2016 Presidential Elections in the US

@Adrian,

".........most people don't want to work....."

Hmmmm, now. Let's see. Imagine you're a recent college grad from one of the Ivy's, 21-22 years old. You decided NOT to go the Humanities' route this time 'round, and so (cleverly, you think) you major in Computer Science, just like nearly everyone else who wants to get a job. With me so far?

You finally graduate with a BS/BA/MBA/PhD or some such alphabet soup (or all of the above, he-he!), lo and behold, you break into the employment market and instead of a nice, juicy "entry-level" position starting at easily 45-50 FOR OPENERS, you're offered a bargain-basement yo-yo spot at a Fortune 500 as a friggin' gopher, no health insurance, no benefits, compulsory weekend or/or evening hours and ZILCH to do with anything you busted your hump for for four long years!!! Why? 'Cuz probably somebody South of the border beat you to the punch by undercutting your salary. Pretty, huh?

This is motivation to want to work?? Hell, if I were in that position, I'd stay home and collect unemployment, for pity's sake; MORE MONEY IN IT!!!
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True, but you have to work a certain amount of time before you can get unemployment. Now section 8, welfare, food stamps, etc. is different to my understanding. Also, people have no pride...

I can tell you this though - if you go to an IVY league school, you will get a good job. Also, I believe under the Obamacare laws every company with over 50 workers or 100 or whatever it is has to offer you health insurance. So essentially, any decent sized corporation will give you health insurance.


If you have any of those from an Ivy league school you're going to make at least $45k-$50k with a bachelor's and more than double with an MBA. Ivy league grads are the cream of the crop and they get hired for the best jobs. If you picked a move average school like say University of Illinois in Chicago then yes, the comparison would be totally correct as I know many people who graduated from that school and even 3-4 years after graduatiopn they're still working for $12-$14 an hour at Best Buy or a T-Mobile store.

I didn't go to an Ivy league school. I had a very generic degree - B.S.B.A (essentially a bit more respeted than B.A. or B.S. - stands for bachelor's of science in business administration) but did go to a good school. I made $70k my first year out of college from my income - but I worked my butt off. With my investments, it was almost $100k.


That doesn't happen with educated individuals - especially if they have a graduate level degree. For high school grads - sure, but not so much college educated individuals. A Mexican might undercut you to hang drywall or do landscaping work - but not so much undercut you to do C++ programming for a corporation. Web design, perhaps, but many companies have to have computer engineers and programmers on site - like ours for example.

As to the last part, I respectfully beg to differ!

Many jobs in High Tech, academia and biotech, if no longer as aggressively outsourced, are frequently filled by low ballers such as the sort I've described previously.

Look at the sign on any door to realize what a job search anywhere on the planet these days often requires: PULL
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Also, people have no regard to the future. They only think about there here and now. They don't think well, I'll be out of this position one day - I will put in hard work for 4 years and then I'll have experience on my resume and can now start applying for $60k jobs that don't require overtime.

I'm not going to sympathize with lazy people who don't feel like working because even at age 15 I was stacking tiles for $8 an hour and I was happy to have weekend spending money and some cash to put aside for a car. I put myself through college and it took me over 6 years to graduate because I had to work as my goal was to graduate with no student debt. So when I see Obama forgiving billions of student debt, right before an election nonetheless and Hillary promises to do the same it drives me up the wall - and probably many others who actually sacrificed their time.

Believe me, there were plenty of times where I wish I could've stayed in and got drunk with the other guys in my dorm or my housemates. I wish I was a trust fund baby who spent all of mommy and daddy's money on high grade marijuana. However, I am actually very happy now that it didn't happen. It angered me while I was in college that I had to work so much and that I was 23 and still not finished, but then once I graduated and didn't owe the government, the school, or any bank a single shiny penny I was elated.

All true truisms there, Adrian ol' man! Basically, I side with nearly every one of 'em. However, our experience is not everybody's, so one ought not penalize the qualified many for the lazy shiftiness of an undeserving minority:-)

I really wish I was born like 20-30 years earlier, at least. Like post WW2 would've been ideal so I could be in my 20's in the 1960's. The problem is that up until I'd say the great recession, we use to reward hard work, creation of wealth, having a nice home and an expensive car achieved through work, living in a suburb with white people, getting a promotion in a corporation - all things that now are like considered taboo in a way. It really is sad and it seems like opinion changed drastically after 2008. I'm still part of the 99% - I don't have enough wealth or income to be in the 1%. Nonetheless, I'm still thought of a 'corporate capitalist pig' and 'the enemy' because of this class warfare we're seeing. I make good money but I'm not like super wealthy nor a millionaire. The people hold signs saying 'pay your fair share' yet I have to pay over 1/3 of my commission, 38.8% - up from 27.4% in 2014 because it's considered 'luxury tax.' What kind of luxury is making a couple grand each month? It's not even ten figures 9 times out of 10. 47% of people don't pay any federal income tax yet they're the ones complaining about others 'paying their fare share' when they pay NOTHING. Gone are the days where paying off your school was rewarded and a norm, gone are the days where it's encouraged for families strive to buy a big house in the suburbs to raise their children, and the worst - saving and reinvesting your money to attain a small fortune is totally frowned upon.

