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2016 Presidential Elections in the US



TheOther
10 Mar 2016  #721

I proudly defend the right of each state to teach evolution alongside creationism as an alternative explanation.

I didn't know that you're a fan of Ted Cruz, Texas and its school books.

People are entitled to believe in what they wish

Sure, Lyzko. I believe that you are nuts... LOL!

Lyzko
10 Mar 2016  #722

....yet, that scarcely makes it so, now, does it?
LOL

johnny reb
10 Mar 2016  #723

Sure, Lyzko. I believe that you are nuts... LOL!

He claims to be a 58 year old Jewish college professor living in New York married to a 47 year old woman with a teenage daughter.
My guess would be that he is a nurd teenager with not many friends that suffers from an inferiority complex so he comes to the Polish Forum to live his fantasy of being an intellectual.
In fact I would bet on it.
Now for the love of Mary I will repeat again.....
Why the hell can't we stay on thread here besides you pin heads just want to argue frivolous crap.

Seven more days and we will know who the nominees will be.

AdrianK9
10 Mar 2016  #724

Everyone is ganging up against Trump... including even Fiorina now.

huffingtonpost.com/entry/aei-world-forum-donald-trump_us_56ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d

If Hillary wins and her capital gains tax passes I definitely won't be using my etrade account anymore.

Now if Sanders wins and his tax plans pass I can guarantee my parents will move out of the US as they're nearing retirement age anyway. Nearly 50% tax on ordinary income is just insane. Don't think the middle class is exempt either: according to this article with those in the middle quintile of the income range facing a tax increase of about $4,700, resulting in an average decrease in after-tax income of about 8.5 percent

reason.com/blog/2016/03/09/bernie-sanders-political-revolution-is-a

A different article says that this middle quintile would actually pay 10% more, a $6,000 increase:

thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/03/07/3757173/sanders-tax-analysis/

These people fail to realize that the top quintile, many of whom aren't even that rich because a household income of 100k a year gets you into the top quintile (say a male making $60k a female making $40k), pays 70% of taxes despite being only 20% of the population by definition. I guess they don't believe in the trickle down theory. Yes, that plastic surgeon deserves to drive a Porsche because he spent 12 years studying and more than likely accumulated $500k of student debt. Quite frankly, imo he deserves to be paid $400k a year. These are the kind of people that run small businesses, give jobs to people, and spend their money on homes, cars, food, and the more liberal types even on green energy solar panels and Teslas which a poor family cannot afford. Taking income from them is going to obviously make them spend less money which in turn lowers the GDP and lowers employment. It's Macroeconomics 101.

Absurdistan.

delphiandomine
10 Mar 2016  #725

In fact I would bet on it.

$100.

johnny reb
10 Mar 2016  #726

In fact I would bet on it. $100.

On what, that you sit on this forum 24/7/365 making it your life by being obnoxious and annoying ?
Yeah, I'll take that bet.

johnny reb - Why the hell can't we stay on thread here besides you pin heads just want to argue frivolous crap.

My conclusion.........because of the immature punks on this forum.

delphiandomine
10 Mar 2016  #727

If you're going to offer a bet, at least be man enough to accept it when someone agrees to it. Tell you what - I'll even offer you a deal in that I'll pay $200 if Lzyko is who you say he is. If he isn't, you give me $100.

Anyway, it's pretty much clearcut now. Trump can't win a majority of delegates before the Republican National Convention, and the Republicans have made it clear that they expect the delegates to cross the floor in the subsequent rounds.

Lyzko
10 Mar 2016  #728

Delph, I'll even take that bet:-)
By the by, I don't need the $100LOL

delphiandomine
11 Mar 2016  #729

Delph, I'll even take that bet:-)

I'll share the money with you after Johnny stops being a coward and starts standing by his word ;)

porky pok
11 Mar 2016  #730

I am sure Delphi boy you can use that money after your sick leave:D

TheOther
11 Mar 2016  #731

capital gains tax

Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless you are a day trader nothing much should change. As far as I know, Clinton doesn't plan to raise the long term rate on capital gains.

Lyzko
11 Mar 2016  #732

@Delph, Johnny ain't gonna; trolls never do!!
:-)

AdrianK9
11 Mar 2016  #733

Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless you are a day trader nothing much should change

Not at all - quite the opposite - it raises it a LOT for long term investments. Actually, it's keep the rate for day traders the same and hurting your average family that may keep a stock for 1 to 5 years. She thinks this is going to reduce companys' and individuals' tendency to gain off short term investments. However, the rate would be exactly same under Clintons plan as it is right now - those who keep investments under 1 year have a capital gains tax of 43.4% (including the 3.8% surtax)

According to her plan investments held between 1 to 2 years would be subject to the same 39.6% rate as 'short term' investments - those held under a year. So you're paying the same tax rate on an investment whether you sold the stock an day after you bought it or 18 months under Clinton's plan. Gains from investments held 2 to 3 years would be taxed at a 36% statutory rate (plus surtax) - nearly double the current rate for investments held during the same period. It would fall 4% a year until it hits the 20% rate which would take 6 years. Right now, under the two tier system, it's 20% for anything over 1 year (23.8% if we're including the 3.8% surtax.) So basically, she's going to tax people higher an on investment held for 5 years than the current law taxes someone who has held an investment for more 2 years. This rate is still much higher than both the 15% under Bush and the current Obama plan. However, Obama wants to raise it to 28% before he leaves the presidency for investments held over 1 year - which would still be far less than Clinton's plan for investments held between 1 to 4 years.

