plants in the E.U. have levelized costs of just over €50 ($64) (in 2012 euros) per megawatt-hour (assuming they are running at maximum capacity); onshore wind is around €80 ($102) per megawatt-hour; utility scale solar PV is about €100 ($127); nuclear power is around €90 ($115); and hydropower is as cheap as €10.

Come on, Adrian, you're better than that tired old argument. How about renewable energies create well paying, high tech jobs (for example in research and spin offs)? Despite: what does it help if you have a job, but your office is under water?

The corporations tried the same BS with the trans fats in our food. Do you remember the campaign in NYC and elsewhere proclaiming that "this is a free country and the people can decide for themselves what they want to eat"? Yeah, right. Trans fats are only in our food because they extend the shelf life of products significantly. The manufacturers kill you slowly so that the freakin' toast in the grocery store doesn't spoil that quickly and they can save a few cents, and people applaud them for that. Hoax as well?

Your rational amazes me, it really does........remember you mocking me for my Christian beliefs ? Let me rephrase your words.......
What does it hurt to take preventive measures, (to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior) ?
If Jesus is indeed real you'd have a fighting chance before it's too late.
If it's a "hoax" as a certain group of people claims then you would at least end up with a free invitation to eternity in heaven.
It's a win win
Exactly, you are covered either way if it is a hoax or not and Lord Almighty look at the consequences to that call verses shutting down some coal fired power plant ?????
Major on the Majors and minor on the minors.
Looks like President Trump all but has the GOP nomination sewed up.
I'll bet The Donald can't wait to debate with the Clinton Crime family.

Yes, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to eat what they want. If someone wants to be fat, we live in a society where they can munch of Doritos and use their car to drive two blocks.


See the problem is I wanted to look up how many jobs 'Green energy' provided in the US, but I couldn't. Do you know why? It's because Obama cancelled the BLS program that gathered and reported data and statistics on Green jobs. It's curious why he singled this specific industry this out. Could it be because it was a failure? I'd like to add that he cancelled the BLS's 'mass layoff statistics' program which gathered and analyzed data from people that were laid off, jobs that were cut, etc. and he also cut the International Labor Comparisons program so US citizens don't see that in fact many people outside the US are making more money. If that isn't censorship I don't know what is.

However, he's some statistics about just oil and gas extraction alone - 180k jobs - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES1021100001?data_tool=XGtable

This isn't some make-believe argument. There are thousands coal miners in Poland worried that they're going to lose their job because of EU initiatives. Remember the huge boom in North Dakota where thousands of unemployed men put up with subzero temperatures and living in barracks because they at least had a good paying job? Well, that's over because of the low price of oil and gas. The collapse in oil prices has been responsible for an estimated loss of 200,000 jobs. Chevron, BP and Shell alone laid of 18,500 combined in 2015.


Too bad we can't find statistics from the BLS about this because Obama decided to prevent anyone from looking up exactly what kind and how many jobs were created by his 'Green' programs. Perhaps in Silicon Valley there might be some R&D centers to make solar panels more efficient - I'm not arguing that. What kind of well paying high tech jobs exactly does renewable energy create? Yes there are going to be construction workers and maintenance guys for wind farms and perhaps some solar panel installation contractors in California, but I wouldn't call those exactly high tech jobs. Solar panel manufacturing is much larger in China than in the US.

Out of the top 10 richest companies in the world (by revenue), 6 of them are oil and gas companies. There aren't very many fortune 500 companies that are specifically in the green energy business. There are however about 77 companies that do use green power like wind and solar and there's a good chance they're doing that to get subsidies and government money. Also, their usage is VERY small. Those 77 companies, according to the EPA, use enough green energy in one year as 1.3 million homes use all energy types. Considering a multi billion corporations size, let alone 77 of them, comparing their combined green energy usage to that of 1.3 mil homes is nil (there were 134 mil households in the US in 2014). So less than 1/5 of fortune 500 companies use as much green energy in a year as 1/100th of US households use all energy sources in a year. I don't see how this is suppose to replace the hundreds of thousands of jobs that oil and gas provide.

Science and religion are two different things, JR, but how would you know that since you also believe that the world is only 5000 years old? But I tell you what: you pray and hope that your Lord and Savior will save you from the consequences of global warming, and I rely on science and preventative measures so that global warming doesn't get any worse. In the meantime, why don't you move to Vanuatu or the Maldives?

mayoclinic.org/trans-fat/art-20046114
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trans-fats-used-extend-processed-6236525
cspinet.org/transfat/qanda.html


Adrian, the invention of the steam engine cost millions of slave workers their job. The invention of the car made millions of blacksmiths unemployed. Robots cut millions of manufacturing jobs. The computer was responsible for the loss of millions upon millions of office jobs. Have you ever seen one of the large corporation complain about that? You can't stop progress, and if the loss of a few million stone age jobs in the coal mining industry is the price we have to pay to save the planet from going down the drain, then so be it. These jobs will be replaced by something better and more modern anyway - that's how it has always been and that's how it will always be until we all kick the bucket.