Now it's like we reward mediocrity. Society seems to have more respect for the person who partied the entire time through college and because he or she had no work experience, can't get a job now besides $12 an hour working retail than the person who's been working since 15 and makes good money - no, those people are the capitalist pigs. Now if we strive to live in an exclusive suburb, people will think it's because they don't like the city life and criticize parents for not wanting to raise their children there - when before it was the opposite.

It's like everything has gone topsy turvy.

38.8% - up from 27.4%, I was hammered for 50% tax in the UK, that's why I have packed up working, I am no longer prepared to work hard to feather the nests of others who can't be bothered to get out of bed, the uk needs a businessman like trump to be in charge of UK limited. where hard work is rewarded and waste of public funds is minimised.

Aha, we have a Thatcherite among us!

So EVERYBODY who needs some sort of pull or public assistance is therefore on the dole, ergo a bum.
Is that what you mean, Dolno:-)

Is that what you mean, Dolno ,Trust some libtard to popup with accusations of thatcherism,

No I mean scumbags like one of my relatives who would still be in his dressing gown at mid day, when i knocked the door, never held down a proper job lived off benefits and handouts from my mum.

But of course he would sit there and spout his libtard commie , its all the richly bosses fault oh yeah he hated thatcher too.

Me I could never be bothered with any of the politicians, I was busy working to support my family.

thats what i mean lyzko

I know what you mean. I personally know a Polish girl who moved to the UK just to take advantage of the welfare system. She got disability because she told the case worker that she got car sick and hence couldn't go to work - and they surprisingly accepted her claim! Then she pushed it further and stated that she had a developmentally disabled child. She went to the office again saying she needed more money to raise her challenged son (who she told to eat his own boogers in front of the workers) and wallah - more free money!!

It's truly sad... I honestly think that there needs to be term limits on welfare, food stamps, etc. The problem is that the definition of 'work related activities' which you're supposed to be doing while receiving welfare, include stupid things like 'bed rest' and 'journaling.' So not even like volunteering or looking for work - resting in bed now suffices as a work related activity thanks to Obama's changes.


I love the Iron lady too = )

Whilst those who merrily siphon off the state benefits to which they are not entitled, e.g. the person who has some local politico "write them off" as having a disability, subsidized thereafter indefinitely by MY aka OUR tax money, draws my ire no less, I do caution against holding it against those DESERVING of such aid, merely because some of us are lazy sea slugs who'd prefer sleep paid for by someone else, to an honest days shirk, sorry, work!

In other words, Dolno, don't let's throw the baby out with the bathwater.... we might easily regret it later on:-)

Too many people vote for a living in Chicago.... it's insanity...

The sad thing is that these individuals call us white devils, corporate pigs, and say that we're oppressing them and holding them back, but we're the ones who are funding all the programs meant to help them and supporting the welfare kings and queens that make up the entire south side of Chicago. Literally, the north side of Chicago is supporting the south side.

And now a new proposal came up to raise more tax money, since of course the state it totally broke, now Chicagoans will be charged a tax based on the amount of miles they drive in a year and will have a transponder in their car which the government monitors to see how much you drove... utter lunacy... i wonder if the welfare individuals will have to pay this too - somehow I doubt it.

Maggie was a Ronnie supporter big time, that's a fact! They were to be sure about the closest of political bedfellows one could imagine.

However, not all those who disliked Thatcher the PM are commie trash, please, I beg of you!

Lyzko

I said "waste of public funds is minimised."

Taking care of the sick, disabled old or taking care of genuine people in need is NOT a waste of public funds.

Idiots like my example family member are and need to be weeded out, some kind of public service in return for benefits would suffice.

Well at least i would feel better knowing he was doing something useful when I was up at 5 am with a 3 hour drive to see a client

Then, I agree with you on that score.

Quite. It's why we pay national insurance. One disturbing issue about the whole Trump fiasco is the Ayn Rand thing, which is the opposite of Christian values, the opposite of decency and the opposite of what most of the voters want.

Ayn Rand died.
Trump is fighting with the GOP right now by pointing out how the primaries are being rigged so he can't win.
Can you imagine that or was I guessing that three weeks ago.

Just a shame some of them over there still buy her books.


Bad news. He has to be the republican candidate for the obvious reason.

Well she certainly wasn't a Christian and the Donald claims to be.
Remember when he quoted 2cd Corinthians out of the Bible and referred to it as 2 Corinthians ? lol
It really did make people wonder.
The jokes about it didn't stop for two weeks after that.
(Did you hear about the two Corinthians that walked in the bar ?) lol

I hear you jon and he is now splitting the GOP even more by him pointing out the rigging of the elections which is only going to make it harder, by splitting the GOP, to beat Hillary, if she doesn't go to prison first.
The people are just so sick and tired of their freedoms being taken away that they want anyone but the same old same old.
Obama now wants to sign a bill where Saudi is responsible for 9/11 which will collapse the world economy even more.
Things ain't gettin' any better in this country I'll tell you that.

