Random Chat 2

Have you ever thought about it ?

No, I'm not.....but who knows, perhaps in my second life.

Yes, he is a psycho.


No, we don`t, you psycho. You accuse others of your own evil deeds. You are exploiting the memory of your poor daughter to play dirty games in the forum.

Yes, Ptak, tell us more on how you expressed your sick elation after two female tourists from Scandinavia were beheaded by Islamists on their camping trip to Morocco ???

Paulina asked you a neutral question: would you be equally elated if one of them was your daughter???

She didn`t abuse your daughter - YOU are doing it all the time.

I wonder what happened to Nigel Farage and all the other Brexit-drummer....

....that's an interesting fact anyhow......polish and hungarian governments are the most EU-critical but their populations aren't.


pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/18/despite-recent-political-clashes-most-people-in-poland-and-hungary-see-the-eu-favorably/

....At least eight-in-ten adults in Poland and six-in-ten in Hungary say the EU promotes peace, democratic values and prosperity. Most in Poland also feel the EU respects their country's values, understands the needs of Polish citizens and treats Poland fairly, though considerably fewer in Hungary say the EU does the same for their country....

Generally one could say the EU's future looks good and secure, never as popular as of right now....as long as such corrupt numbnuts get weeded out the moment they get caught that is!

I'm not sure about Hungarians but Poles are idealists - they still see the EU through pink glasses, but unfortunately this might change and, as we know from history, pink glasses are sometimes broken very quickly. :(

The EU, as a federation of free countries, cooperating on an economic and military level but free to maintain their own internal policies without the rest of the EU meddling in them, is the ideal that we should aim at. It might not be possible with the current neo-marxist 1968 generation still in power though.


Unfortunately, the more power we give to politicians and unelected clerks the more opportunities for corruption there will be. European institutions are full of both and are fostering corruption by definition, a bit like the Roman senate, shortly before the fall of Rome. :-/

.....well.....as I wrote before.....the Brexit didn't lead to a kind of domino-effect as Farage and Co. predicted, quite the contrary....people watched and observed and thought: "Nope".

Not to mention the difficult times right now....pandemia, inflation, energy crisis, war.....as with NATO such times drive home the point how much better it is to be member of a strong alliance....there are not many "pink glasses" left anmyore. People have seen that being alone out there is not "better"!


...na ja....I would agree if that corruption scandal wouldn't had been a scandal in the first place and those known corrupted politicians would still have their jobs.

You cited his organ.

A r*SSian albeit not a total orc. Dangerous though.

Beware of polls. They said the referendum would result in remaining, and most of the political activists and the survey respondents are poles (polls?) apart.

As a remainder, i wish there was a will to have a closer relationship with mainland Europe however the politicians fear the emergence of far right parties. It nearly happened last time.


There's no chance of rejoining until the EU substantially changes, moving far further away from the risk of federalism and political/economic/legal homogeneity. Although the risk of France's 'EU army' has been permanently sunk by the Ukraine war, there is still going to be a lot of change in Europe and Asia. The future will not be as the federalist elements in Europe, especially France, would wish.


It's your helmet.

It also didn't lead to an economic and social disaster for the UK, as many euro-enthusiasts predicted. Looks like both were wrong.


Exactly! And in such hard times, attacking a member state - a front state that basically works like a deep strategic hinterland for Ukraine and provides disproportionately high aid in relation to GDP - seems rather careless (to put it very mildly). All internal bickering should cease and the Union should be more united than ever now. It is, alas, beyond the current neo-marxists ruling the EU to rise above the petty ideological differences.


I'm afraid what we have seen recently is only the tip of the iceberg - others are simply more careful. Oh, well...

The Independent belongs to Lebedev????


....now that would be a dramatic change, wouldn't you agree?

That war showing that the EU members need a much closer military cooperation? To avoid future Panzer-bruhaha? There would be no such discussions about who delivers what to where....that's for sure!


YESSS! *throws fist into air*


Na ja.....


theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/21/brexit-deal-not-boosted-business-uk-firms

...The BCC's director general, Shevaun Haviland, said: "Businesses feel they are banging their heads against a brick wall as nothing has been done to help them, almost two years after the TCA [trade and cooperation agreement] was first agreed. The longer the current problems go unchecked, the more EU traders go elsewhere, and the more damage is done."...

....well....a big difference to late Rome, don't you think? The late roman senators didn't think of being careful, they didn't had to be.

