Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

In this contest, you vs Weimarer, you lose. His definition is perfect. Yours - I am not even sure if you know what you wrote.


No, I am not annoyed. I actually appreciate your presence here to remind me to behave. I am an engineer by education so, to me, everything is mostly black and white and based on pure logic. So, the opposite of red is not red. Just an example, not a bait for another round.

I hate gray. Nothing personal.

Weimarer needs to understand that he is posting to a Polish forum.
Where he will find Poles that are just as proud of Poland as he is of Germany.
Insulting Poles will get him nowhere.
If he changes his attitude, he may find friends here.

So, it's an American style shootout in reverse - who is going to holster his gun first. Bronson vs Fonda played back.

Poland is a lovely country that is inhabited by Poles unfortunately ...

@Miloslaw

I have nothing against polish or poles.

But when someoen insults my country he gets fire back.

I have aquite easy way to go through life. I mirror behavior and put it on more extreme.

Spike and that outher freak insulted my nation. They got fire back and couldnt take the burn.

Much of the time, Rich, brain triumphs, which is why Weimarer would likely lose in your scenario.
The reason? It's not simply enough to be bigger in size, more loud-mouthed, and arrogant.
A person must actually know something.

If you recall in popular entertainment mirroring "real" life, the little guy usually beat his larger, though less mentally agile, opponent, Charlie Chaplin of course comes first to mind.

Painfully embarrassing too, is the classic example of Germany's defeat in BOTH World Wars!!
Pride (always) goeth before the Fall:-)

That would make the Russians the smart ones, brainier than the Germans...are you sure?

Brains in overdrive are not assets. Life is actually very simple. It's the pros with "brains" that make it appear complex and in need of guidance, or at least an explanation. For a fee, of course.


Easy. You are describing me. Even now. I haven't seen a guy over 70 he would be stronger and better built than I am. Not boasting, just stating what is a fact. That is why I understand and support Weimarer. We could just as easily be brothers.

Brains and muscles are not mutually exclusive. Big muscles no brains is what every skinny or fat guy tells himself to boost his skinny or fat ego before he goes to a party. On the chick side, it's: she is pretty so she must be dumb.

@Lyzko

I find it amusing that you judge my intelligence without even knowning me. So far you were often wrong in things you assumed and your knowledge in history and scientific aspects also is very flawed.

As for "German defeat in both WW II.

Germany in both wars was the smaller country and leading in science and technology.

I have news for you and how can i say it that it doesnt sound arrogant?

I´m physically more fit than most and i´m also far more intelligent compared to most.

I have abitur which i achieved with very good grades. You can hold a conversation with me not just about fitness but also over the dynastic changes in old egypt or the gravitational aspects between a black hole and a neutron star. I speak 3 languages (my native german and additional english and also latin).

Its alway amusing when someoen assumes i´m dumb, because i´m buffed. I have news for you...i have the feeling i´m more intelligent than most here. Infact thats not just exclusive to this forum. I rarely meet a person that has my level.

Many here may disagree with me for political or nationalist reasons. That shouldnt cloud your mind and believe i´m dumb. Evryone who has even a very narrow understanding can see, that i´m obviously not a dumb fellow.

Why? The man was from a military point mediocre at best, and commited several blunders that likely prolonged the war, and tarnished with his senseless brutality the reputation of the German army. Additionally he failed to fully pacify the colony and his brutal actions there probably caused greater damage to the German economic interests there then the uprising itself.

And that leaves out the fact that the genocide commited by his orders might cost us a lot of money still, since the Herero are legally entitled to reparations, and will probably receive them in the near future.

Genocide? Really?

This is the consensus among historians what happened there, and once you read a bit about it, there is really no other way to see there. There is a reason why even German diplomats use this term now, despite the fact that this could lead to legal claims against them, because the historical evidence was so strong.

Kind of difficult to otherwise describe the attempted eradication of an entire people.

That would mean every other colonial power would had committed genocide too, they murdered many more people...that would mean an inflation for the description "genocide", and that would watering that meaning total...not good! Wrong!


It never was! It was ******* foreign occupiers killing the resistance...not more, not less. Happened all the time back then, everywhere! It wasn't for eradicating the Herero but to break their will and make them to good, usable slaves.

The german King didn't want a cemetery but an exotic little colony...a world of a difference!

@Tacitus

You are a weakling and so is our current regime.

The Herero are a nothing. We are entitled to nothing. Law is made from the stronger ones.

And we dont talk about resistance here. The Herero attacked first and then didnt like the response.

If you believe the Herero can take compensation, the Aboriginals in Australia can take hundreds of billions from the UK. The Tasmanians got erased completly.

The Uk will not send a single cent.

