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johnny reb
19 Jun 2023  #1171

the International Court of Justice in the Hague did make a ruling against the US in the Nicaragua v. The United States case and ordered the United States to pay war reparations:

Remember: it took 20 years, trillions of dollars, thousands of lives and four presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

Novichok
19 Jun 2023  #1172

the International Court of Justice in the Hague did make a ruling against the US

I have a question for you: Did the US give them just one middle finger or both?

Cargo pants
20 Jun 2023  #1173

lol neither,the whole arm.

Joker
20 Jun 2023  #1174

I just reported you for Off - Topic Trolling

You are the same as a Democrat. Always blaming others for exactly what youre doing. A total hypocrite.

Joker
20 Jun 2023  #1175

Who in their right mind would climb into that tiny submarine and visit the Titanic? And they paid big bucks as well, like only a cattle ranch owner could afford.

Titanic tourist submarine 'may be stuck in ship's wreckage 12,500ft below Atlantic'

nypost.com/2023/06/19/titanic-tourist-submarine-goes-missing-in-atlantic-ocean/

They still have have around 30+ hours of air left....... I hope they rescue them


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Cargo pants
20 Jun 2023  #1176

Who in their right mind would climb into that tiny submarine and visit the Titanic?

People who dont buy accidental clown cars and brag about 2 new teslas in there garage on a free forum while drinking cheap beer and puffing pot.

johnny reb
20 Jun 2023  #1177

You are the same as a Democrat.

You are the same as every other drunk......always repeating yourself and always playing the blame game.
You need to grow up and stop your whinny little meltdowns here.
Nobody cares.
Maybe you should find another forum to post your filthy cartoons and rants on.
You suck Timmy, you really do.

Novichok
20 Jun 2023  #1178

I hope they rescue them.

If they do, more will want to do the same. If they don't - never again.

Atch
20 Jun 2023  #1179

Smelly seaweeds in Florida.

And a criminal defamation law - so, no free speech there. In fact you can be awarded damages just for having 'hurt feelings'.

And according to you:

When my right of free expression does not include the right to hurt your feelings that is no right at all.


johnny reb
20 Jun 2023  #1180

Dear Mother in Law,
Before you start telling me how to teach my kids, let me remind you that I live with one of yours and they need a lot of improvement. :-)

Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1181

Hard to say it developed in any recognisable linear way.

I didn't claim that. I wrote that the concept of democracy has it's origins in ancient Greece. That Greeks were the first. The very word for democracy that you're using comes from Ancient Greek. I don't understand what is your problem with that... Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

jon357
20 Jun 2023  #1182

Are you arguing

I wasn't arguing. Are you?

I'd still say that the tripe about Athenian origin is overrated.

johnny reb
20 Jun 2023  #1183

Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

WHO ! joun ? lol
Meanwhile, the UK Government plans to "Unlock the power of location data", surveil population movement.
The Hippies Were Right !

Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1184

Are you?

No.

I'd still say that the tripe about Athenian origin is overrated.

Why "tripe"? Everything man-made usually has some origins or was made or done for the first time at some point by someone. Sometimes it is documented, sometimes it isn't. In case of democracy it is documented that ancient Greeks were the first to think of that concept and introduced it in some initial form. I guess you could say that they were the precursors :)

Novichok
20 Jun 2023  #1185

How many opposition parties were there?

How many opposition parties are in the US? Zero.
We have one party that - just like during army exercises - divided itself into red and blue swamps to pretend opposition for the gullible moron voters they need to validate the "system".

They compete for power the way Chinese communists compete for power and drug gangs in Chicago compete for street corners. Even the Italian mafia had competition and elections.

The US is run by the MIC and the corrupt pyramid that supports it. You show me how the Reds and the Blues disagree where the MIC and the never-ending wars are involved. Or immigration. Or deficit spending...

As part of the show for the morons' benefit, they disagree on irrelevant red meat issues.

China has one party and an economy no country can match. And the billionaires to go with it...

Do you think they count their billions and condos in Hawaii or how many parties there are in China?

