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I bet she would nag and play the victim. Maybe he just gave in to shut her up/?
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It wasn't the main reason, he was created with free will. What was it he wanted to become like God and make decisions about what is good and what is bad? Something modern progressive so-called democracies aspire to.

That's a great question.

Scripture says she ate of the fruit, then gave some to her husband and he ate. Then, both their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked.

It seems like the answer would be that if Adam didn't eat of it, then neither would have been punished; because, it wasn't until Adam ate that they experienced the revelation of sin.

However, I think there is something much more profound going on. Adam and Eve are distinct individuals but they are unified in their humanity (human nature) God, as many Christians believe, is three distinct Persons with a single divine nature. We are made in the image and likeness of God. In other words, we are made to be unified in God's divinity even though we are distinct persons-like God Himself is.

What happens when Adam takes of the fruit, is he, as the seed of humanity, causes that unity to be torn asunder by his free decision to offend God. In other words, the effect of his sin is that we become disunified because we are separated from our aource of unity: God.

Not sure if that makes sense.


I disagree and from what I know, so does Christian tradition. Nowhere does scripture say he wanted to decide what is good and what is bad, but that he gained knowledge of good and evil.

It makes sense.. but to me the fruit represents.. sexual sin. They were not supposed to have sex but they did. That's why there's the talk about being naked etc. I believe people don't understand it properly, it was not an apple or a regular fruit. It can take time to debate, but just food for thought. For me it's enough for today, good night :)

I see you're even creating your own version of Genesis lol

"we don't know it in all details." :D

True, we don't... Maybe none of that even happened :D


=No babies lol

What does that even mean? It makes more sense he wanted to make decisions in place of God to judge what is good and what is evil. In other words to decide what is moral and what is not what is sin and what is not.
That knowledge was only a side effect of dabbling into issues reserved for God.

And you believe that unsupported nonsense from hundreds of years ago?

God help us!!! LOL!!!

It means before Adam took a bite of the fruit he was in perfect union with God-he was utterly immersed and enveloped in the good. He had no knowledge, experience, or effect of evil. Impossible to have such when in perfect union with Perfect good Itself.

When he ate the fruit, he then knew, experienced, and felt the effect of evil, because he disobeyed God.


Yes!!! Please God help all of us!


Agreed!

About the sex part, I disagree. I think the shame of nakedness signifies the corruption of human nature.

Good night...and thanks for good and civil discussion

I wonder for what that fruit is a metaphor ....

Anyhow....have to leave this interesting discussion now too!

'night all :)

Great point, those ancient human beings were no saints.......

The fruit that grew on the tree of knowledge has become the symbol for temptation, sin, the fall of man, knowledge, and immorality.
The fruits origin explains the state of the world, with the fall of man leading to poverty, violence, disease, and greed.
The fruit was the catalyst for the fall of man when original sin entered creation and led to the reality we face every day.
And the fruit is not recorded as being an apple as we know them.
Attending Christian churches is where you learn and obtain such knowledge.

Amen !
Bobko, your knowledge of the word is most impressive.

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Me too.

God as absolute good created all of creation as good. The fruit was good- Genesis says as much. So I don't see it as a representation of something bad or evil.

I think it is more a metaphor of the moral order. How do we act towards, use, or relate to other creates things that are fundamentally good? Do we act in accordance to God's will or do we disobey Him? It shows how evil can use vessels that are inherently good to corrupt human (and thereby all of creation's) nature .

It shows that when we disobey God, we corrupt the created good- And that corruption of the good has dire consequences, as the immoral act separates us from the perfect good.

Another interesting interpretation of Genesis:

Read Genesis 1:1-4. St. Augustine interprets this as God banishing the angel Lucifer and his compatriot angels from heaven.

*nods*....makes sense!

But....now that idea.....Is that "disobedience" through a "bad fruit" not a man-made interpretation?

I mean god created Adam and Eva for....what? To wander eternally the green grasses of Heaven in a childlike state, without any awareness at all?

Where is the sense in that?

Was that figuratively eating of the forbidden fruit and becoming aware not maybe the planned next step of a planned growth-process? Including leaving Heaven to find our way...including errors and all? I mean...that was GOD, and he didn't know/could nothing do about it????

To come back maybe some day as you so nicely stated into the Garden...eternal bliss PLUS awareness?

