75 Years of Israel and the War

theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/13/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-news-gaza-palestine-evacuations-military

Don't want to lose their human shields...un*****believable!

Israel issues an expulsion notice to over 1 million people...nothing to see here.

yep, that's how the polaks should role.

Yes.
How many wars on Israel would you, Lenka, allow before in your opinion Israel is entitled to conclude that killing Arabs is the only way?

So far there were 3.

5? 10?

Also, you do realize that Arabs can lose many times, come back, and try again. Israel needs to lose only once to cease to exist. Duh!

Looks like their just about to do that to northern gaza. worse than than the nazis. scorched earth policy.no man, woman or child left standing.

Dugin says that in the West you have to be for Israel, otherwise you go to prison

The West goes openly totalitarian. You have to be pro-Ukraine otherwise you're gonna die. You have to be pro-Israel otherwise you're gonna be jailed. Welcome to the new democracy rules. You are complete slave. Enjoy it.

twitter.com/Agdchan/status/1712814904049074597

In the US , if you are against Israel, you won't get elected. If you are against LGBTs, you are a homophobe. If you are against BLM you are a racist. If you are against open borders, you are a xenophobe. If you are against abortions, you are a women hater. If you are against NATO, you are an isolationist scum.

Dd I miss anything?

👎how low can germans go?

Germany vows to prosecute burning of Israeli flag

rt.com/news/584777-germany-prosecute-israeli-flag-burning/

jay bill
OAF SCHOLZ burning flag's is NOT OK, burning & blowing up, GERMANY'S NORD STREAM one & two , and MAKING GERMAN'S FREEZE in winter is OK with OAF SCHOLZ

✍️🔥🏫 CEOs seek to blacklist Harvard students after signing pro-Palestinian letter

💥"Several CEOs are urging Harvard University to release the names of the people in the student organizations who signed a pro-Palestinian letter that criticized Israel. "

💥"At least five of the 34 student groups that co-signed Saturday's letter have since retracted their support for the letter, per the Harvard Crimson student newspaper."

Names and faces of Harvard students linked to an anti-Israel statement were plastered on mobile billboards and online sites

New York

CNN

A billboard truck drove near Harvard's campus Wednesday displaying the names and photos of Harvard students whose organizations signed a statement blaming solely Israel for the deadly attacks by Hamas.

The "doxxing truck" appeared days after the Harvard Palestine Solidarity Groups, a coalition of Harvard student groups, earlier this week released a statement that held "the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence," following the attacks by Hamas that have killed more than 1,200 Israelis and more than 25 American citizens. More than 1,400 in Gaza have also been killed since Israel started strikes on Gaza following the deadly Hamas attack.

Some students and their groups have since distanced themselves or withdrawn their endorsements from the statement amid an intense backlash inside and outside of Harvard. Several said they did not read the statement before they signed it.

A conservative nonprofit said it organized the truck featuring the virtual billboards with students' names and images under a banner that reads: "Harvard's Leading Antisemites." It also published names online. CNN has not independently verified that the named students were associated with the letter.

In the wake of the mounting backlash, at least eight of the original 34 co-signing Harvard student groups had withdrawn their signature from the statement as of Wednesday afternoon, according to the Harvard Crimson student newspaper.

The reversal from a handful of student groups also comes after billionaire hedge fund CEO Bill Ackman and several other business leaders demanded Harvard University release the names of student signatories so they would know not to hire them.

edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/business/harvard-doxxing-truck-israel-hamas-statement/index.html

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The THREE BIGGEST LIES They're Spreading Right Now!

Another day, another epic instance of Western hypocrisy.

Israel tells a million plus Gazans to get the hell out, and not to come back until Israel tells them they have permission to do so. That's like telling a million people from uptown Manhattan, to move downtown for an indefinite period of time (Gaza is about the size of Manhattan). Even in NYC it would likely result in hundreds of deaths, through exposure, criminality, and other factors. In Gaza, which is cut off from supplies of medication, food, and other aid it will lead to thousands of deaths.

