2016 Presidential Elections in the US

I can't see why it would be necessary to increase our military budget even further. The US already outspends all other major powers combined.

Don't let's all generalize, merely from one aka your experience, or from the experience of the few!! For most of the country, Reagan (like Hitler), came in like the wind with a fierce, new broom, kicking out from under the already (G-d forbid!!) comfortable among us, the cumfy chair of hard-won security. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!! While Reagan didn't throw people into death camps or shoot them at sunrise, he basically allowed millions over the years to die off from attrition; if you don't have affordable health care (as in Dickensian times, except for the rich, oh, yes, I almost forgot about the Corn Laws), housing, or food, GUESS WHAT?? You'll die off.

This was/is what the Reagnists wanted and want to this day!

An interesting article here about how he's seen around the world:


independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-revealed-as-russias-preferred-choice-as-president-a6989991.html

Because the other major powers have caught up with us in technology, we have a greater number of countries to protect in our best interest, we like being #1.
Obama has cut the military budget so much that if we were attacked today we would suffer major losses.

Like the Bombing of Pearl Harbor ... thank YOU, FDR !

See, Johnny at al, no one can point to a single thing bad about the New Deal! Your analogy, as per usual, is poor at worst, at best, faulty history:-)

You and your kind are nothing more than Puritans, possibly with a Calvinist strain. Anyone who is comfortable should suffer, anything that represents a necessary outlay of expenditure, BAD!!!

That is the definition of a Puritan. By definition, most Republicans are Puritans. I really thought we'd come along in our thinking.

What year was the New Deal signed ?
What year is it today ?
Women back then weren't allowed to vote or smoke at one time in history either.
You have a very poor crutch to keep falling back on there son.
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Think about this:
If Trump wins the election, It will be the first time in history that a billionaire has ever moved into Public Housing vacated by a Black family ! 😲

One of the reasons why the New Deal worked is because of the post-War boom. It's like with the Clinton era - his policies appeared to be great thanks to the dot com bubble, rise in housing and construction projects, rise in the Dow and Nasdaq, and general economic situation of the gay 90's - now people are starting to realize that treaties like NAFTA and WTO (GATT post 1994/1995 - where the US even criticized India, Brazil and Europe for restricting and overtaxing US imports - yet we caved anyway!) aren't helping us and have outsourced tens of thousands of jobs - like to China for example which has been disregarding nearly all of the things that it was supposed to do prior to joining, which it didn't and still isn't doing - like respecting intellectual property for one. Sure, they'll gladly take foreign investment, liberalize their banking policies, and create special economic zones to limit tariffs, but forget about adjusting their currency to it's real value.

I'll point out several issues with the New Deal before I get too wrapped up into NAFTA and the China/WTO issue:

Tripling of federal expenditures - (although this was offset by the post-War boom so it didn't matter too much but nonetheless set a bad precedent to the point where now presidents double, then triple the debt)
Government control of labor and prices - artificially inflating/deflating prices, meddling in people's private business
Created an environment that was more prone to bubble/boom and burst/bust - artificially controlling prices, propping up prices/labor costs, subsidizing corporations and certain industries
Undermining the free market and disregarding Adam Smith's Invisible Hand theories
Social security - good idea at first, a disaster right now (During the 1930's to around the 1960's I believe the statistic was something like we had 40 people supporting each beneficiary and now we have like 4 or something - I'll have to look up the exact numbers)
Increased economic regulation by the government - (pro's and con's on both sides - pro's for example in agriculture would be subsidizing the industry and providing farmers with livelihood, cons would be unrealistic market prices, higher costs footed by consumers - more prone to boom and busts in the commodity market)
Limited people's civil liberties and enlarged government's power to meddle in everything from food rationing, labor costs, consumer prices, etc.
Gave government offices to supporters of politicians who won elections - rather than people who should get those offices based on merit - further increased bureaucracy and government administration which is notoriously inefficient and wasteful of resources
Spending way too much money on public housing projects - which ended up being destroyed anyway with the residents moving into suburbs in future decades resulting in new crime waves in previously safe areas
White collar workers earning around the same as blue collar workers - despite having a higher level of education
Equality act for defense and government (you can't discriminate based on sex, race, creed, etc. but at the time was only for government - which I guess was good for those two industries - but now has spread to even private companies. If I have a company and want to only hire beautiful Polish girls that should be my right as it a private business) which later lead to bogus things like affirmative action - which ended up placing less qualified people into positions like firefighters and police just because of their skin color

