Religion discussion - muslims, jews, buddhist, and christians

The only time I remember Jews being discussed in my (US) public education was an elementary teacher who described Judaism as a religion (not an ethnic group). She volunteered that Jews love money and they rejected Christ as the messiah because he wasn't rich enough.... (this was the same teacher who spent long periods of time talking about the "Terrible Turks" and the various tortures they inflicted upon prisoners) so anything she said was taken with a grain of salt.

Everything else was on TV (in which Jewish people have always been over represented so any negative images picked up there are the work of Jews themselves).

American Jews (as a grooup) tend toward cognitive dissonance - wanting to be ignored and simultaneously be the center of attention. They're not the only group like that in the US) as different groups want to take over the history of the US and recast their history as formative moments of the country.

Do you mean too many Jewish presenters and broadcasters or characters in dramas, comedies? Or too many Jewish producers, directors, script writers or all of those. I'm surprised you didn't mention Hollywood as surely they're 'over-represented' there too. Isn't that simply because they pretty much created the movie industry and therefore had a big hand in creating television too, I would imagine.

Yeah I just read makfetis post and did some other digging around, I think the Jewish thing is a big deal in America, never figured in my life in the UK. but I can relate to what you said about doing work for them on the sabath, only recently I came across a guy who lived in london who also said he used to make a few bob doing jobs for them on the sabath.

Now here is a daft question, the amish look like the jews with their dark suits hats and hairstyles is there a connection somewhere.

Oh yeah Maureen Lipman is Jewish, I used to fancy her when I was a young boy, does that mean I'm not anti semetic.

No I don't think there would be any connection. I think the Amish look like that because they've retained the American style of dress of the mid-Victorian period as part of their rejection of modern ways. Remember Abraham Lincoln's beard, it was very similar. Actually the Amish women still wear the headgear of the Puritan era.

Maureen Lipman - thinking man's crumpet :D Funny lady. Do you remember the BT ads? 'Anthony, if you get an 'ology' you're a scientist' :))

I'll just leave this here.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouHaveToHaveJews

A lot of it is understandable given history and genetics (since they were engaged in de facto eugenics for centuries).
Up through the 1970s and into the 1980s Jewish Americans were all about assimilation. I remember when it was normal for them to celebrate Christmas (easy to do with no religion whatsoever in the US) and AFAICT that pretty much doesn't happen now (beyond going to Chinese restaurants on Christmas day).

But as someone once said in paraphrase: (US) White guilt is all about being too ethnocentric or racist for your descendants (who would be embarrassed by your attitudes) and Jewish guilt is largely about not being ethnocentric enough for your ancestors (who would be disappointed in you for assimilating).


No, those are American Indians (in some places their 'folk' costumes are actually early versions of European clothes of the 18th or 19th centuries).



The Amish dress like the German peasants that they are at heart. Many of them still speak a kind of German among themselves and a lot of their lifestyle is part of the overall "Back to Nature" movement in 19th century Germany (which also beget the Hippies). It's also part of not accepting things that are not described in the bible (like electricity or internal combustion engines or zippers).

You're obssesed. Protestants had more anti-Jewish juice for a few decades than all Catholics combined for a few centuries. Your take is a strange mix between liberal dogma that holds religions responssible for all the ill in the world and your Jewish obssesions.


Who cares? Another lable without substance. Criticize any Jew or Isreal for anything and they hide behings that - antisemite slogan. It lost is juice outside progressive m.

Antisemite term seems to be just used when someone may be jewish and wants to shut down any form of anything. Yet another race card type thing. Antisemites are the people who want to eradicate the jews, i won't bother naming them. An antisemite is not someone who disagrees with a jewish person or refuses to adopt fake history.

Australia seems to have an especially sadistic batch of sickos. Two of the most notorious were Peter scully and a guy who owned several day care centers.

This is why I think RC priests should be able.to marry. Rabbis other Christian priests etc can all marry. You don't seem to have the same problems in the protestant faith or orthodox. Among of the more religious jews from the cases I've read about were mostly like old school punishments yeshivas i.e. 50s USA but nothing sexual like with the Roman Catholic church.

The reason why Francis won't admit to this is simple. It's the age old one hand washes the other. Moat people wont want to bite the hand that feeds them or bring additional heat. Personally I don't like Francis because I think he's far left and has become involved.

Yep it's not pretty and will be eradicated. Hopefully its a thorough cleanup. I think the church would become more appealing when it can declare a 99.75% rodent eradication rate.

You are way too kind. He is a straight up communist.
Which wouldn't be so bad if he only kept his opinions how to run "America" to himself. Then he could devote more time to taking the Vatican wall down and replacing it with a beautiful, wide bridge with a banner: All Muslim Scum Is Welcome.