Talking to kids is so exasperating...

Luke1410
20 Jun 2023  #1186

I see, so it's the Catholic Church that was causing the gap in democracy, that would explain a lot about the current attitudes in the EU towards Italy and Poland actually, it's starting to make a bit more sense. So ideally we want to reverse that unfortunate 2000 years from history?

Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1187

We have one party

No, you don't.

Talking to kids is so exasperating...

Discussing with brain-dead morons is even more exasperating :)

Novichok
20 Jun 2023  #1188

In fact you can be awarded damages just for having 'hurt feelings'.

BS. Nobody got money for hurt feelings. Loss of reputation and potentially loss of income is another matter.

Florida criminal defamation law is simple. Quoting:

Florida law defines defamation as a knowingly false statement made for the purpose of damaging the victim's reputation or character. In order to qualify as defamation in a Florida court, the statement must generally be:

Communicated to a third party ("publication"),
Objectively untrue("falsity"),
Made without caring if the statement is true ("reckless disregard or negligence"),
Substantially damaging to the victim's reputation ("actual damages"), and
Not just offensive, but objectively harmful ("defamatory").


Did you notice that having your feelings hurt is not enough?

When I said "hurt feelings" I mean hurt feeling as THE ONLY thing. You expanded this to include lies - false claims even the 1st Amendment does not cover.

Florida criminal defamation law deals with HARMFUL LIES directed at a specific individual. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Euro-fascist states, a mere presumption of group hurt feelings may lead to criminal prosecution with nobody actually complaining!!!! Like this:

French actress Brigitte Bardot was fined to the tune of €20,000 - approximately $23,100 - for calling native Indian Ocean islanders "savages."

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See the difference or not yet?

Novichok
20 Jun 2023  #1189

No, you don't.

If the US has two parties so did Poland: PZPR and PZPS.
My advice to you is to stay in your lane or you will look as stupid as you did just now. Don't tell me what we have here. I know better.

Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1190

PZPS

You mean this?:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polski_Zwi%C4%85zek_Pi%C5%82ki_Siatkowej

;D

If the US has two parties so did Poland

I've already explained it to you, you tiresome idiot. It's not enough to have "two parties" if the other party or even two parties are not a real opposition parties, but are subjugated to the first ruling party. And that was the case in PRL. The PZPR had led two other legally permitted subordinate minor parties together as the Front of National Unity and later Patriotic Movement for National Rebirth. In reality PRL was a one-party state.

My advice to you is to stay in your lane or you will look as stupid as you did just now.

It's you who looks completely moronic over and over again.

Don't tell me what we have here. I know better.

How can you possibly know anything if you're so ignorant and moronic about pretty much everything? ;D

Novichok
20 Jun 2023  #1191

but are subjugated to the first ruling party. And that was the case in PRL

...and so is the case in the US. We call it swamp - the unelected money that rules via K-Street, military contractors, lobbies, associations, and the billions that lubricate the system. Voters are merely decorations - just as they were in Poland.

Please don't bore me with your Civics 101 crap anymore. When I decide to get down to that level I will visit the nearest elementary school.

Atch
20 Jun 2023  #1192

we survived an accelerated transformation from communism to democracy and capitalism (with no manual on how to do this),

No, but you had a lot of support from outside. The present Polish administration is arrogant and won't ask for any help because they don't think they need it. Just look at the suggestion that immigration policy should be decided by tacking a referendum on to a general election which is only about three months away. That's not how to do referendums on such serious issues. Referendums are carried out in response to societal change from within a nation and a feeling of a need for a national debate and decision on a particular area. PIS's only interest is in trying to screw the EU, hoping they can tell them that they have a mandate from the Polish people to reject migrants.

In any case what they're proposing is unlawful because it's about rejecting EU law which the country is signed up to. It's a very poor example to set the Polish nation. It's typical PIS behaviour where they take something inherently good, without seeing the real good in it and attempt to do a 'hustle' to exploit it for their own ends, after which it will be discarded. They're tarnishing the idea of referendums and in the future people who might be open to the process will associate it with sharp practice and devious ways for governments to get their own way.

Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1193

...and so is the case in the US.

No, it isn't.

We have one party (...) Voters are merely decorations (...) You show me how the Reds and the Blues disagree

It's interesting that I've heard the same rhetoric some years ago about the US from Putinist RuSSians who were trying to devalue American democracy and who claimed that it's no better than RuSSian, just as you claim that there's no difference between the US and PRL.

They claimed that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are like Pepsi and Coca Cola - that there's no significant difference between them, because... neither of them is pro-RuSSian :D

You have a mentality of a Putinist RuSSian, Novichok. I wonder what is the reason for that? Is it just RT brainwashing or something more?

Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1194

The present Polish administration is arrogant and won't ask for any help because they don't think they need it.

But I didn't mean the present administration, which is interested in conducting only those referendums that suit their agenda :) I was talking about KO making the promise of referendums as part of their campaign and those referendums taking place if KO/the opposition wins the elections.

Novichok
20 Jun 2023  #1195

just as you claim that there's no difference between the US and PRL.

You are a lying idiot. I never said there was no difference between US and PRL. Show me where I said it.

They claimed that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are like Pepsi and Coca Cola

And they were damn right.

Why do you think we call these slimy pretenders RINOs? Duh! To please the Russians?

As I said, you are an idiot who knows sh*it beyond Civics 101 kiddie textbooks.

Bobko
20 Jun 2023  #1196

Article in the FT this weekend, titled: "Europe has fallen behind America, and the gap is growing". This is a topic that has been furiously discussed in my industry over the last decade, and is now becoming a well accepted fact.

A quote:
In 2008, the EU and the US economies were roughly the same size. But since the global financial crisis, their economic fortunes have dramatically diverged. As Jeremy Shapiro and Jana Puglierin of the European Council on Foreign Relations point out: "In 2008 the EU's economy was somewhat larger than America's: $16.2tn versus $14.7tn. By 2022, the US economy had grown to $25tn, whereas the EU and the UK together had only reached $19.8tn. America's economy is now nearly one-third bigger. It is more than 50 per cent larger than the EU without the UK."

Smart people in my industry have come up with a myriad potential reasons for this:

1) The atomization of Europe
2) Burdensome regulatory environment
3) Rigid labor markets
4) Access to cheap energy
5) Ineffective monetary policy
6) and so on, and so forth...

However, I have my own view on this, which is very simple. I'll admit I have not done much research to confirm this. So here it is:

1) In 2004 the EU went through a historic expansion. The so called "A10" countries were admitted. These included: Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia.

2) The dynamic economies of Western Europe were suddenly saddled with a huge task of getting the poor East to catch up with them.

3) Huge transfers of capital began to occur, in a West-East direction.

4) Money taken out of effective economies, was squandered on projects in countries with far lower productivity, and much higher corruption.

5) Money does not grow on trees.

6) How fast would the US economy grow if in 2004, Mexico was annexed?


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Paulina
20 Jun 2023  #1197

You are a lying idiot. I never said there was no difference between US and PRL. Show me where I said it.

I meant as far as the political system is concerned and not in general.

And they were damn right.

No, they weren't :)

Why do you think we call these slimy pretenders RINOs?

Who is "we"?

Bobko
20 Jun 2023  #1198

@mafketis

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

GefreiterKania
20 Jun 2023  #1199

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

Are Russians still "ardent for some desperate glory" and fall for the old lie?

A national war for survival: like Poles fought in 1939, Russians in 1941 and Ukrainians at the moment, can justify the highest sacrifice of soldiers' lives. Fighting so that thieves can keep on stealing and oligarchs can keep on sh*tting on their golden toilets? Hardly.

Bobko
20 Jun 2023  #1200

don't see you dying on the frontline though. Not so "sweet" afer all?

Clearly you don't know the joking continuation of this citation.

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere.

Basically, it's nice to die for country, but even better to live for it. Sweetest of all is to drink to it.


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