Most importantly: The genesis of our welfare state and government bureaucracy so expanded that you can't fart without first getting a permit and paying a tax - which of course doesn't affect the public housing types, but rather those who actually work to provide for their family and make a decent home

I guess the New Deal did a few good things though: it got lots of people into the labor force like the old, young, women, minorities, etc., created the GI Bill, FDIC and increased the minimum wage a bit under FDR - which is a policy I am for... but up to a point.. $15 for jobs that are meant for part time high school students that now people have turned into careers is insanity.

I do believe that the government should have some role in the economy and the market - but very, very limited. It's not much a free market if the government controls nearly every aspect of it. That's why so many people establish companies in places like Nevada or New Jersey, Hong Kong, Macau and hide their money in Panama and Cayman Islands to get away from being overtaxed and over controlled. In Hong Kong, to establish a corporation it's literally a 2 page worksheet and a tiny fee. You can literally start up a company within a day or two - in the US the situation is infinitely more complex and yet globally our process of incorporation isn't even that bad.

Lyzko is a liberal history teacher who was taught by liberal teacher's so being brainwashed to the point of taking the twisted history that is being taught today to our children, in some cases flat out lies for sensationalism, I understand why he dwells on the New Deal that has been long out dated in today's society.
Maybe we could talk about FDR and the bombing of Pearl Harbor sometime.

Could I give the interviews in the hiring department for you ?

Listen up you name calling Jew Boy, don't get me started.
Either be adult, if you can, without name calling.


I think you need a short history lesson professor on FDR. May I ?

There was a HUGE Pro-German element at the time.
You being a history instructor at a college I will let you explain about the "German - American BUND" and the "Friends of New Germany" which got started in 1933.
Include the Nazi Rallies, Party events, Swastika parades and tell how this all came long before Uncle Adolf invaded Poland.
Then everything changed to oppose the Nazi's.
But meantime FDR "naturally" was a hug Political animal and above all needed the USA to get the hell out of the Depression.
Nothing was working very well to accomplish his task BUT A WAR ?
That always got things going; What unemployment ? (put those bums in a uniform and train them up) KICK START all the shut down plants and manufacturing companies that have been sitting there idle !
Turn typewriter companies into making machine guns and bullet casings !The list is huge and it goes on and on.
Yeah old FDR had a method to his madness alright.

Can you image me lecturing to your class about FDR ? Oh My My !

Rare to see off-topic ad hom trolling, racism and hypocrisy all squeezed into just five words; congratulations on the trifecta.

Odd too, Harry, to find another (allegedly public schooled) person feeling insulted by the words "Puritan" or "Calvinist"!!!

These appelations are scarcely perjorative, and are only thought to be by those who ascribe a negative touch to them.

@Johnny, I for one cast no espursions on either you or your character. It is simply YOU who have been "brainwashed", sir, not I.

How can a program which literally saved scores of fellow US citizens, down on their luck, from dire poverty and extinction, be considered 'out of date'???

Forgive ME now for a little name calling, but your rhetoric truly sounds like that of a eugenicist.

