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Wrong. Neither East nor West. Central.

*how many times can one repeat the same thing over and over again before people finally learn*

We are neither pragmatic and calculating like Westerners (we replace that with magnanimity, generosity and willingness to sacrifice) nor scheming and deceitful like Easterners (we prefer sincerity and fortrightness).

Thank you, guys. I sometimes need a useful perspective of our dear friends and neighbours to fully realise the immense luck of being born Polish. :)


This one is the most accurate of all the six points. The idea of individualism and individual freedom is indeed deeply ingrained in the Western (and Central) culture. That's why we sometimes look with such abhorrence at eastern hives.

In general, if people want to learn about Central Europe, they should ask Czechs, Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks about it (not Germans or Russians). Read Miłosz and Kundera, go to a New Year's Concert in Vienna, walk the streets of Budapest and Cracow, pray in St. Mary's basilica in Gdańsk, admire the night sky in Nicolas Copernicus observatory in Toruń, drink dark beer in a Czech pub in Prague looking at a portrait of Kaiser Franz etc. etc.

It really is a different civilisation. Neither East nor West. That's why we call it - at the risk of repeating myself - CENTRAL.

It is hardly dangerous. It is somewhat subjective sure among laymens and - as I understand it - there has been a push amongst former members of the Warsaw Pact to no longer be considered as Eastern Europe (just look at the Edit history on certain Wikipedia articles) but it is fairly uncontroversial amongst expert. If you study e.g. history you will usually have to take seminars about Eastern European history which usually includes Poland and the Ukraine. That distinction gets complicated and questionable the further we come to modern times, but it is really a no-brainer until the 18th century.

One can of course argue that all or no countries are part of Eastern Europe. There are people who argue that Germany is part of Western Europe because the FRG ingrained Western European culture and politics into its' identity after 1945 and whose elements supposedly remain dominant after German reunification. Others do not consider Russia as part of Eastern Europe because they dispute its' European character. The same counts for all Eastern European countries. The Czech Republic was long part of the HRE and than Austria-Hungary. Hungary was long part of the former, though it is important to note that its' historical territory back then was much different to what it is today (which included part of todays Ukraine). Poland is today geographically much closer West than it used to be before 1945. Politically as well, though I would argue that there are still distinct political and cultural differences from Central Europe (e.g. the role of religion in politics).

@Tacitus

I give up.

You totally ignore the fact that Poland is a Latin civilisation country based on Magdeburg and Roman law from the very beginning of our statehood in 966, and keep banging about Warsaw Pact - as I said, Soviet domination is a 44-year bird blot on a 1000-year history of our country.

Enjoy your life of ignorance.


No need to. Such ignorance and willful obstinacy should be looked at with mild amusement and a silent sigh, nothing more.

I remember back in the late 80s an interview with Kundera (IIRC) who said that Czechoslovakia was traditionally considered to be "Cental Europe" rather than "Eastern Europe" (which was basically Russia...) it was just the political abortion known as the Warsaw Pact and its very unwanted alliance with the cesspit known as the USSR that got it labeled "Eastern".

Personally, I'd include Czech, Slovakia and Hungary in "Central Europe" while Poland and Romania are hybrids... partly Central partly Eastern (and also partly Balkan in the case of Romania though it's not really part of the Balkan peninsula...

@mafketis

When I speak to a Czech or Slovak, it is merely polite conversation between distant relatives. With a Pole, I can look him in the eye, and feel the commonality of our soul. Scratch him a little bit, and underneath he's the same as me.

Be quiet, Asian barbarian.

I'm out of this thread (for now). *pouts*

That wasn't my question, Allien

Also known as nHnRnE (where 'n' stands for 'neither') - it was Western. Poland wasn't a part of it because even back then we were already central not western.


Which included Polish lands of Austrian partition. Poland was partitioned between Prussia (Western), Russia (Eastern) and Austria (Central) as I'm sure you know. However, because of general positive attitude of AH towards their Polish minority (there was even a Polish prime minister of Austria) and tolerant policies towards Polish language and education this partition (Central) is remembered the most favourably, and Polishness in general was always built in opposition and in struggle with the threats from both East and West (creating a distinct central identity).

OK, now I really have to go. Get a grip people, learn some history and - when you have some spare time - come visit Central Europe.

Do you have such bad roads there?

Johnny, the effects are yet to come.

Can you advise us Orcs on when you expect them to truly kick in? Last Spring, Herr Biden warned us that the "Ruble has turned to rubble!" - but instead of collapsing, the ruble did a strange thing where it became stronger. Some people say this was a result of the astronomical amounts of hard currency entering Russia due to high energy prices, but we are trained to trust only the pronouncements of the Holy West - so we do not believe them.

Also, small and insignificant countries such as China, India, and Brazil have indicated that they want to move away from trade in the virtuous dollar, towards the most illiberal Yuan, Ruble, Rupi, and Real. I guess they are afraid of your mighty sanctions as well, and are trying to weasel their way out. Parasites!

Again, please advise on when to expect apocalyptic collapse of the Russian economy so we can be more prepared. Thank you in advance for your patience and understanding.

@Bobko


You will surely lose Orban soon and you will lose Serbia. Adieu Crow. And that all because you are not able to suplay them with oil.

It's the West that has the ability to create Crusades. The East can only form Jihad.

The West is more democratic, law-abiding, prosperous. The East is authocratic, corrupt, has no rule of law to speak of and has lower living standards.

Countries of Central Eastern Europe that joined the West after 1989 are more prosperous then ever before. Countries that chose Russia (Belarus) or could not make up their mind (Ukraine, Moldova) are poor and either have faulty democracy and rule of law, or none at all.

