Supporters of abortion should be permanently banned from this forum

He has always done it, first as Ironside, now as Cojest. That`s a quality he can`t get rid of. :):):):)


Amen.

@Lenka
Thank you Lenka. He does need help. It's just so hard to get. My mother is trying, of course.
@Paulina
We've been trying to get her back to Russia for two years unsuccessfully. I don't know all the processes, but it's all very challenging.

Child was certainly affected. Adoption would be a bad idea. He's been away from her for three years. My parents take care of him. They adore him, but he's very hard and they have my 13 years old sister going off the rails, and a ten year old. Literally the only times he stops screaming are sleeping and, recently, playing violin.

@Cojestdocholery
More fun! God you're funny. So funny. You're literally less mature than my sister's kid. And YOU are the troll, dumb troll.

Once again DO YOU THINK THAT A WOMAN'S LIFE SHOULD BE RUINED BECAUSE OF A WORTHLESS CLUSTER OF CELLS?!?! Or is such a question outside of your capacity?

@RussianAntiPutin
I suspect your story is a fiction.

@Alien
Well you're wrong. Please don't speak to me if you're going to say things like that. Don't waste your time or my time. There's really no point.

@RussianAntiPutin


I laughed when I read that. The internet is the perfect place to find people like that. If you look hard enough, you'll actually be able to find people with basic manners and the ability to present an actual argument, instead of just calling people stupid. Although @Cojestdocholery is probably the most immature person I have ever spoken to, on the internet or otherwise. (Note: I have spoken to children who have just started learning how to speak).

If I don't like to kill, then don't kill but it is o.k. for you to kill...........is that your logic joun ?


Sources please as I posted my source for you. :-)


Oh the irony
all you do is call them ignorant.


Clearly......... :-)

So don't have a termination if you think it's 'killing'. Feel free to remain pregnant or not.

Nobody will force you to choose to or not to.

I don't think it, I know it is.
I don't know what else you call terminating an innocent life but killing.
See joun, you can promote all your Liberal propaganda that you want here as being acceptable, (Satan promotes lies too) but it still won't change the fact that killing a living embryo or fetus isn't in fact KILLING !

I really don't understand why it is such an issue with or concerns a gay guy at your age anyways to be honest.
You have been the head of the snake on this topic ever since I can remember banging on and on repeating yourself over and over again.

Let the little girls here at breeding age hash it out.
If they aren't smart enough to keep their knees together or use birth control shouldn't give them the right to kill for being irresponsible.

Momma always use to say, "girl, you gonna dance foolishly, ya gonna have to pay the piper."

The opponents of abortion can commit criminal acts or even murder themeselvs.

Can we just stop pretending that abortion is a thing men should have any say in? Men don't get pregnant, they don't have to suffer birth or extreme bodily damage or breastfeeding or being vomited on by a baby or child. Surely women should have the decision on their own bodies? Women aren't incubators.

And when they kill someone, they are held accountable, right ?
The twisted Socialist propaganda posted here to justify killing the unborn for selfish convenience is sick.
They try to convince you that because a "living embryo or fetus" (the first stage of a human being) is not 'aware' that it is o.k. to kill it.

NO, killing a human being at any stage of life is not o.k.


Of course, and that decision is made when the panties come off to have unprotected sex.
That is irresponsible and has consequences of accountability but killing is not one of them.

They do, however the concept of abortion triggers them. Not because of actual abortion which they don't care about either way; it's solely about party politics.

Sources please. lol
joun, that propaganda was golden and takes the cake.

Children are not "women's bodies" - they are separate organisms with unique genes and DNA code.


Well said. :)

@johnny reb
Firstly, ever heard of rape? And do you honestly think that an adult human beings life should be ruined for the sake of a few cells? And if you want to talk sentient, the brain doesn't begin developing until the fifth week, when it acquires sentience is much after that. And do you think there should be any accountability for the father? He also chose to have sex. I do in theory agree with you on the matter of unprotected sex, but I have the maturity to know that life is much more complicated than that.