Survival of the fittest vs sponsoring laziness - I'll take survival of the fittest.. You don't work - you don't eat... You don't pay rent or pay a mortgage - you don't get a house. I'm all for supporting the GI's since they fought in a war but not lazy people who refuse to go work generation after generation. We are the highest taxed country in the world when you add up all the ridiculous things we have to pay for. I mean literally half the country is supporting the other half. The bottom 40% of people get more money from the government that they put in - that's a fact. Recently, they even wanted to tax my state based on the miles we drive each year - thank goodness that bill died, but of course other ones that are just are ridiculous passed. Hardly any of this money goes to fixing roads, military (only about 5% of budget if even that now with all the cuts) and making the place nicer - no it goes to the welfare crowd - 25% of the federal budget goes to welfare... $100 billion goes just to feed people on food stamps.. Do I get free food?? Of course not - I have to pay for the peoples' meals who live 30 miles south of me. Yet they say 'Pay your fair share' Well here's the fact - the top 20% already pay the most in direct taxes as a portion of income.

I was down on my luck, living in dire poverty - rat infested apartment when I first came to the US with cockroaches in my cereal, a black and white TV, and a pee stained rug... did I complain... maybe to myself but I didn't ask for handouts. No, I worked my butt off, educated myself, and made something of my life.

And now that I spent 15 years getting out of poverty I now have to deal with people who want to live in the same exclusive suburbs for FREE just because the government destroyed the projects since they became literally impregnable fortresses for gangs... I spent over 15 years working - they spent generations collecting welfare, living in public housing, and avoiding making a better life for themselves. While I was stacking tiles for $50 a day at age 14-15, they were popping out baby after baby to get a bigger check from the government. Forget that - 'down on luck' well make some moves and improve your situation! I've met homeless people who were down on their luck but managed to graduate college and make something of themselves - there was even a girl in my university who was homeless and overcame her situation and is now in a management position training and hiring other social workers and counselors. Many people who have become homeless due to alcohol or drugs even have realized how bad they messed up and managed to turn their life around. No, people that are down on their luck need to think for themselves and figure out how to get out of their situation. By sponsoring this laziness and ineptitude of the masses, we're implying that being a bum is alright and we'll even pay for you to be a bum - just don't forget to vote (for us)!

Quite frankly, I am really sick and tired of supporting people that are too lazy to work and my tax money going to feed and house them. That is why I am planning on leaving this country. It is sad, because this country has given me so much and allowed me to prosper, but the changes in the past 10 years have made life miserable here. The United States is no longer a country where an ambitious individual can work, save, and invest to achieve the former 'American Dream.' If he or she does, they will be ridiculed and told to pay their fair share, they will be told to give their money to those who didn't work, save, or invest, and they will be deemed the enemy by the masses who watch too much TV.

Just imagine though, how many such cases of those lacking your particular motivation, have been squandered by our society through this unrelenting notion that we all are where we are by choice?? Who "chooses" to be poor, destitute, hungry, and miserable??! The answer: NOBODY!!

Thus to let yourself off the hook of at least endeavoring to help those in desperate need (even if perhaps you couldn't), is in my mind but to abandon your humanity in exchange for an expedient, quick-fix!!

Not every situation in life is so, and frankly, the Anti-New Dealers are making a value judgment as to the human worth of complete strangers.

We're not comparing, for instance, a hardened career felon, with neither remorse for their crimes nor evidencial desire for rehabilitation with a hard-working, middle-class, college-educated person who goes out every day to work, has the same dreams of happiness aka marriage, family, retirement etc..., hasn't committed a crime (except being deemed "poor") and finds themselves being cut down at every bend and turn by a country which afflicts the comfortable, but has turned its back on the afflicted, which would rather use cheap, foreign or even native student labor than employ the honed skills of an American taxpayer!!

Where's your compassion gone? Have you and others like you exchanged your soul for a house in the suburbs, take the gains and then screw the other 90%???

Back to your New Deal..................

Are you really that dense or are you just trying to push my button ?
Let me try again because I know you have never understood because of the education that you received.

