75 Years of Israel and the War

yes certain factions in the US government along with factions in the Israeli and Saudi gov, not only let 9/11 happen, they orchestriated it.

So why would Hamas attack Israelis? To commit suicide?


What would be the payback to each country?

@novi

why was that dance party moved 48 hours b4 to a location just across the border? like 9/11 it was a false flag attack. Hamas has always been an Israeli inteligence funded operation to counter PLO.


Just like Putin after Chechnya I and II, Netanyahoo is popular again.

Actually I need to be more precise with my language.
It wasin't a false flag.
They just funded it and let it happen so they could cleanse Judea and Sumea for the new Jewish Settlers.

So Israel organized an attack on itself.
Are you sure you are sane?

Factions of the Israel Gov were well aware that it was going to happen, yawn it's like explaining 9-11, Gulf of Tonkin and etc etc to a child, going to bed. good night and f*ck you

OK. I got. The government of Israel passively watched Hamas getting ready to attack and did nothing about it because they needed a good reason to hit back.

Since Hamas knew that Israel knew and that Israel would hit back, why did Hamas do it anyway? Because they were bribed by the evil Israelis to kill other Israelis?

Is that it or do you want to work on your theory a little longer?

May I suggest an alternate explanation for 9/11 and 10/7...Extreme stupidity. Goverments don't operate like on Mission Impossible where things synch down to seconds. Mostly, they are negligent frightened morons. See the US border.

The US government is run by the CIA and they're not stupid. They're very devious and without any moral compass whatsoever.

In relation to the Hamas attack, why did Israel ignore Egypt's warning? Complacent Israel may well have been, but stupid, no. The fiftieth anniversary of the 1973 war was a hugely symbolic date and if anything one would expect IDF to be on high alert throughout the whole of the 2023 and particularly as the anniversary approached.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but I am a realist. Truth is a great deal stranger than fiction and many of those in power consider human lives completely expendable.

Most of what you write is quite good. This, however, is trash. The US government is not run by the CIA.

The US government would be much better, if it WAS run by the CIA.

The CIA has been the only sane voice in the wilderness, regarding Ukraine. It's now headed by Bill Burns - former Ambassador to Russia. He's been in Moscow at least three times over the last year. He's one of the few people from Washington, with whom we can find a common language.

As you may know, the CIA is forbidden from doing any work inside the United States. Every problem in this country, is of its own doing - not the CIA's.

I think they are a group of very patriotic and conscientious people.

Ok, let's add NSA into the mix and the plethora of other 'agencies'. More governments than you can shake a stick at are run, in real terms, by the intelligence services. The real power in most countries is vested in the intelligence services and the military.

I don't know about this.

My opinion is that it's rich people who run the world. A very simple, and very old idea.

In my limited experience, which for many reasons I'm not able to share here - the military is full of dumb jocks, and the intelligence services full of hopeless romantics.

It's the money people you have to worry about. We have no moral compass, and no country.

The only reasonable reason why the CIA chief could be in Moscow was certainly the talks about not using nuclear weapons in this war.

It depends on what you mean by run the world.


Senior officers? Dearie me. I assume you're talking about the US military.


More like naive idealists - but that's at the lower end of the scale. Higher up, they're very pragmatic.

In practically every meaningful sense. Politicians can be bought. Former heads of intelligence can be recruited as consultants. Former heads of the Ministry of Interior and the firms they found, can be hired as private investigators on an industrial scale. Private military companies can be contracted to protect your assets. Entire legislatures can be bought to pass necessary laws. Murder and theft can be covered up through distribution of favors.

The boys in blue and the boys in black, have no chance.

Money rules the world. Except at the frontline.

Well...not in Germany....sadly!

Quite fortunately - I think. The military - wherever they are in power - are good at sinking their countries.

Look at Egypt.

Look at Thailand in earlier iterations.

Turkey had several military coups.

Those idiots in uniform don't know the first thing about governing.

...who is still weaseling out of answering what Israel should have done from 10/8 on and continue doing starting today.

What you describe is more common in some countries than others and is by no means the norm in civilised societies. (I don't count the USA among the civilised nations.) Btw, an entire legislature which can be bought is not worthy of that name.

Right now Germany is sinking....without any Intelligence (especially not in the gov) and without an army to speak of.....so....


What's wrong with you?

Especially when they have to worry about being re-elected on a two year basis - as is the case in the United States. This means that after their first year of legislating, they are back on the campaign trail and fundraising tour.

These guys you can buy on the cheap, in some cases for as little as $50-100K in campaign contributions - fed through various obscure entities. Given you only need about 260 of them to pass a law, it can actually be done pretty cheaply.

Whatever answer you receive to that question you will dismiss - and I'm always right about how you will behave:




I should say it was fairly self-evident as to why the USA is not what one could call a civilised nation.

What is a "civilized nation" in your view?

Your country is a civilized country.

America is not a civilized country.

It's a little less savage than Russia, perhaps, but it's still wild.

Just being weak and embarrassing doesn't make a country civilized...

@Bratwurst Boy

So what makes a country civilized?

First and foremost adhering to law and order....and that people get a choice, every few years.....an unchangeable basic law, valid for the big shots as much as the nobodies.

(Maybe its only me, but that's springing to my mind first)

No, I will not since, as with Ukraine, I didn't shy away from taking a position on Hamas and 10/8.

I kept my promise not to say anything negative about you in response to the simple answer you gave then. Your later weasel posts took me off the hook.


We had both in "communist" Poland. I remember voting when I turned 18. We even had two parties - just as in the US.

Here, voters can vote for party apparatchiks, too. Even if they are mentally ill or just senile.

....and still...you left, pursuing a better life in the US, looking for freedom and hope...."voting with your feet"!

You will find not a single country in the Solar System, which has the same rules for nobodies and big shots.

....well....that way is Random! :)

We better go back to the thread....