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Crow
11 Oct 2018  #721

Orthodox Church dissolving - will Orthodox Slavs form their own Christian Church ?

Patriarchate from Constantinople decided about Ukraine as it suits to Greeks, despite stance of Czech, Polish, Serbian, Bulgarian and Russian Orthodox Churches.

Crow
12 Oct 2018  #722

New Info - situation of Catholics in Bosnia and Herzegovina - of course, CNN, BBC, lying b**** such is Christiane Amanpour- that was paid to write against Serbs during civil War started from outside of Yugoslavia.

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By forcing Nazi-Islam option and by all doings of Germany, Vatican, France, Britain and Greater Croatia, Catholics of Bosnia and Herzegovina, in their regions, live by rule of sharia law. They aren`t able to vote for their legitimate representative. In institutions of state they are represented by president/politicians that are elected by Muslim majority. In short- Catholics in Bosnia and Herzegovina live as sub-people. Only light to them coming from Serb Republic within Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is because during Civil War, Christian Orthodox Serbs managed to won its own real autonomy within state, while to remind Greater Croatia was in alliance with Islamic league and Germany, where dominated Nazi-Islam option. So, over Christian solidarity and over with memory on Catholic Serbs, Serb Republic tries to balance so that take in consideration interests of Catholics.

See what Vatican, US of Clinton`s and western European Catholics gave to Catholics in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Catholics there are sacrificed for the global deals with Islamic League. First they were forced to be Croats, not Serbs. Now they are given to Muslim world.

See how Catholics of Bosnia and Herzegovina, victims of world politics and European ruling Catholics, desperately protest - see these images worldwide spread thanks to Serbians on Polish forums >>>>

Right now got video >>> For the eyes of my Polish sisters and brothers, to see what are Serbs and that are Serbs only obstacle here in the region to Vatican`s and western Europeans schemes with Islamic world in the very heart of Europe >>>

Its in Serbian, but as Polish speaking you should understand something. At the table are Mr. Dzaferovic- presidents of Muslims in Bosnia (elected by Muslims) and, Mr. Komsic- presidents of Catholics in Bosnia (but elected thanks to voice of Muslims- such is the electoral system, while Catholics are against him). On video bim is president of Serbs in Bosnia (elected by Serbs) and he will be president of Bosnia in next period, in tripartite presidential rotating system of presidents.

So, Serbian president in Bosnia, Dodik is asked - will he support new agreement with Islamic Community about new bigger authority of Islam in Bosnia and he says NO (in Serbian. Necu). Before, Muslim and false Catholic presidents said YES. >>>>> VIDEO on 3: 30-30:50 >>>> youtube.com/watch?v=H-qL_sWT1_s

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Serbs say NO to more sharia law in Bosnia, in parts of Bosnia outside of Serb Republic (because no sharia law in Serb Republic at all, Serbs have autonomy) and that way Orthodox Serbs protecting Catholics of Bosnia

Do you, do you understand the game. All doings and all propaganda against Serbs because they oppose to world mafia and criminals.

delphiandomine
12 Oct 2018  #723

To give some background to what Crow's talking about: three Presidents are elected in Bosnia, each representing the major ethnic groups. What happened was that some Bosniaks voted for a Croat rather than a Bosniak President, which meant that the pre-election favourite for the Croat seat on the Presidency lost. It's happened before, and it's a weakness of the Presidential election there that electors are free to vote for whatever candidate they want rather than being bound to vote for a candidate from 'their' community.

(surprised to see you support the HDZ, Crowie...)

Dirk diggler
12 Oct 2018  #724

Sounds like the situation in lebanon. That same sh1t is going to come to other european countries too. I think france will be next. There's going to be a situation where the politics are divided by race/religion due to the huge muslim population. France is already divided and theres all these riots, protests, states of emergency are now a regular occurrence.

That's going to be a big problem for the locals. Just as theres far right far left candidates and parties, eventually muslims will form their oen parties and field muslim candidates. Some will be secular and liberal, others will be cconservative and religious and theyll demand sh1t like sharia law and laws based on islam. And as the population of muslims overall grows, so will the portion of them that are wahabis/salafis and support sharia.

Crow
12 Oct 2018  #725

some Bosniaks voted for a Croat rather than a Bosniak President, which meant that the pre-election favourite for the Croat seat on the Presidency lost.

You didn`t explain it well.