The American people (especially the English) had a really bad taste and no desire to get involved in another European War..
FDR had run out of alphabet soup.
No thanks ! FDR had run-out of the 'ALPHABET-SOUP' Federal-Funded work Associations that he had designed to put the average folk Back To Work!
So FDR came up with the Lend Lease Act, to "theoretically" loan England Ships and munitions, airplanes, tanks, (you name it) to assist them in fighting the Third Reich.
Ya pagen' with me here Lyzko ?
It wasn't until Tojos' big gamble to surprise attack Pearl Harbor that we had an 'Open Invite to the Big Dance.'
It's much the same for JFK assassination or Building #7 explosion on 9/11, will we ever know for sure ?
I doubt it in our life time.
The Japs had been invading and ranging all over the Far East since the early 1920's they invaded Manchuria, fought a war with Russia and were sweeping down thru what then was French Indo - China/Malaysia/Singapore with their sights on Australia.
Ya still tracking with me Lyzko ?
FDR literally cut off the supply of oil that was very crucial to their war machine to try to back them down.
At that time the USA was supplying 80% of their oil supplies.
FDR knew the consequences BUT STILL needed that "Economic Boost" to lift us out of the Depression
ANYTHING TO PUT AMERICA BACK TO WORK !
Starting to get the Big Picture of your New Deal now Lyzko or shall I continue ?
Damn I would like to give your class a one hour lecture to blow you out of the water on the New Deal.

I'm not surprised. The Russians see him as weak and easily manipulated.

I'm sure you would, JohnnyReb! Curious as to how this image would fit into a historical "frame":-)

We all know, I've no doubt, that the success of said New Deal (as our Forum buddy Adrian there explained, if not so succinctly) depended heavily on said post-War boom. Here, as one sentient being to another, I trust we're in agreement. The New Deal was FDR's antidote to the effects of the Great Depression, a chapter which anyone who bore the brunt of it would soon rather forget!

While Roosevelt had at least several run-ins with the Supreme Court over the degree to which his policies overstepped the Constitution, furthermore, caved under right-wing pressure aka Senator Breckenridge Long and the granting of safe haven to the Jews aboard the SS Missouri, the man's presidency, as with any presidency, must be seen in the light of accomplishment, rather than solely failure:-)

Roosevelt was a product of the times in which someone of his insight was so urgently needed to help pull our great country out of an economic slump which might well have destroyed us. In many respects, Roosevelt faced as great a challenge as Abe Lincoln himself; keep the country together and do so by risking everything, or destroy the country, thereby risking little (save the emnity of his own party).

No Johnny, Trump is NOT a voice of reform, but a tin god, ranting into a wall and one who fails to see his own vanity!!!

Basically a joke candidate. It would be excellent if he won the republican nomination - basically that would guarantee that the Democrat candidate wins.

You mean the Reps are trying to throw this one too?? Yeah, probably! Guess that's why in '08 they had such a weak ticket of McCain and Sarah girl Palin!! Sounds almost as pitiful as the Dems way back in '75 with Mondale and Ferrarro!!! Boy, they sure lost big time!!
lol

I thought we were debating your New Deal and how great FDR was ?
What happened. I didn't embarrass you did I ?
Boy you sure don't want to debate FDR and the New Deal all of a sudden do you Lyzko ?
Now you are off on another bunny trail to divert the facts of the New Deal.
You liberals crack me up, when you get your ears pinned to the wall with the facts you either start name calling or divert the subject. lol
Come on "Liberal College History Instructor", take on this redneck cowboy that don't know squat" about history.
I only push so far New York.
Now back to finish educating you on the New Deal.

Of course a History teacher from ultra liberal New York is going to object, FDR is a god to you idiots.
Remember New York was "occupied" by the British during our Revolutionary War, and was very sympathetic to the British cause.
Several thousand citizens had to flee to Canada when the British finally got their asses kicked out of our country.
Even today there is a huge LIBERAL "Bent" to those people.
Remember; New York city was "occupied" by the British during our Revolutionary War, and was VERY SYMPATHETIC to the British cause!
They have grown fat from th "Benefits" of Capitalism, but still suck on the thumbs of Socialism, drink the Pablum of Saul Alynski and most recent acolyte, "Hildebeast Clinton".