Oh and how about the Khoisan people who got wiped out by the Bantu?

Will the Bantu too pay compensation?

Your weakness makes me sick. You have no dick nor balls.

Of course it was resistance! You wouldn't expect a people to just roll over once they get invaded and enslaved....remember Arminius?

The Herero had the same right to fight the Germans as we had to fight the Romans!

Maybe we should put a claim for compensation to Rome, heh:)

Why is it wrong to call a genocide genocide especially when it so perfectly fits the description?
The German army intented to wipe out the Herero conpletely, and for that aim the expelled them into a deadly desert and stationed troops there to prevent them from escaping. Von Trotha gave the explicite order that neither women or children were to be spared. That is a textbook definition of the term genocide.


Which is why he did not welcome Trotha's return, because Trotha had in fact turned the colony into a cemwtery. But intentions are meaningless, the result is what matters. And yes other Colonial powers faced uprisings as well, but none of them decided to kill afterwards all women and children. Not that this would make anything better mind you. What the Germans did their was a monstrous crime.

Odd then, Weimarer, that you feel as though you can deem yourself stronger and more intelligent than I without having met me:-)

@Rich,
Bluster without the requisite brain power with which to back it up said bluff 'n blabber, is rather much like an ocean floor without the water necessary to buoy and

support the life in which it is contained!

The analogy might be slightly forced, but the basic ideas's the same:-)

When every mass murder can be put as genocide then the description stopped working. For genocide you need the intent to murder a whole people for what they are.

The Jews were murdered for being Jews, no matter if they were peaceful or not.

The Herero were murdered for putting up resistance to the occupying colonial power...a big difference. Germany didn't helped itself to that colony to eradicate the Herero people. There had been many natives working for the Germans too, it was the resistance which was murdered, the families too to deliver a message. As bad as this was it was no genocide...

The Brits killed the Boer in South Africa, put women and children into the first concentration camps ever where many starved to death = genocide?

Unfortunately you seem to be incapable of hiding your German arrogance.


Oh yeah?
Really?
You just sound like a big mouthed arrogant, Nazi German to me...... please prove me wrong......

Unlike others on here,my door is still open to you, but not for much longer......
And why does a German nationalist join a Polish forum and comes here to insult Poles?

"The Jews were murdered for being Jews...."

Bang on, B.B.!! Thank you for hitting the nail right on the head:-)

I learn a lot reading this thread. Good.
My question is: why do you keep picking on old scabs?
And: how far back do you feel obligated to go?

...so long as it takes to prevent those same wounds from festering!

For the same reason American, British and Polish nationalists come here.

Which is precisely what happened and what von Trotha intented. After his military victory he send all of the remaining Hereros into the desert to die, and gave the explicite order that this included women and children. He wanted to exterminate them because of what they were. This is beyond dispute and also why no historian today doubts that this was an attempted genocide.

It was so brutal that even some German soldiers (futily) objected

segu-geschichte.de/voelkermord-an-den-herero-quellen/

m.spiegel.de/einestages/suedwestafrika-der-deutsche-voelkermord-an-den-herero-a-1073974.html

I mean no offense, but you should perhaps read a bit more about this topic. Once you read von Trotha's orders and actions in detail it is hardly possiblw to view his actions as anything else than genocidal.

Hint: Just because Germans did it doesn't mean it's always a genocide!

Your description is far to generous, it puts alot of historical mass murder into this category, after all resistance has been often confined to ethnicity...especially during the colonial age.

And yes, you need the intent for that. When Germany had aquired Namibia to go and kill all there living Hereros you would had a point, but that was never the plan!

And it cheapens the meaning...it puts down those peoples who suffered a real genocide. When everything is a genocide, nothing is! You should take better care with that description.

Let's see how this will work...
You make it look like nationalists were lepers or something...

Germans were longer in Namibia than the Herero. History is more complicated. The Herero came from Botsuana just 4 years before.

They did also attack the native Khoisan people and tried to take their land.

Of course ballless TAcitus doesnt know that.

He also doesnt know that the british wiped out evry single tasmanian.

You know what? I give a **** about the Herero.

They look like jokes and their women like clowns.

What they want is grab money from weak drag queens like you.

If its for me, i would burn down their fields and send them a bill for the napalm.

Yeah...well...you are a weak drag queen too, as long as you pay taxes the gov can decide to give it to the Herero and there is nothing you can do but vent about it on a forum...a polish one at that (who also don't give a flying ****).

Oh there is alot you can do actually.

Did you ever go there? They are pathetic. You go there and they swarm around you like rodents to sell you ****. Best is to spend money in the big

european and corporation owned Lodges who pound thos clowns economicly into the dirt.