Point is that during Civil War, under pressure of Vatican, US Clinton, western Europe and Croatia, Catholics of Bosnia and Herzegovina were forced to abandon coalition with Serbs, to betray them and together with Croatia join in alliance with Bosnian Muslim extremists. Ideology that united Bosnian Muslims and Catholics was pro-Germanic Nazi-Islam ustashe ideology imported from Croatia. In turn, after Civil War was over, in Dayton peace conference in 1995, in USA, Vatican, US Clinton and western Europe sold Catholics of Bosnia and Herzegovina to their ally partners from Islamic league. War deals from pre-war and war period had to become reality. Now, Serbs won their autonomy (actually independence) during Civil War and they saved themselves, while Muslims got their sharia-law based Islamic state in the heart of Europe. Catholics of Bosnia and Herzegovina and their territories were sacrificed for ``higher good``.

Today`s Bosnia and Herzegovina function as kind of Belgian, with two main autonomous regions. There is Serbs Republic and then so called `Federation` of Muslims and Catholics, where are Muslims great majority. So, you see, Catholics aren`t able to have authentic representative of their own interests. Voices of Muslims always decide outcome of every elections and instead to have one their man in Bosnian-Herz. tripartite presidency, Muslims have two and Catholics non, while Serbs have one.

NOTE: Catholics of Bosnia are remain of Catholic Serbs but not they ae deeply confused considering that Vatican in deal with Germany favor transition of Serbs into Croats. Bosnian Muslims themselves are Islamized Turks from Turkish occupational era. So essentially, speaking of Civil War in former Yugoslavia, those are all wars Serbs vs. Serbs thanks to meddling of foreigners where is religion manipulated to the maximum. In any case, only Orthodox Serbs managed to preserve their real ethnic identity.

(surprised to see you support the HDZ, Crowie...)

Far from it. I just bringing you the info whats going on with Catholics of Bosnia and Herzegovina, while Vatican & Co. don`t give a sh** for them. No, Vatican used them and then actually ruined them.

Dirk diggler
12 Oct 2018  #726

How much autonomy does serb republic have? Do they have their own ministries, serbian used in schools, government bodies etc like chechnya in russia or are they more tied to the bosnian government with limited independence like individual states in the usa? Also are there more croats and catholics in serb republic or bosnian federation?

Crow
12 Oct 2018  #727

Serbs paid great price during Civil War but they won their freedom almost entirely. They have their government, ministers, other institutions. They have real autonomy within Bosnia and Herzegovina with real constitutional possibilities to separate if Muslims insist on sharia-law.

We have very interesting situation now in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Betrayed by Vatican, Croatia and western Europe, regional Catholics now turning to Orthodox Serbs for protection. And again my people see in them nothing but sisters and brothers. I hope Serbs would be vigilant for eventual new betrayal. For Vatican and western Europe are lethal and serious foe.

delphiandomine
13 Oct 2018  #728

How much autonomy does serb republic have?

They've got a huge amount of autonomy, even down to the roads being a matter devolved to entities. Taxation is devolved (with the exception of VAT and excise taxes), education is devolved, so it's broadly comparable to Scotland or Flanders, but they even have their own postal administration and police (though there are some national police services, such as border guards). The armed forces are on an all-BiH basis, though.

What they don't have is the right to leave BiH - Dayton never provided for any possibility of secession. The reasons why are complicated, but basically, had Milosevic not agreed - the Croatian Army in cooperation with the Army of Bosnia-Hercegovina would have cleaned Bosnia out of Serbs within a couple of months if it wasn't for the ceasefire and Dayton. There was no real support in Serbia for the Bosnian Serbs at that time, because they'd gone too far with Srebrenica and other incidents.

So, what you can say is that Dayton gave a huge amount of autonomy to them, but at the same time, imposed very clear limits on how far they can go. It mostly works, because when you look at the actions of the RS, they are behaving somewhat reasonably (by Balkan standards). The FBiH is far more of a mess administratively because Croats and Bosniaks can't agree on anything.

Also are there more croats and catholics in serb republic or bosnian federation?

In the Federation of BiH, but the FBiH has also devolved a lot of power to individual cantons, so the Croats have control over things like schooling in their areas.

The interesting thing for me is how peaceful BiH is as a whole. No-one is bothered by a Muslim wearing a headscarf in a Serbian area, nor is anyone bothering Christians in majority Bosniak areas. I was in some small town looking at a mosque a couple of years ago, and the imam told us to come in and look around. He wasn't bothered by the lack of headscarf, all he asked was for us to take off our shoes and he was more than happy to show everything. The exact same thing is seen in Orthodox and Catholic churches there - I've seen a very bearded Orthodox priest happily show Arab tourists his church!

Crow
13 Oct 2018  #729

the Croatian Army in cooperation with the Army of Bosnia-Hercegovina would have cleaned Bosnia out of Serbs within a couple of months if it wasn't for the ceasefire and Dayton.

funny statement. Funny, really. If they could they would do it. They did it wherever they could and they had great support of NATO. So, one good thing from your comment. Good thing is that we here see how are you aware that NATO took part in ethnic cleansing of Serbs and genocide on Serbs.