*so many questions*

I think equating obedience to God as lacking self-awareness is flawed. We were created for perfect communion with God. Our natural state is that perfect communion. Becoming aware of something contrary to that-evil-doesn't make us self-aware, it makes us aware of evil.

We were not meant for evil, but for perfect good. Our ultimate awareness of ourself, if you will, is communion with God. It is purpose of our existence. Being separated from God actually makes us less aware of our true self. Our discussion proves that: we are trying to figure out just who in the hell we are. 😄

To leave that perfect good for the sake of going on a journey to re-find that which we are willfully leaving seems absurd to me. Meaning, it wasn't imperative.

To do such is like breaking something of ineffable value just so you can try to figure out how it was put together in the first place. It's an absurdity because you will never put it back together as perfectly as it was in its original state.

What you are really questioning is the whole idea of free will and its purpose.


😀 So true!!

Again, I don't think it was a bad fruit. It was good, just used to introduce evil.

As far as a man-made interpretation. I wouldn't say its an interpretation, rather a story to convey reality-truth.

Is Genesis literal? Could be, but maybe not. What I am certain about is the truth it imparts is absolute. God created an ordered universe that is good and meant to be in communion with Him. Man has free will. Evil exists and is sourced in beings (devils). Man disobeyed God and thereby separated himself from his perfect Creator.

I must get back to work. Later, beebs.

Merged:

black man defecating into drinking water in Poland

theworldwatch.com/videos/1620988/illegal-naked-migrant-make-****-to-the-lake/

x.com/PoleConnection/status/1817866833472508374

magnapolonia.org/murzyn-ubogacil-kapielisko-w-katowicach-zostalo-zamkniete/

Please post in English so that we don't have to guess your meaning.

Do you know English?It's that language that you Americans inherited from England......

Won't matter soon Rich, better start brushing up on your Spanish!

1. Black is irrelevant. All migrants should be shot.
2. If this is drinking water in Poland I will never drink water in Poland.

I watched all three videos and there was no evidence of defecation.Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't.

More likely he was just having a P!$$

And haven't we all done that in a lake a pool or the sea?


Quite right.The colour of the perpetrator is irrelevant.

Na,@Korvinus, this is just provoking hate media just like the ones that caused the recent riots in the UK.... all caused by fake news posted by the Russian state.

Please check all posts for Russian or Chinese influence before reposting "Fake News".

Interesting why admin doesn't consider this a good candidate for a permanent thread. I could easily see it being discussed daily, like "Polish Aid to Ukraine", and going into the hundreds of pages. When a Polish person defecated in a pool, there was no news story about it..

Really?

When a Polish person defecated in a pool, there was no news story about it..

Exactly..... end of discussion.....

Do you really think we would be discussing some black guy's poop for months on this forum?

And you, Milo, are an attention getter on a neurotic scale.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with my post and you know it!

No, Milo, you're right. Novi/Rich doesn't know English.
He learned it on the fly, that is, in flight from his native country.

He knows English well enough not to need an interpreter. You do. Nobody here knows what the fvck you are trying to say...You don't, either.

On the other hand, posters here called me names but not a single one ever said: What do you mean? What I post is crystal clear. Even right now.

BTW, how did you learn to walk? Did you take anatomy courses? Did you study the law of gravity or just simply fell on your ass according to it?

While we are on the subject of English.... Do you know the definition of a woman, Professor?

Are you serious Milo?

Men don't squat to pi$$.

Or the UK, if Milo is even close to the truth. what a bunch of Stone Age barbarians.No drinking water for me, anywhere in Europe.

I was just joking.

I thought it was hilarious that Korvinus tried to create a whole thread dedicated to a black guy pooping in a water fountain... but then again, the "Grzegorz Brain Extinguishes Candles" thread had serious traction.

...while the US still has no thread of its own.

Or Russia...considering what an existential and permanent threat Russia is to the rest of the world and beyond...

Take it easy, Alien, and enjoy our mutual half-polish friend, Bobko, masterfully hyperbolizing the possibility of discussing poop of any kind. As far as excrement
is concerned, the political, cowardly class, with the help of dishonest media, is feeding confused masses BLM excrements by the spoon, and judging from the reaction, the masses are consuming repugnant crap with gusto. A glaring example is a recent posting by my confused friend, Milo, minimizing the
act of polluting drinking water committed by dastardly black and instantly diverting readers' attention to a Pole doing the same.