This is righteous retribution. This is Israel exercising its divine right to defend itself against attacks. Move along folks - there's nothing to see here.

Russia moves children out of a warzone, and places them with host families throughout Russia. Instead of telling Ukrainians to evacuate to Western Ukraine, or better yet - permanently emigrate to Poland - we're busy issuing them passports. We're setting up centers within Russia which assist Ukrainian migrants with restarting their careers, or addressing PTSD. We're opening up our healthcare system to them, and paying them pensions as if they worked their professional lives in Russia. In 20 months we're likely to have killed less civilians, than Israel will in the next 4 weeks.

For this, we are war criminals. For this we are orcs.

It's all a joke folks.

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Which is what Hamas wanted by attacking Israel. Did Hamas for a moment think that there would be no reaction from Israel beyond counting and collecting dead bodies?

Hamas did what they did with full premeditation and approval from Iran - to provoke Israel. If you know of any other objective, please let me know what it might be.

When Gazans were voting for Hamas they knew who and why they were voting for - the terrorists who swore to eradicate Israel. When you do that, you own the results.

"Go, kill them" wish has a dark side. It looks and feels like what's happening in Gaza today.

When Germans voted for Hitler they owned everything that happened later. Today, we are told that Russians are responsible for what Putin does.

That's how it works where they have elections.

I think this is possible.

The international press has been pretty clear about what motivated Hamas. Saudi Arabia and Israel were negotiating a normalization of relations, through Biden's mediation. The Saudis were asking for certain Israeli concessions towards Palestine, and things were being worked out.

Hamas was irritated that it was being sold down the river without being involved in the negotiations. It decided to show everyone involved, that if you treat them as an inanimate bargaining chip, they could raise the temperature right back up to the boiling point.

From Hamas's point of view it has nothing to lose. Various Bushs, Trumps, and Bidens have shown that they are not honest brokers, and act instead in the interests of Israel. Their Arab neighbors are tired of the drama the Gazans constantly stir up, and are eager to start doing business with Israel. They also want Israel's help in countering Iran's ambition to be the region's leading power.

Hamas is trying to remind Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United States and anyone else that will listen - that it's views have to be taken into account. By labeling it a terrorist organization, the others have made it impossible for themselves to talk to Hamas.

When it's impossible to talk, the guns do the talking.

That's exactly my point. What you wrote is equal to: I don't give a fvck how many will die on my side.

When one declares war, one should consider that the war will come to them. Hamas knew it and went to war anyway.

There is a simple way to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas should tell all of its members to go to a designated place and let Israel know where it is so Israel would not bomb where they are not.

Something tells me that Hamas prefers to mingle. I wonder why...For moral support?

Israel has lost my sympathy, says Croatia's president

Croatian President Zoran Milanović said he doesn't sympathize with Israel because of its reprisal actions in Gaza after last weekend's Hamas attacks, and criticized displays of the Israeli flag in his country.

In comments to media on Thursday, Milanović hit out at Israel over its retaliatory strikes in Gaza, which have so far killed more than 1,500 people according to Gaza's health ministry, and called the Croatian foreign ministry's decision to display the Israeli flag outside its building in solidarity with the country "an idiotic move."

"With all my sympathy for Israel, which unfortunately they lost within 15 minutes ... there is no place for other flags in Croatia, except in strictly regulated situations," Milanović said.

politico.eu/article/israel-has-lost-my-sympathy-says-croatian-president/

Didier LAURAS wrote:

Hamas hostage-taking presents Israel with familiar but tough dilemma

Hey, stupid, Hamas took hostages BECAUSE to Isreal is a tough dilemma. Drop that dilemma bullsh*it and they will not be taking your guys as hostages when they realize that it's pointless.

Duh!


What exactly should Israel do to keep his sympathy?