But anyway, if they pressed things just a little bit more, Serbia would openly enter war and then what.... there would be world war. You know how it works.

because they'd gone too far with Srebrenica and other incidents.

There was committed genocide on Serbs. But yes, Serbs didn`t control world mass media. Vatican, western Europe and US Clinton did.

delphiandomine
13 Oct 2018  #730

But anyway, if they pressed things just a little bit more, Serbia would openly enter war and then what.... there would be world war. You know how it works.

I'm not sure Serbia would. People were fed up by then, Milosevic was openly criticising the RS leadership, and Serbia didn't want to risk the war spreading into Yugoslavia too.

Make no mistake, Milosevic wisely agreed to Dayton before it was too late. He'd seen what happened in the RSK at the hands of the Croatian Army (which was ethnic cleansing, let's not pretend otherwise) and he didn't want the same for the Serbs of Bosnia.

Crow
13 Oct 2018  #731

I'm not sure Serbia would.

I am sure Serbia would. There is traditional pattern of Serbia`s behavior when under pressure. I assure you that Hapsburgs thought the same as you- `not sure Serbia would`. And look what happened. Austro-Hungaria was much stronger then Nazi-Islaimic Greater Croatia and Bosnia will ever be and Serbia wasn`t reluctant to accept challenge.

People were fed up by then, Milosevic was openly criticising the RS leadership, and Serbia didn't want to risk the war spreading into Yugoslavia too.

You have wrong info, whats not surprising to me. People in Serbia were fed up with Milosevic. He was already at that time considered a traitor here. Banker that came from USA. Banker that doing little to support Serbs in Krajina and Bosnia-Herzegovina. So Milosevic was under pressure of public to do something, to move more aggressively. If it was not for the Dayton, either would Serbia enter in war, either would be coup d`etat and Milosevic would be put down and Serbia would enter war. In any case, if not for the Dayton, Serbia would enter war. Dayton saved Greater Croatia and Bosnian Muslim Caliphate.

But, it was just the first round. Now people there in the region more and more welcome Serbian influence and presents. If somebody must be overlord, if thats the game, Serbians are overlords here (Serbians of all three faith- Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim) and not Germany, not Vatican, not France, not Britain, not China, not Japan, not Turks, not Israel, not US, not Russia, etc. Sorry, you would have to understand that these foreign interests must be reflected via Serbians. Who understand that may profit here, who don`t, must retreat.

jon357
13 Oct 2018  #732

I don't recall Jesus advocating property confiscation at the point of a gun,

He made His views very clear about those who store up wealth.

TheWizard
13 Oct 2018  #733

How John? I am not familiar with this? What does it say about that topic?

johnny reb
14 Oct 2018  #734

Matthew 6:19-21 will answer your question Wizard,

Rich Mazur
14 Oct 2018  #735

Matthew 6:19-21

I read it and noticed that there a copyright next to it. What is it? A joke?
Other than that, I am glad I didn't know any of this while saving for my retirement.

johnny reb
14 Oct 2018  #736

I read it and noticed that there a copyright next to it. What is it? A joke?

No Rich, that is not a copyright, it is a reference to another verse elsewhere in the Bible explaining the same thing only by a different Apostle.

I am glad I didn't know any of this while saving for my retirement.

You should have read on where it explained clearly not to store up your treasures on earth where they rust and thieves steal them.

For where your treasures is, there your heart will be also.
No one can serve two masters, you can not serve both God and money.
Oh those of little Faith.
Don't worry about what you shall eat or drink or the cloths you wear.
The Pagans run after these things.
Worry does not add a single day to your life.
Seek first his Kingdom and all those things will be given to you as well.
Don't worry about tomorrow Rich for tomorrow will worry about itself.
Each day has enough trouble of it's own.
Wise men store up knowledge/wisdom and a rich man stores up his salvation.
Let me help you with your salvation and you will look at all of this much differently. :-)

Rich Mazur
14 Oct 2018  #737

You should have read on where it explained clearly not to store up your treasures on earth where they rust and thieves steal them.

What does this mean in 2018 with the federally insured banks? That I should have no savings and live p2p?

TheWizard
15 Oct 2018  #738

You cant survive today like that!

johnny reb
15 Oct 2018  #739

What does this mean in 2018 with the federally insured banks? That I should have no savings and live p2p?

No Rich, and you are the one always pointing out about reading comprehension.

No one can serve two masters, you can not serve both God and money. The Pagans run after these things.

Money & materialistic things should not be your treasure in life as they soon rot and become worthless.
Well unless you have no Faith that is......how does that song go......."I once was blind but now I see".........
The man with Faith has Eternal Salvation for eternity and that doesn't rot and become worthless but is for eternity/forever which is a long time.

And lucky us....... God gave us the choice to choose.