I don't know how it would be in Latin. In Italian: Tutta la feccia musulmana è la benvenuta. Or so claims the google translator.

that hasn't stopped sexual abuse in Orthodox Jewish (or Muslim) circles... the independent variable is not religion or celibacy but grown men spending time in the unsupervised company of children... If it's less common with protestants it's because they don't have tradition of men instructing children in the faith away from their parents

draw whatever conclusions that you wish...

I'll ignore your taunts for the moment, Ironside.

Atch is certainly on to something and I couldn't agree more!!

The thing I always loved about getting away from New York City, was the wonderful way Jews in other parts of the country, in other parts of the world, assimilate usually soooo well into the host culture.

Once met a Danish Jew named Steen Moeller, as much a "kartofel dankser" as the best of 'em, so NOT HUNG UP with being a sort of professional Jew, proudly displaying his nation's flag (Denmark, not Israel), Danebrog, on his car, above the drive way of his house in Koge and yet quite aware of being a Jew.

A Swedish acquaintance who happens to be Jewish as well, looks like Erland Josephsson when much younger, Jewish by descent, SWEDISH by nationality and affiliation.

Know any number of British Jews here in the States who looked as though they walked out of a classic Britcom, with Anglicized names like Braithwaite etc.,yet retain their Jewish identity within themselves and do their country proud at the same time.

There's plenty of abuse going on with Protestants too - for example, plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/victim-boys-brigade-leaders-sexual-783205

And a whole database here - theukdatabase.com/category/boys-brigade/

dude what is that you don't get? would a straight man from a normal family go into boys? nah....un F likely. It is about dudes who are not straight or are somehow damaged that are the problmes, Priests had their problems before the modern liberal Church, women, booze or money,tt hat abuse of young boys is a new thing.

at least if they were married that would be another couple of eyes that would be focused on their erm activities in public office.

how about make it as it was - no gays?

Then the rule is don't let religious men (regardless of religion or marital status) around young boys with no supervision....

I didnt think the church employed gays, (knowingly) has that changed ?

Or girls too even. There have been some awful cases in Poland where priests have abused under age girls.

duh? where have you been for the last 50 plus years? its stared in the 60' and is getting worse.
like what were you thinking that a straight dude would go into boys? If you think like that maybe your wife should watch you closly, 16 -18 years old girls sure possible but boys - really?


No, the rule is don't let men who are kin to work with kids to do it with no supervision.

Ok I know of one gay priest who was sent from poland to the uk , I think to get rid of him, but i didn't know it was policy to allow gays... Honest.


Don't get personal Ironside.

I think you mean "who are not kin" and.... fair enough. Religion is no safeguard against the worst instincts of male desire gone wrong....

Don't be rude! You will know if I ever decide to get personal. I'm asking about your state of mind. I guess you never have given a thought to the issue. Not a church goer rright?


I get it. You were/are busy with your life. There were policy in the RCC not to let gays in, since 60' they started to ignore it more and more.


yes

You see that was the answer I was looking for, not abuse


birminhghamistan is a very small place that I know like the back of my hand that includes the polish club and the community. I also know most of the halal meat packing plants thereabouts'

My state of mind is great, the courts have sent sent to see plenty of psychiatrists non have commuted me yet.

It is about paedophiles full stop. They are attracted to young children. I'm really not getting the homosexual bit. Where is the evidence that paedophiles within the Catholic Church are gay? Why would an adult homosexual be any more likely to want to abuse a child than a heterosexual one? They are attracted to members of the same sex, not young children. Accessibility is the issue here. The church is male dominated and these priests have easy access to young boys especially and are in positions of trust. Same as in what used to be other male dominated organisations, Scouts, Boys Brigade etc. At one time in the UK there used to be high levels of abuse by paedophiles within these organisations too.

Yes it is and it's terrible , the courts are far to lenient on them its more about helping them that it is the victims, out in two years to re offend , disgraceful.

Sadly these individuals find priesthood a good cover for their activities, yes I agree other careers such as scout mastering gives them the cover and opportunity to express their perverted desires.

Accessibility combined with parents' stupidity and ignoring the first, most cardinal rule in life: DO NOT TRUST ANYBODY!!!

Well that's not helpful , at some point a parent has to trust a priest/ rabbi/iman, scoutmaster or a teacher to take care of their child, a parent cannot simply be told not to trust anyone to protect their child, its for police , society and the courts to eradicate these evil people so that children can lead normal lives without coming to harm, using your logic a child would have to be educated at home under constant supervision of a parent and thats just not possible in this day and age.

Unfortunately yes, and it's not just confined to the Catholic Church either.


That's unfair. You are trying to blame the parents for the actions of paedophiles?


Including family members? Many cases of abuse come from within the home or are committed by 'family friends' known to victims. Best not send them to school either.

Well exactly as part of the topic thread we are probably discussing the darker side of a minority of evil people that hide behind the good that many priests, imans, rabbis etc are striving to achieve, I have to say by discussing this problem I have no intent to demean the good intent of these religious groups, my concern is where these issues have been covered up by the governing bodies of some religions and in certain circumstances for many decades.