Of course we could have said no to Western orientation. Belarus said no - and 5 years later became an authoritarian state. Ukraine, a country which in 1991 was richer than Poland said no and in 2022, prior to invasion was at least 3 times poorer that us. Some of the Balkan states did not want to ally with the West and now are poor, butthurt countries (I'm looking at you, Serbia!). There were other models of development - it's just they all failed.

Thanks to aligning with the West and introducing its economic model Poland is now more prosperous country than ever before. Our security is also stronger than any time in the last millenium. I call it a massive win. Even more massive when just beyond our eastern borders we can see the results of alternative path.

Please allow me to use your space as a springboard to express my opinions. If you object, just let me know.

Analogies that you dislike so much are sometimes necessary to paint accurate pictures without resorting to profanity.
I am sure you are familiar with binary star systems, two stars gravitating around one another, a phenomenon frequently occurring in the cosmos. A similar occurrence

can be witnessed on the pages of the PF. Two binary brown eyes appear and disappear at roughly the same time. I am frequently confused, unsure

if I am seeing two separate BROWN EYES of just one BIG DWORF, AKA sack; you know what.?
I can dignify insanity by replying directly because how do you answer little brown eye statement or what I call a shot in the kache lapy That she didn't

drag innocent child names through the mud because I previously refused to cry about a couple of foolish European women. To make sure
I stand by my previous statement, leaving binary brown eyes to crocodile tears. For emphasis, let me repeat stupid, stupid, naive white women
trained by teachers much like brown eye # 1. What does expressing my opinion have to do with my innocent daughter.?

@Przelotnyptak1

WTF was that post all about?????
Sorry Ptak, it may have been English, But it was incomprehensible nonsense to me!
It sounds like Rich's favourite subject.....poetry.....LOL!!!!!

What was wrong with that road?

We must stay On-Topic

The wine may be a contributing factor.
What was the Topic of this thread again ?
Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto?

I understand and that is why I said, "was/is".
Meaning, so far, how effective do you think the sanctions on Russia oil was/is when Russia is selling oil to China, India and others while they in return are selling to the West.

Did the oil sanctions merely create a greedy middleman and nothing more ?

Yes, you did. You also happily scorned their death. Then Paulina asked you if you would be equally happy if such a fate happened to your daughter. She didn`t know your daughter was dead. .

Now you are trying to whiten yourself but it is too late. We all know from your recent posts that you are a brutal psycho abuser.

That for sure. Even Ukraine buys oil in russia for their Leopard/ PT 90 tanks. The next step are sanctions on everything from russia. It will come and it will be a one-time thing in a history. Even in WW2 there was no full sanctions on Germany.

Good for Polish conditions but wavy like an old communist pavement.
Ps. Is it Polish Yellowstone? (Białowieża).

Just a bit exaggerated and I see NOTHING PERSONAL in that statement, but YOU had to make it personal because you are a dirty Polack.

In fact, it was NONE of your business or of concern to begin with now was it ?
You were drunk again and decided to chime in.


She must have missed Ptaks post about it then.
Then when it didn't involve you in the least you had to play defense attorney to Paulina who was the dog in the fight like you Polacks like to do.

Circle the wagons and attack.
You were drunk and made it Personal at that point.
It was YOU who got nasty and confirmed that because of Ptak sharing with us months earlier about grieving his daughters death you ass hole manipulative mother fvcking liar.


That is EXACTLY what you are trying to do, Maggot.
Manipulate the truth with your twisted lies again.
Projecting YOUR SIN onto Ptak but it's to late, we are all onto your Maggot manipulating lies.


It is obvious that you are talking about yourself.
I have all your brutal psyco posts about YOU claiming that Ptak was responsible for his daughter death stored in my archives
How fvcking sick of you to suggest such a thing is that you drunken ass hole.
Remember this one ?


You really are really fvcked in the head you slimy drunken Polish Maggot.

Exactly, darling, I made it personal against psycho Ptak because his scorning the death of two females and later his pathetic lies about Paulina required such a strong reaction. Ha!!!


Of course it was. I always defend people against injustice coz I am a teacher and it is my job. Ptak falsely accused Paulina of attacking his daughter so I had to intervene.


Lies. :):):)


Excellent. When I lose them, I will ask you for sharing. :):):)
While we could all see Ptak`s psycho posts about me or Paulina. There is a perfect balance of nature, then. hahahaha


Why sick? Was I too sincere??? The truth is I started viewing Ptak in that way after I had read all his sick lies, false accusations and excremental insults. He truly sounds like a family abuser in his posts. Today he pretends love to his deceased daughter but I strongly suspect he had abused her.

Drama: *Begins*
Boomers of PF:

Perfect jump.

Of course, I did, coz it was a natural course of action as we were all directly involved in the discussion about two beheaded females. When later on Ptak spat out his sick lies about her, I stepped in. Simple.

However, it seems Ptak somehow relishes on such stupid exchanges with me. Our current exchange commenced on 17 April when he had written sick things about pawian again. He perfectly knows the rule which I informed him about a few weeks ago - whenever he writes pawian this or that, I immediately reply and comment on his abusive nature. Isn`t it simple??? :):):)

This rule will remain in force until he learns how it works. So, the choice is his. Isn`t it obvious? :):):)
But we can run such exchanges for years if he fancies them so much. :):):)

Do I use such bad incoherent English that you suspect me of being drunk??? :):):):)

Several times I admitted to making fruit wines with my own produce but it doesn`t mean I drink them every evening, especially on working ones. :):)

So, you are lying about me again. You are exactly like Ptak. Why those American Polacks are such abusive manipulative liars??? Is it sth in the water or hot dogs or what???

Hmm, now I got it, my English is badly incoherent because I am never drunk.