SO.......Here's the United States of America:
The Japs are waging war throughout the East.....Hitler has been training up and building up his armed forces.
Then there was the Condor Legion.
They were volunteers from Nazi German forces that went to Spain and fought Generalissimo Franco to support the Commie/Socialist government proposed.
For four years the Nazi's got 'bloodied' and tons of combat experience to hone their skills for the Blitzkrieg and war with their European and Russian neighbors and develop their war machine.
Do you really think that FDR was unaware of what was going on in Spain and Japan ???? Hell ys he knew !
He didn't think it was going to happen here BUT the sneak attack at Pearl harbor happened and we all know the results now don't we.
It was the liberals 'god', FDR, he can do no wrong.
OF COURSE HE DID'T WANT US PREPARED FOR PEARL HARBOR !!!!!!!
His goal was to put people to work even if it killed them.
What a deal or should I say, New Deal.
Come on Lyzko, wake up my boy.
You have any idea how many jobs Trump will create when he o.k.'s the Keystone Pipe line, starts rebuilding the military hardware, build the Trump Wall and on and on ?
Crooked Hillary is just a continuation of Obama making more slaves to the government by putting them on the public dole.
Come on Lyzko, let me give your class a one hour lecture on Conservatism. HA !

Exactly. I didn't 'choose' to live in the ghetto - I was born poor. I also chose to get out of my situation - just as any able bodied, able minded person can. Even a black kid born in the worst neighborhood can chose not to get involved with gangs and drug dealing, go to school, finish high school, and take advantage of all the scholarship and programs available specifically to him.

The fact is, FDR used war to get the economy going. He was nothing but a war profiteer - just like the bankers who fund both sides of a conflict. He turned the US into a military economy and extended the bureaucracy where government controlled everything.

The depression was just another bust manufactured by the fed their cronies - we've been in a cycle of boom and bust ever since 1913.

FDR had many of the exact same policies as Hitler - anything to get the economy going and turn the country into a war economy - get every man, woman, and child to go into factories to produce shells, tanks, and convert planes.

No candidate's going to be ideal, Johnny! I, just like a lot of other folks out there (maybe yourself included), am only voting for the EVIL of two lessers:-)

As to the rest of your quasi rant/diatribe, I reserve judgment until the Fat Lady singsLOL

Yes, and like with almost any policy there are pro's and con's. Pro's would be social security (which at the time was great, but is now a massive failure - due to the laziness of Americans and the lack of money going into the program), the FDIC, subsidies for farmers, increased wages for blue collar people, benefits for GI's, increased labor force but the con's are meddling in private affairs, enormous bureaucracy, triple government spending, decreased wages for white collar people (little to no overtime - white collar people made almost the same as blue collar despite being more educated), disregarding the Civil Services Act - people who were loyal to the party got jobs instead of those with merit, affirmative action (again, good if you're black with average test scores and want to be a cop but bad if you're white and have above average test scores - most likely the black guy will get the job even though he's less qualified), artificial control of prices and markets, and ultimately the beginning of what the New Deal has ultimately turned into - a welfare state where the undeserving get homes and a government that is so expanded you can't sneeze without first getting a permit and paying some ridiculously high tax.

Cop out.....you have ragged about the New Deal until you drove me nuts.
Then when I take the time to show you the other side of the nickel of it and you cop out because you can not argue the facts.
Lyzko is a college professor of history, how dare you challenge his intellect of his major !
I know I am DONE debating him on his #1 crutch called the "New Deal".
(No doubt he did his thesis on it.)
If he didn't get it after my last three posts he never will.
See Lyzko, I graduated from a University with a double major and three minors myself and THEN turned into a redneck cowboy. lol

To each his own, my friend!