So no, under Clinton's plan it wouldn't affect the day traders and this would hurt everyone that keeps an investment between 1 and 6 years. Those who keep investments under 1 year would have the same capital gains tax that exists currently.

So basically, this is hurting the people like myself that are far from being rich (of course the Dems may argue that because I fall in the top quintile, yet I can't afford to outright buy a brand new Honda Accord) who have mutual funds and participate in an employee stock purchase program and don't plan to work at my current company for over 6 years.

TheOther
11 Mar 2016  #734

Not at all - quite the opposite - it raises it a LOT for long term investments.

Hmm, this source says something else:

taxfoundation.org/blog/details-hillary-clinton-s-capital-gains-tax-proposal

Quote
"It is notable that the long-term rate remains the same as current law. In neither this campaign nor her previous campaign has Clinton expressed interest in raising the long term rate on capital gains."

AdrianK9
11 Mar 2016  #735

Look right above it - both the graph and this statement:

Secretary Clinton's proposal would stick to the general principles of the current system, but elongate the decline. Gains with a holding period of one to two years would also be subject to the 39.6 percent statutory rate. Gains of two to three years would be subject to a 36 percent statutory rate, and thereafter the statutory rate would decline by four percentage points per year until reaching the current long-term rate of 20 percent at six years. That's almost exactly the same as what I wrote in my earlier post. So yes, day traders and those with investments of under 1 year won't see a change. However, people who keep investments for more than 1 year will see a drastic tax increase. Also, this statement above doesn't include the nearly 4% income surtax added onto all those already high taxes.

This source seems to be contradicting itself because in the paragraph above it says something completely different, which I just copied from that website. First it discusses how Clinton's proposal would be much different than the two tier System under Obama in the sense that long term investments, those over 1 year, would pay a much higher tax rate... Then comes the statement you just posted that apparently Clinton never said she'd raise taxes in her campaign. So where did they pull that graph and the statement I just copied from? Either that graph above is totally incorrect or Clinton's lying that she never said she'll raise taxes. Based on her history, I'd say she's lying.

Also, write after your statement it says:

In a Democratic presidential primary debate in 2008, she was asked if she planned to raise the top capital gains rate, and she replied "I wouldn't raise it above the 20 percent if I raised it at all. I would not raise it above what it was during the Clinton administration." That statement was made in an environment where the top rate was 15 percent under President George W. Bush's tax cuts.

Another flip flop with Clinton's stance changing as the wind blows? So back in 2008 she said IF she raised taxes she would barely raise the capital gains by a maximum of up to 20% for long term investments considering capital gains tax since under Bush it was only 15%... now 8 years later her plan is to more than double it for investments between 1-2 years so that it equals the current rate for investments under 1 year..

Another classic Clinton move: say one thing that is popular with the public, then change your stance later according to whatever's now popular, then deny any earlier contradictory statements till the media moves onto some other new scandal. If that fails, blame Republicans. That's been her tactic for years.

Unless in this statement, she's referring to long term rate as over 6 years. Then yes, she isn't changing it. 6 years is a long time to hold onto an investment - a lot can happen in that time. In that sense, no she isn't changing the tax plan at all. However, the changes between that 1 year and 6 year period are drastic. Furthermore, it's not affecting day traders and those who keep investments under 1 year as it states on that website that she is not changing the current tax rate for capital gains.

It is notable that the long-term rate remains the same as current law. In neither this campaign nor her previous campaign has Clinton expressed interest in raising the long term rate on capital gains.

Lyzko
11 Mar 2016  #736

Clinton's still suspect, unfortunately, among many as yet undecided swing voters throughout the Beltway, as she's seen continually as a Wall St. vs. (Sanders) Main St. supporter! Until she shakes that image, she's not going to have much of a chance come 11/16!