The Brexit deal might not have boosted businesses but it hasn't busted them either.

What is the average wage in the UK compared to the EU? What about the British pound exchange rate etc.? None of the prophecies of doom came true, and if it wasn't for the war, covid, inflation and energy crisis, the general population would hardly even notice that anything changed after Brexit.


...a difference, yes. That's why I wrote "a bit like". Whether the difference will remain that big in the future remains to be seen. As the greatest euro-enthusiast on this board, I shall keep my fingers crossed (but I shall not hold my breath).

Na ja....

....The shadow international trade secretary, Nick Thomas-Symonds, said: "This is a damning report and shows the mess the Conservative government have made over trade policy. For over three-quarters of businesses to say that agreements struck by the government are not helping them to grow or increase their sales is unacceptable."....

That sounds really...well...."damning". And "three-quarters" is nearly all....maybe not the big multi-nationals but nearly everybody else is not impressed!


In that regard you could say that about every bigger parliament.....with a right cross section of humanity.....but that's the important thing, the rules and laws. That nobody is safe and above them.

Ach ja....another interesting tidbit from the polish populace:


notesfrompoland.com/2022/10/26/support-for-polish-government-falls-to-record-low-as-polls-show-public-blame-it-for-frozen-eu-funds/

...Meanwhile, two further surveys show that most Poles blame the government - rather than the EU - for the freezing of Poland's European funds.

Somehow it seems the majority of Poles have a better opinion of the EU than you, my dearest Torqi! :)

...and rightly so! If PiS hadn't agreed to the conditional mechanism, the EU would have to pay out the funds for Poland. The idiots agreed to the mechanism and now they are surprised that EU used it against them. :D They thought that in the face of the war in Ukraine, the EU would show solidarity with a front state! :D The EU showed exactly the same kind of solidarity as it showed with Nord Stream pipelines or Polish shipyards.

However, as I mentioned before, it might eventually turn out for the best if Poland is no longer dependent on the EU handouts. PiS, however, is on a slippery slope and in Autumn they will be either replaced by a more competent government or forced to an uncomfortable coalition.


Because they are idealists whilst I'm a realist, my dearest BB. :) Which doesn't change the fact that I'm a huge euro-enthusiast.

Okay....maybe in Autumn Ukraine has already won!

(Wasn't that a cool arc back to the thread topic by me???)

Scholz will speak today in Davos....maybe he is announcing something which will make Germany look better again.....

*fingers crossed*


Smooth :)


*fingers crossed again*

Who are you trying to fool here? Yourselfm Brexit has been an economic disaster due to which the UK is poorer and ia going to be poorer in the future.

To their credit, more and more Brits are waking up to this reality.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/13/brexit-mistake-northern-ireland-protocol

Though a rejoin campaign will most likely have to wait a couple of years until the baby boomer generation (the only one that really wanted Brexit) makes up less of the population until a rejoin campaign can really get off the ground. Maybe the Ukrainian desire to join will inspire them?


There is hardly any greater solidarity than aiding the Polish people in preserving their democracy. We won't let PiS transform into a second Hungary.

Aaaahhh... the less nice German has arrived. *rolls eyes*


Hardly.

I would like nothing better though than to see the UK rejoining the EU. My euro-enthusiastic heart tells me it would be better for Europe as a whole.


*sighs*

If it wasn't for the fact that I'm a huge Germanophile, I might make a truculent and scathing comment here. My love for Germany, however, prevents me from doing so.

....yeah Tac....that was a fairly arrogant comment....it's neither our duty nor our right to tell other people what to do with their govs......actually that is the biggest anti-EU argument people have....to much meddling from Brussels! (Especially from Germans!)

Some hard truths need to be spelled out. Especially regarding Brexit that was brought about by people who either ignored facts or deliberately told lies.


Yeah sure.

google.com/amp/s/euronews.com/amp/2022/11/17/uk-autumn-statement-how-much-is-brexit-to-blame-for-the-budget-black-hole

Remember all those great trade deals the Brexiteers promised?


And also the weakest one. When Poland joined the EU, it agreed to respect democratic values and the rule of law. If PiS wants to transform Poland into a second Hungary, it is in violation of those principles and the EU has to take action.