Look what the last seven years with Muslim Obama has done to America and you wonder why people want Trump.
Hillary will continue where Obama left off which will finish destroying our country past the point of return.
Just look what has happened in seven years under our Muslim President.
(Coming to Poland soon)

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"I am sick to my stomach. Hard to believe he was elected twice, ain't it?
And now the welfare grubbers will again vote for a living for someone who will follow in his footsteps with no regards to what has happened in the last seven years to our country !"

I don't think there's much to worry about. Trump will want to beat the GOP candidate in a three-way election, meaning that it's a guarantee that Clinton will win the election and we can breathe.

Times leads with a story stating that in order to erase the $19 trillion national debt, every man, woman, and child would need to pay $43,000.

Naturally, the lib media jumped on this to attack the times stating that they are fear mongering and that they don't 'understand' the debt. MSNBC and Washington Post agree - $19 billion owed? Big deal! Interest rates are low and as long as long as the US keeps paying just the interest back they can still get loans at very low rates (1.7% for 10 years). They state that we'll never have to pay this debt - and neither will our children or grandchildren. In summary - We owe $19 trillion, who cares? Let's just pay the interest off and borrow more!!!

The one thing that Times should've done though is state the real number - which is actually over 70 trillion if we're counting all debts, liabilities, and obligations.

The reason why is that $19 billion DOESN'T include things like: $26 trillion in social security obligations, $29 trillion in obligations for current medicare participants, and $8 trillion of things that aren't counted in the national debt like federal employee retiree benefits.

And still Trump wants to build that stupid wall and boost military spending...

Our military has suffered like never before by cuts from our Muslim President.
We damn better get our military built back up for what is coming.
We damn well better shut terrorist out from walking into our country with a dirty bomb.
We have N.Korea threatening to nuke us, we have Russian jets buzzing our military ships, we have Russian subs sneaking into our waters off our west coast firing missiles, we have daily Russian Air Force within miles of our borders scrambling our fighter jets, we have jihadist that want all Americans dead.......I agree with Trump on that 100%, you don't ?

I've heard that Muslim stuff before!

Actually, he's a Christian by birth (at least, on his mother's side), yet his detractors want to paint a dangerous picture of him.
Typical scaremongering Republican talk, don't pay attention:-)

On the same silly level as all that 'birther' and 'truther' crap.

Precisely, jon!

Every since the dude took office, the right and far right (among which I include the Tea Party) have been gunning for him, guns drawn and blazing, ready to fire away.

What they don't understand to this day, is that back in '07, America was on the brink: Palin and McCain vs. sanity and reason.
Finally, the latter won out....but it wasn't easy. Perfect?? Obama's not perfect. Who the heck is?? But think of the alternative.

Again, happy nightmares, daymares and sundry, assorted terrors!!!

I wouldn't expect anything else from two Jewish liberals.
Truth is we haven't had a real president since Reagan.
Our Muslim president that we have now has done everything he can to destroy America.
Before Obama there was no outlandish presence of Islam.
Islam is being taught in our schools now and the bible has been banned.
We now have lawsuits being filed by Muslims who are offended by American culture, they sue their employers because their jobs are in conflict with Sharia Law and they want to sue anyone who engages in anti Muslim speech.
All this only came AFTER Muslim Obama came into office.
Jihadists who engage in terrorism and openly admit they acted in the name of Islam and ISIS, are emphatically declared they are NOT Islamic by Obama and/or their actions are determined NOT to be terrorism, but other nebulous terms like 'workplace violence."
Obama refuses to use the word Islamic terrorists.
He made a deal with Iran must be made at any cost, with a pathway to nuclear weapons and HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars handed over to fund their programs.
He APOLOGIZES to Muslim states and sponsors of terror worldwide for acts of aggression, war and sabotage THEY perpetrate against our soldiers.
Obama has emptied Guantanamo Bay of captured Jihadists and let them loose in Jihad-friendly Islamic states.
He demands to close the facility.
He negotiated with terrorists and traded FIVE Taliban commanders for a deserter and Jihad sympathizer.
He makes available no money for disabled veterans or displaced Americans but there is endless money for Obama's "Syrian refugee" resettlement programs.
The most important thing for Obama to do after a mass shooting by two Jihadists is disarm American Citizens.
Obama can not attend the Christian Funerals of a Supreme Court Justice and a former First Lady because they are in a Christian church.

Kinda hard to say the guy isn't a Muslim, ain't it ?

Reagan undid or at least tried to undo the New Deal! He removed oversight committees and turned medicine into a business instead of the profession which it was and in fact, still is! By getting government off the backs of the citizens, he intentionally turned every businessman into a mega bully, allowing them to forget that they are not MORE important than those whom they (allegedly) serve, but AS important, entitled to no less, yet definitely no more than anyone else!! Business exists to create value, not destroy it by mere slash-and-burn cost cutting, thus allowing it to do what?? Create more havoc??

No, business exists to serve the community, not the reverse!

His thinking was skewed....as is yours, I might add.

He jumped started the economy by starting up more small business which put people to work.
The best thing that ever happened in my life time.
Man those were the good old days.