Global warming caused by CO2 has not been proven using the scientific method. Again, it is a THEORY. That means someone made an observation, then made an educated guess - it ended there. Scientists were unable to conduct an experiment and repeat that experiment with the same results to determine whether their Theory, or hypothesis/educated guess, is correct. The best they can do is make a guess and support it by an empirical argument. I'm not saying that I know for 100% that CO2 does or doesn't cause global warming - what I am saying is that the science is unfounded and basic botany and chemistry states that CO2 is good for plants.

plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=371

Over 30,000 scientists - 10k of which are PhD holders - would argue with you that CO2 causing global warming is scientifically unfounded. I guess you know better though than astronaut and physicist Walter Cunningham of Apollo 7 and the directors of different scientific organizations.

Tell that the people of Vanuatu or the Marshall Islands... :)

It doesn't matter if it's a theory or not. Fact is that there is something that is responsible for the warming of our planet. As long as we are not 100% certain what the cause really is (we will never be THAT certain anyway), why not take on some of the potential candidates like man made CO2 and methane emissions and see if that helps? Being proactive instead of being reactive all the time?

Again, it's a potential huge waste of time and money - like Obama's green energy programs. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done gradually - energy ought to be diversified more. Throwing hundreds of millions suddenly at the situation is just begging for problems. Right now though, using wind and solar all around the US just isn't economical though. Yes, solar panels might be good in California or Hawaii in the near future but right now the technology is a bit too expensive. (The link I posted above explains the cost per megawatt hour of different energy sources.) I'm not saying it shouldn't be further researched or anything like that. I'm saying we shouldn't make sudden drastic changes based on theories. Replacing oil and coal will happen eventually, but it has to be a gradual process. It's like hybrid cars 10 years ago or even Teslas right now. Great idea, but very expensive. Now at least the hybrid cars are a bit cheaper and are made much better although the batteries are still very expensive to replace if they break or get worn out (I've heard estimates of around $5k-$7k+ depending on the car). It's been demonstrated that the savings aren't actually that big either. I mean yeah you'll save money if you're going from a Hummer to a Prius but the savings aren't that big if you're going from a gas Honda Accord to a hybrid Honda Accord. Like with this example, I'd be more for eco diesels which we have very few in the U.S. Most people don't even know there are diesel Hondas but again they're not available here.

Trump gets embarrassed finally.

WASHINGTON - In three consecutive years, Donald Trump has received a property tax credit for people with incomes of less $500,000.

@TheOther, science and religion are simply two separate paths moving towards a common meaning, aka explanation of life as we know it:-)

I proudly defend the right of each state to teach evolution alongside creationism as an alternative explanation. The Bible, after all, was "written" primarily by illiterate men, ignorant of science in the way we understand the term today! Who's to say they're wrong to maintain that the world was created in seven days? Perhaps a "day" was measured in hundreds, possibly thousands, even millions, of years.

The myriad inconsistencies of the Good Book were the stuff of "Inherit The Wind" by Lawrence and Lee. Read it some time, you might learn a thing or two!

Green energy should be the least of your worries when it comes to jobs, technological unemployment is already upon us. Buckminster Fuller one of the great thinkers of the 20th century termed a phrase 'ephermalization' similar to 'Moore's law', which basically means to do more with less. The agricultural industry anyone? One tractor basically does the job of a thousand workers every single day. Its a long list.

Green abundant energy is part of the natural evolution of our species. Seems a pretty good idea to replace a finite energy source: coal, oil, nuclear with a virtually infinite one: solar, wind, wave, geo thermal etc.. regardless of whether its likely to cause potentially cataclysmic environmental destruction or not.


Yeah, that might have something to do with the fact that spent nuclear fuel remains hazardous for hundreds of thousands of years.

Thats like some nut case agreeing with sentencing witches to drown and be burned alive a few hundred years ago. Fact is people don't believe witches exist anymore let alone to murder them for being one. Teaching creationism is insane. How can we expect our children to have respect for us when we attempt to teach them that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and was shaped by a great flood.


What about a trillion? yeah could be a trillion. Yup lets use that to suit our based agendas.

@Yosemite Sam,

People are entitled to believe in what they wish......even if they ARE in fact flat wrong! Don't you even defend our Constitutional right to be stupid??
LOL

What even believing murder is right? People are religious through systematic brainwashing - usually from a very young age. Its not what they wish to believe in at all, its the environments of which they have been exposed. If you were the son of a head hunter in the Amazon hundreds of years ago it would be normal for you to grow up and become a head hunter too. Would that qualify for believing what they wish? regardless of morality?

Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed mate.

On the contrary, Yosemite! A person MAY under our system of law "believe" as they choose; they simply may not PRACTICE such, lest they risk penalty of punishment:-)