That I should have no savings

Your savings should not be the priority treasure of your life unless you are blind to Faith of WHO blessed you with them.
Get to cocky of a smartass and He may humble you with "He giveth and He take awayth."

Rich Mazur
15 Oct 2018  #740

Your savings should not be the priority treasure of your life unless you are blind

We will never agree on this. As I wrote in my book...
I used to say that money is the most important thing. Now I know better: it's the only thing. Everything you will hold dear in your life - your kids, marriage, pets, friends, your health, and stress-free life - will depend on how much money you have. If you don't have enough, how are you going to save your dog if it gets sick or hurt and the vet bill is going to be four-thousand?

Once you have money, it's a lot easier to be loving and generous.

johnny reb
15 Oct 2018  #741

We will never agree on this.

That's because you are talking about a complete different topic Rich because you are blind in Faith.

Once you have money, it's a lot easier to be loving and generous.

No doubt and I agree as I wrote in my book, "Money can't but your Health or Happiness but it sure greases the wheels."

Rich Mazur
15 Oct 2018  #742

Where is your book available?

johnny reb
16 Oct 2018  #743

"Money can't but your Health or Happiness but it sure greases the wheels."

Typo
It should have been, "Money can't buy your Health or Happiness but it sure greases the wheels."
Sorry Rich, my book sold out.

Rich Mazur
16 Oct 2018  #744

Money can buy health and, therefore, happiness. It's very hard to be happy when sick or dead. Money can also buy lots of friends, dogs, cars, food, TVs, trips, paintings,...

Where was it available before it sold out? What is the title?

johnny reb
16 Oct 2018  #745

Money can buy health

Tell that to people with terminal deceases with loads of money Rich.

Money can also buy lots of friends, dogs, cars, food, TVs, trips, paintings,...

Friends ? Are they friends if you have to buy them ?
The rest is all temporary Worldly STUFF for people who live in the world to fulfill their Worldly desires. (Temporary)
That's why it is called Satan's biggest lie. (He who ends up with the most toys wins) NOT !
I guess that works for the un Believers. (Satan's captured souls)
For the Believer that Stuff is just Stuff that brings temporary happiness.
Believers put their Faith of Eternal Salvation that will last for eternity (which is a very long time) ahead of worldly desires such as dogs, cats and T.V.'s.

If the Believers are wrong they have nothing to lose, if the un Believer is wrong then they have EVERYTHING to lose.
Not sharing the Kingdom for eternity with your grand daughters Rich is one hell of a throw of the dice one would think.
Each to his own as Christ gave us the freedom to make that choice.

What is the title?

"Major on the Majors and Minor on the Minors."
What is the name of yours ?

Rich Mazur
16 Oct 2018  #746

What is the name of yours ?

"Preaching to the Stupid" amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=preaching+to+the+stupid

Tell that to people with terminal deceases with loads of money Rich.

Funny that you mentioned that. There is an article about how desperate people spend about 100k a year to stay alive until they are broke and destitute. The same article mentions a drug that is very good at fighting cancer. The problem: it's 475,000 bucks per case. The result: poor people will die a lot sooner and no prayer can prevent that.

Friends ? Are they friends if you have to buy them ?

Men don't have friends. I explained that in my book. You "buy" them just like you buy any companionship. If you have hard time with that, try this experiment: never invite your friends for dinner and see how long they will be your friends. BTW, to invite friends for dinner, you have to have a place and dinner. Try to do the same in the park with no food pretending you are homeless and tell me how many came.

BTW, do you know a vet who would fix your dog for free? I don't. Please, don't tell me that you don't have a dog.

johnny reb
16 Oct 2018  #747

Men don't have friends.

I do, in fact I have quite a few friends that I have never invited to my home.
In fact my whole Christian family of friends fall under that category.

BTW, do you know a vet who would fix your dog for free?

Yes, matter of fact I do if she knew I couldn't afford it.
I am surprised you take your dog to a vet and that you don't fix him yourself as smart as you are.

Rich Mazur
16 Oct 2018  #748

I don't like dogs. That was just an example.
We clearly have different definitions of "friends". Here is mine:

Later, the concept can be tested easily by answering this question: how many people do you know you would loan a grand, let them stay at your place and eat your food for a month because they were unemployed and broke? Would you let any of them stay with your girlfriend when you are away for a week and trust that she will still be yours when you are back? How many would return the favor? If the answers are zero and zero, you don't have friends - at least by my definition.

All those outside of that definition are "buddies". Like to play pool with and go to a local bar for a beer. But that does not make them friends.

Crow
18 Oct 2018  #749

Do you people follow development? What if New World Order among else means restoration of pre-Christian Slavic religion?

Rich Mazur
18 Oct 2018  #750

Who and why is trying to restore what?
What "development"?


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