I'm just suggesting that before we condemn outright, we examine the alternative and the alternative WITHOUT Roosevelt OR his New Deal, from where I sit, looks pretty dang scary:-)

What, war that maimed, left widows and children, caused PTD, destroyed, blew up innocent is an alternative !
To each your own alright.
You ever killed another human Lyzko ?
It might make examine the alternative a little harder.
why do I even waste my time with you

The GOP just does not want Trump as there nominee.
He is a major threat to them.
Now he is pointing out how the voters votes are meaningless to elect the nominee.
Pennsylvania which holds its primary next Tuesday uses a nonbinding "loophole" primary and that could cost Donald Trump the Republican nomination.
If the state adopted the delegate rules of any other primary he would be a favorite to amass the 1,237 delegates needed before the convention.
Instead, his chances may come down to the whims of 54 unpledged Pennsylvania delegates.
It's called a loophole primary because it could circumvent the delegate allocation rules.
Voters could, in theory, elect a slate of delegates who unanimously support one candidate even in cases where a winner take all contest was prohibited.
This is crazy.
Like the saying goes, "If voting made a difference, they would not let us vote."

You "waste" your time, Johnny, because in the end, you realize that you too may gain insight into issues which you never considered, or even deemed important (though, which ARE), that's why:-)

Check out that Krugman article yet? Happy reading!

PS
That war, in which my father also fought (and nearly died!!!), you might know, could have easily decimated civilization as we know it, were it not for the heroism of men like my father and others to beat Hitler's juggernaut. Don't tell me you're a Pat Buchananite also and honestly believed the Jews got us into the war!!!

Couldn't find it as I refuse to read that extreme liberal left slanted rag.
If you would be kind enough to PM me the internet addy I promise I will read it and give you my thoughts however.

Was FDR a Jew ?

What war Aren't the Jews responsible for would be a better question...

WW2 is one of them, and they even didn't mind funding both sides!

For one, Germany got totally ripped off in the Treaty of Versailles. The German economy totally collapsed in 1924 and it was to the point where one dollar was worth something crazy like a billion or trillion marks - so essentially it wiped out nearly every middle class Germans savings. Well, the Jews took advantage of this by buying up cheap property, business, news papers, etc. using dollars. Even in 1938 the Jews still owned something like 1/3 of the land in Berlin, along with the banks, media, department stores, etc. The Germans saw it as a great injustice that all the land and businesses were owned by a group that represented less than 1% of their country. Quite frankly, they got sick of it and rose up.

Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, is quoted as saying "Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish hands when bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in Europe It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaign no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countries Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps. President Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for."

Hugh Wilson, the American Ambassador in Berlin actually said that he felt anti-Semitism was 'understandable'. He said: "the stage, the press, medicine and law were crowded with Jews... among the few with money to splurge, a high proportion were Jews.. the leaders of the Bolshevist movement in Russia, a movement desperately feared in Germany, were Jews. One could feel the spreading resentment and hatred."

The Daily Mail reported on 10 July 1933:
'there were twenty times as many Jewish government officials in Germany as had existed before the war. Israelites of international attachments were insinuating themselves into key positions in the German administrative machine.'

Just like the 100's of towns, cities, and countries who kicked the Jews out prior to the 1900's, the Germans simply got fed up with the Jews and wanted them out.

The Jews were the leaders of nearly every revolution in Europe in the early 1900's - Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and,Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin.

Let's also not forget that Hitler actually wanted to make peace with England and revise the Versailles Treaty in a non-aggressive manner. A four-power conference was suggested which would preserve the peace. The four powers were Great Britain, Germany, France and Italy. The British straight up said that they were under a ton of pressure from Jewry. Nonetheless, the British PM stated that if Hitler would back off the Jews in Germany, the agreements could work out and the war would be limited to Germany and Russia - with other powers intervening if need be. However, that didn't happen because a Polish Jew, Gryszpan, murdered the German Secretary of State putting an end to completing the revision of the Versailles Treaty but at least parts of the Munich Agreement were signed and enforced in time.