@GefreiterKania
I didn't mean that foeteses are women's bodies, sorry if that wasn't clear. I meant that women should have the choice not to carry and give birth to them. Do you think women should have their bodies destroyed?

And one thing. With a traumatised mother who was forced to give birth, a child will likely have a miserable childhood. And what if the woman refuses to cooperate during the birth? The baby (certainly a baby at that point) would be at severe risk. Would she be forced to have a caesearian section? Yes? That's forced surgery. Would you be happy about forced surgery? Only you both have no idea about the risks of pregnancy and childbirth, because you're men.

@johnny reb


Typical. What if it isn't a decision? What if a woman is raped? Oh, wait, the child shouldn't be punished for that. Is that right? The woman should just have a constant reminder of being raped. You act so over-privileged. You seem to think that if a woman doesn't have an abortion/termination, the child will be better off. Imagine this: you're a young child. You have never met your father, and your mother can barely take care of you. She can't find a job, so she has no money. Sometimes, you go weeks at a time without food. Sometimes, you go months without a bed. Sometimes, you go months without a roof over your head. This happened because your mother was raped, in a country where abortion is illegal, at the age of 14, and her parents kicked her out. Don't tell me that never happens, because you would be lying. It does happen.

@Nadia


This is exactly what I though back when I was anti abortion. When I was 10, that is. But some people mature to have a less black and white view of the world and..... some don't. It's called lack of intelligence.

And can all of you just remember that not every woman is cut out to be a mother? 45% of people in my country think that a woman's main purpose is to have children. But not every woman can sacrifice herself for them. A woman who does is admirable, surely. And its not about being selfish or any such nonsense. A woman who doesn't want children shouldn't have children, because THEY will suffer, and she will suffer. Surely you don't feel the need to increase and maintain suffering. That isn't what Jesus stood for, is it?

There are circumstances that may be considered if a crime was committed to impregnate an unwilling victim.


So, the cells are 'still alive' and growing into a human being.


Oh stop with your nonsense as it certainly is.

Justice has nothing to do with "feelings" idiot.

Justice is like beauty, and truth (all three things being all related to one another). When justice exists it edifies, uplifts and raises a culture to an higher level. Injustice by contrast degrades and destroys.

Feelings by contrast can be moved by injustice as easily as they can by justice. Witness all those people who cheered and even cried when abortion was extend to actual infanticide.

I agree and that is why they make birth control pills, rubbers and practice abstinence but you have to have self-control, a brain and be responsible which all goes against Socialist rational thinking.


You mean like huge monthly child support checks for the next 26 years in Poland ?
$125 a week x 52 weeks in a year = $6500 a year x 26 years = $169,000.
I call that accountability by the father, don't you ?
And some women even find this quite lucrative and gets the man drunk and she rapes him for his seed so she can rake even more money off two, three, or more bastards.

Meanwhile killing their baby is just the easy selfish way out for irresponsible selfish women.

to woman`s choice. After millenias of controlling and dominating women, males are losing this war. Luckily.

@johnny reb
I didn't say anything about the selfishness of abortion. I said it in general isn't selfish for a woman not to have children. Do you think all women should be mothers or did you misunderstand me?

And I don't mean child support. Child support isn't a real father. I mean marrying the mother and helping raise the child. THAT'S accountability, real, tough accountability. Would you support that? As well as mental support for the mothers, fathers and children if required? Also, you call innocent angelic children bastards? And then say you care about them? Care about them for their whole childhoods so that they can be happy, well-rounded people, not just in the womb. In a world full of happy, well-rounded people, abortion will become obsolete. And do you think that women should raise children they didn't want? That never ends well. What does end well and would eventually end abortion is kindness and compassion.

@Korvinus
I asked you who you think should be saved if only one. Mother or baby? Please don't call me an idiot, it's uncalled for and aggressive.

In an ideal world, abortion would never happen. But we sadly don't live in an ideal world. Maybe we should set this issue aside until we 1. Hold fathers accountable PROPERLY 2. Ensure support for anyone who needs it and 3. actually work on making mentally stable happy people.

Convince me there's a way mothers and fathers and children will all be happy and I'll agree with you.