Her PR people have got to paint her as a defender of those who need defending, otherwise Trump's a shoe-in:-)

johnny reb
13 Mar 2016  #737

The Chicago 'Brawl' ... MAN ! I'm thinkin'... that the "Black Lives Splatter" crowd has just found their "Modus Operandi " for 'disruption' of every TRUMP rally from here on out !
It's gonna get UGLY! (NOT to mention, Rubio is claiming That Trump has "gotten what he had coming to him"...and that it's expected !) Nice !
I'm thinking that we are seeing the 'Demise' of the Republican Party, right before our very eyes !
PINYATA BRAINED Mitt Romney sticks his big stupid Face into the race last week and spews venom ...
Did you know, that was a "Historical Re Play"....!
His old man, GEORGE ROMNEY, one- time- President of AMERICAN MOTORS CORP, did the VERY SAME THING to Barry Goldwater in 1964.
Only THAT time, it worked And WORKED WELL.... effectively torpedoing Goldwaters Election campaign.
How is it that our idiot republican candidates can EAT THEIR OWN so readily ?
What is WITH those bozos ?
Then again, this might have the "opposite affect".....Instead of chasing people AWAY from Trump, it very well could RALLY those of us that are SICK TO DEATH of the Liberal "shut-Down" free speech crowd....that SCREAM for Free Speech,
But only as long as you're saying what they want to hear ! phew....
All of this is just what Obama has orchestrated: typical Class Warfare... directly as Saul Alinsky wrote about it.

delphiandomine
13 Mar 2016  #738

Excellent stuff, Johnny. Clinton has such an easy path to the Presidency now, and the Republican Party will tear itself apart in November.

johnny reb
13 Mar 2016  #739

Looks like it may be a long hot summer for the Clinton Crime family.

Despite the arrogance of Hillary's campaign claiming to be "pleased" that the Justice Department granted immunity to an IT specialist who worked on Hillary's private email server, Fox News reports Bryan Pagliano has told the FBI key details, about how and what devices she used, citing an intelligence source who called him a "devastating witness." Having been warned that she should be "terrified" since "they would not be immunizing him and thereby inducing him to spill his guts unless they wanted to indict someone," Pagliano has reportedly provided information allowing investigators to knit together the emails with other evidence, including images of Clinton on the road as secretary of state.

Oh this golden, just what we have been waiting for. //no calls for violence or suspension //

Wulkan
13 Mar 2016  #740

Anti-Trump Chicago riots.

"We all know the violence in Chicago only started when Trump planned an event there. Before that there was absolutely no violence whatsoever. It was the most peaceful liberal utopia on the planet..."

youtube.com/watch?v=GepGO6HqL3o

Marsupial
13 Mar 2016  #741

Lol funny how all the crims in riot there are the same colour as the crims rioting last night in melbourne and sydney, the london riots........need I keep going? I know real estate is at a premium but the zoos needs to be bigger.

Szalawa
13 Mar 2016  #742

Cultural Marxist hidden in plain sight, or the new Bolsheviks as I sometimes call them. Its some sort of new movement its like a plague, the far left is becoming very much deluded and dangerous turning towards terrorist actions. Perhaps that's why they love islamists, they use tactics like violence and rape and think its justifiable, and of course Islam means peace right? Hypocrites, got to love them peace loving cultural Marxists. Only reason I would vote Trump if I could is to stick it to the radicals

Marsupial
13 Mar 2016  #743

Yeah so true and they call him right wing. What a joke.

Szalawa
13 Mar 2016  #744

These days anything that isn't extreme left is seen as right wing

Yosemite
13 Mar 2016  #745

Looks like the racist granddad gang are well alive on this thread.

Marsupial
13 Mar 2016  #746

Yeah go for a walk in some of thise areas in the usa, here in oz, places in london. You will be shipped back as diced meat. A lot of us are sick of your offensive lies and bs as to who the racists are and not you personally but the whole lot of ignorant denialists. game's up, take your crap go live with them if you are too stupid to see the reality perhaps some time with these filthy animals will open your eyes. Heck take your sister and mother I am sure you will be just fine. Grandpa? Lol. Not me, no wonder no one listens to dumb young punks with no clue.

Yosemite
13 Mar 2016  #747

ou will be shipped back as diced meat.

I wouldn't because i generally get on well with people of different cultures, if you're nice to them they will be nice right back. If i have prejudice against one race over another, it is my own kind - the stupid white man.

I suppose you don't have any idea of social classes (poor people) and which races are more associated with poverty and the results this has on their social integrity.

Marsupial
13 Mar 2016  #748

Bollocks. You are a keyboard idealist with no concept of reality. I would say go prove it film it but I dont want you to die.

Yosemite
13 Mar 2016  #749

Bollocks.

You are a keyboard idealist with no concept of reality.

I dont want you to die.

no wonder no one listens to dumb young punks with no clue.

Has a black guy recently shafted your missus or something? Your anger seems a little OTT for a normal person.

Yosemite
13 Mar 2016  #750

Look at the environments of poor people Marsupial, look at how they have been subjected to second class living standards by the white man. Integration works if its properly managed. London is the perfect example. Poorer areas are almost always associated with more crime regardless of the predominant race of that specific area.


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