He talked about EU solidarity and I was refering to the solidarity shown by the EU (which includes all of us). You are falling for the wrong narrative that this is a conflict between Germany and Poland, when in truth the EU (sans Hungary ofc) stands united by the EU comission on this issue (and with the Polish people). If PiS is that desperate to undermine the rule of law, they will have to tell their voters that this decision will lead to sanctions, and not suggest that this is all a great conspiracy.

Besides, nobody who appreciates the EU wants to see an autocratic Poland, considering how much damage the much smaller Hungary is already causing. In hindsight the EU should have acted much sooner with regards to Hungary, it failed and thus failed the Hungarian people. Hopefully it won't fail Poland.

Taci's OK, but he would seem to have one problem - he doesn't like freedom.

@Tacitus

Your problem, that I will point out to you because I like you, Tacitus, is that you would like to see the EU as a sort of Borg - with the same ideology, same judicial/political systems, same approach to social issues etc. etc. everywhere. I somewhat suspect that there is a poster with Borg and the motto "You will be assimilated!" hanging over your bed (but that's only a suspicion).

As opposed to that, what I would like for all the EU citizens to have - my slightly totalitarian friend - is freedom and right of choice. For example, there might be EU ciitzens who enjoy multi-kulti, multicoloured faces all around them, take pleasure from interacting with islamist doctors and engineers and enjoy watching parades of people waving their dicks in the air (sometimes literally). Brilliant. Such EU citizens should have full right to live in the environments they enjoy - for this purpose they could go to Germany or Belgium, for example, and be happy. Freedom of choice.

There can also be other EU citizens, who prefer a more culturally uniform environment, don't really speak Arabic that well and think that sexual orientation (whatever orientation it might be) should remain a private matter of personal choice not to be demonstrated on the streets. Those people can also think favourably about more old-fashioned societies, with traditional approach to family roles and patriotism, where Christianity is still respected or even followed. Such EU citizens should have full right to live in the environments they enjoy - for this purpose they could go to Poland or Hungary, for example, and be happy. Freedom of choice.

Let's not turn the EU into a Borg, Taci. Let's give people freedom of choice and happiness.

Can anybody quote Ptack's original post here (I cannot find it)? It will be plain evidence for everyone to see.

Yes. Lord Lebedev.


The EU eould have to change massively before that happened. No the Franco/German federalist view with its own foreign and military policy, yes to an economic community of sovereign states.

This is in danger of being a thread about the many shortcomings of the EU. Isn't there anything happening in r*SSia or Ukraine?

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With apologies to Kippling

Take up the German Man's burden -
Send forth the best ye Merkel
Go bind your sons in Fourth Reichs
To serve your captives EU wreaths
To wait in heavy jackboots
On fluttered Rule of Law,
Your new-caught sullen Poles,
Half devil and half child.

Being a functioning democracy is not an optional "ideology", it is a core requirement for EU membership. One Poland signed up to when it chose to join. Freedom of choice comes with accepting the consequences of your decisions. If the Polish governments wants to further undermine the rule of law and they receive support by their voters, then that will mean that they'll ultimately have to choose between getting punished by the EU Comission or leaving the EU entirely if that is too much to contemplate. If the latter is their decision than so be it. They should be aware though that living in such a society will drastically reduce their freedom down the line like it happened in Hungary, but once they are stuck with a regime, they will have to live with it. And that is something most people dont think through before it happens to them.


Always illuminating to read the vivid imagination of people who have most likely never been to a pride parade. Kinda like Christians who fantasized about Jews sacrificing infants on Sabbat.

I agree that matters of sexual orientation should be a private matter (as long no one gets hurt), but that is impossible as long as thr state uses its' power to discriminate against you on account of it (as it is still sadly the case in Poland).

Funny how you keep going on about Hungary, when Merkel and Germany were Orbans biggest ally. the same how you ignore the blatant corruption and mafia state of Bulgaria because it is Germany ally, Krauts like you can never see the forest for the trees, just keep repeating slogans. Pathetic! Tell me this who selects judges for the highest courts in germany? Hypocrite! Anyway in regards to Russia, Hungary is just doing what Germany secretly wishes it would do. Look at the amount of cowardly germans that are against sending arms to ukraine, also all your leaders pigs at the ruski gas swill.


Except when it comes to your precious fake refugees then young german women are asked to dress modestly not to offend, implying it's their fault if they don't and then get raped.

On this we agree.

I've been to lots, but have sadly never seen any dicks on display. And it isn't as if I've not looked.


They've not figured out yet that we always, but always win.