The men see it quite different as the women have brow beat the men to dominate them in the last few decades.
And knowing that the women are the weaker sex we know that the men will never let a woman win that war. Luckily. :-)


I did as the woman is thinking about just herself and not her unborn baby.
Why would you project that I think all women should be mothers ?
Did you misunderstand me ?


If that is the case they can put them up for adoption.


So now you are saying that you are against killing unborn children or did I misunderstand you again ?

@johnny reb
I agree that adoption is kinder, but life is more complicated. Unfortunately.
I'm not saying I'm anti abortion. I'm saying I will be when the fathers marry the mothers, and there will be empathy shown to all parties, and it can be assured that there will mostly likely be a happy group of people. And to ensure the children especially are happy.

And just to say, I don't want any animosity between me and other members because of this. My whole life isn't my opinion on abortion. I can agree with and like you elsewhere even if not here.

And it's not that I think abortion is a good thing. It's not, it's heartbreaking, but sometimes better than the alternative in such a cruel unforgiving world, sadly.

WoW !
You sound like my kind of person to be friends with.
You seem like a very nice person to me.
When I tease the Polish girls here they get all up tight and have meltdowns and start ranting.
You never name call or go off on rants like they do.
I also believe that abortion is warranted in cases like rape, incest or life threatening to the mother.
But not in cases for merely convenience.

@johnny reb
I'm going to hope you're not being sarcastic about me and leave this discussion on the best note I can.Thank you

@RussianAntiPutin
NO, I am not being sarcastic with you.
You have a very mature attitude which I respect.
And thank you as I have enjoyed debating you as well. Cheers ;-)

@johnny reb
Yes, she is to smart for a 16year old Russian girl from St. Petersburg. Thats why I don't belive in her story. Nevertheles she/he/it is an enrichment fot this Forum and hopefully will stay with us for a long time.

I was going to make a sarcastic joke about how I'm sure all the hundreds of thousand of abortions performed in the west are from women who got impregnated by their rapist but then i figured the you might be a soy faggot who actually literally believes all intercourse is rape.

If abortion was only allowed in case of rape or to save the life of the mother or any other strawman argument like that the number of abortions performed would be in the dozens at best. It's a stupid, fallacious argument. It's like trying to claim murder is perfectly ok because, what if you have to kill to save your own life? It's the same exact sh*it.


The grotesque part is when those strawman situations are then used to justify literal infanticide:

youtu.be/_xD8cPgcZ3E
The baby is out of the womb, is alive, then they kill it at the discretion of the mother. And you know how they got away with this? By arguing that psychological trauma or distress falls into the category of "saving the life of the mother", because of the cases of post-partum suicide.

You faggot boomer lefists who are still stuck at muh fetus and muh victims of rape muh saving the life of the mother still don't understand you were useful idiots at the hands of a satanic agenda that has moved WAY past that s*hit. Lefists literally threw a party and light up some skyscraper in NY to celebrate when third-term abortions were approved.

Abortion is a thing society has a say in. Democratically, through the licensing process, we collectively decide what doctors are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do. Pregnant women are free to do whatever they want.

"My child" is a misnomer. No, that child is not yours. It's ours and is managed on our behalf by the courts and child protection government departments. Temporarily, until it reaches the age of 18, it's leased at no charge to the custodial "parents" providing that they conform to the lease conditions. If they don't, the child is taken away from them - a real legal test of who owns the child.

We take full ownership of a child not later than when the process of giving birth to it is complete. At our discretion, we can do it earlier and extend full legal protection to that child while it is still inside the woman. That is why in most of Europe, this is done at the 12th week since conception - a totally arbitrary number. In Oklahoma, it will be from moment zero.

The argument "it's my body" is fallacious. Whatever the label, it's a composite of the woman's egg and the man's sperm, a fact that makes him co-owner and gives him a moral - if not legal - standing in the matter.

The fact that it is inside the woman's body is irrelevant. If that woman is murdered, we charge the offender with two counts of murder, not one. Again, at what point in the cycle it's two instead of one is arbitrary and decided by a democratic process.

BTW, JR is correct and you are wrong.