The problem is that it's not just a "label", they are terrorists, as we've seen most recently on last Saturday. I don't recall Putin negotiating with Chechnya - a country with just over 1 million people - he just went to war with them.


And RuSSian, as I can see :)

RuSSians razed Grozny to the ground, remember?



From Wikipedia:

"In 2003, the United Nations designated Grozny as the most destroyed city on Earth due to the extensive damage it suffered. The battle had a devastating impact on the civilian population. It is estimated that between 5,000 and 8,000 civilians were killed during the siege, making it the bloodiest episode of the Second Chechen War."

Don't get me wrong, that's nice that you care so much for Palestinian civillians, but I'd like you to care equally as much for Chechen and Ukrainian civillians - which you don't :)


You don't know that. How could you possibly know? I don't know that either - I've never discussed with Palestinians.


Yup. It's not good to get so high on emotions.

NJP Condemns Terror Bombing of Gaza, Demands US Stay Out Of War

October 11, 2023 National Justice Party

nationaljusticeparty.com/2023/10/11/njp-condemns-terror-bombing-of-gaza-demands-us-stay-out-of-war/

What exactly should Israel do to keep his sympathy?

For this particular guy, I think what Israel has to do is close up shop, and go back to Poland, Russia, or wherever else all the Jews in Israel came from :))

I don't think his sympathies with Israel were very strong to begin with, hehehe.

Also, Israel could just give back the poor Palestinians their lands, at least according to 1967 borders. This way they'll have to deal with their own problems, instead of being treated like children.

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What is acceptable?
What the hell is going on here? With all that brain power and opinions here, nobody can spell out what Israel should do.

Turn back from the destructive policies of Netanyahu, which brought them to this place.

It was another Jewish war hero, Ariel Sharon - who executed the unilateral pullback in the early 2000s. He fought the Arabs in '67, in '73, during the first Intifada and the second. Unlike consulting management professional Netanyahu, this was a General who had paid a price. After decades of fighting, Sharon knew that the only way out was to split up.

Netanyahu, in contrast, has some impossible vision where Israeli settlements will continue to swallow up Palestinian land, while the Palestianians will somehow get spirited away to Mars or Venus.

More sober, more wise people - should take the wheel in Israel.

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Netanyahu served in Sayeret Matkal. Maybe that's part of the problem...


Yup.

"Turn back" is not an action you can see and measure or count. No treaty would include "turn back" since it's meaningless - even if next to "destructive policies".

Sure it is.

The only people in the world that are full believers in Netanyahu are Republicans in America.

The Democrats hate him, not least for how he embarrassed Obama during his little address to Congress.

The Europeans hate him. The EU is the main donor to Hamas and Fatah. He makes life uncomfortable for the prime minister of Britain, and the president of France, vis-a-vis their relationships with the Muslim portions of their country's population.

He's actually quite comfortable for Russia, despite the fact that he does p*ss off the Muslim components of our population as well. He's quite useful to us, because he didn't intervene meaningfully in Syria, and decided against helping Ukraine. Otherwise, it doesn't feel normal for us to support Israel.

China has issues with their Uyghur population due to being silent on the Gaza question.

India has problems with their Muslims, because of Netanyahu's belligerency.

Israel itself is split in half, through his divisive politics.

Life would be much easier for everyone if he went into retirement.

WTF????

Just imagine the murderers had been Ukrainians....lets say they invaded Crimea and Donbas by night to rape and murder russian women and children....leaving more than 1000 dead, maimed or kidnapped!

You were saying?

No need to imagine. It's what they did. In Kharkov. In Odessa. In Kiev. In Dnipropetrovsk.

In Donetsk on a qualitatively different level.

And we did nothing. We relied on the "rules based order", the Security Council, the Minsk Agreements, the Normandy Format, and so on and so forth.

Nothing worked. Everywhere we got treated like the poor relatives visiting from a rural province.