Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

@Bratwurst Boy

An opinion should always be rational. An irrational opinion is idiotic.

Who decides what is what?

'nacht alle :)

Weimarer confuses quoting "facts" with "rationality".

All of those factors exist in this example.

There was a clear attempt. There was meticious planning, and it lasted for a relatively long time, with support of the government.

Considering that up to 60% of the Herero died, it was certainly "succesful" in a way. It crippled the Herero population for generations.


It actual has, among all experts on this subject (historians, politicians and diplomats), and it is also gaining more and more public awareness. The only people who are still denying it are those who have little insight into the topic and do so for ideological reasons. You are simply grasping at straw here with your attempts to find some technical reasons why this was supposedly no genocide. The Germans wanted to wipe out the Herero, they did so after the war was won, and they came quite close to succeeding. How can you still claim that this was no genocide?


Wrong again. There is an overwhelming consensus among historians that it was a genocide. And no offense, but given that you obviously have never read a book about this topic, I would not make any such statements in your positions.


This is another attempt at whitewashing history. I am the last one to condone the brutal colonialism of the other European Empires, but it is a fact that the German genocide against the Herero was exceptional, and seen as such even at their time. The British were for example quite brutal when it came to fighting rebellions, but they rarely resorted to such reprisals after the fighting. Btw the Belgian colonialization in Kongo is also nowadays viewed as genocide. Again, read a good book about what happened there. I could recommend you some if you wish, there are excellent in depth-analysis about this, and why the Germans was heinous even for their time.


You can either view at the facts rationally and call it what it was. Or you can deny it out of personal bias and lack of research.

I think i know alot more about those events than you. The locations ect.

The difference is, i smile at them.

Amen, Tacitus, that's tellin' him!

Wkipedia describes him as a GERMAN politician and everyone knows him as a German.

The Austrians managed to sell him to Germany for nothing ...

The old joke was that Austria managed to convince the whole world that Beethoven was an Austrian and Hitler was a German:-)

Very unlikely. I was part of the team at my university that collected the herero skulls and send them back to Namibia.In that context I had to read a lot about this.


Just like you smile when children drown at the sea, I get it.

You mean the future welfare bums, rapists and terrorists? Wouldn't you smile?

Nah normal people in our civilization don't do that. Only sociopaths, jerks and looser trolls.

Did you know that many women who just had abortion smile?

And you know that from personal experience?

No, just an educated guess. Wouldn't smile on the way home, no longer with that blob inside you?

@Tacitus

Smiling is healthy. You should try it.

Look, you are a weak beta male who cries about shi*t no normal male would even bother about.

Some primitive tribe attacked german citizens and couldnt stand the heat of the response.

And yes, most normal people smile about that. Also about the defense of our borders down there where those are deflected who try to storm Germany and its welfare system.

The problem is, weak beta males like you lost all touch to normal working people. You got paid for collext rotten skulls from former enemies to give them to laughable people who wear ridicolous hats.

Normal working people dont get paid for such s^hit.

You are soft Tacitus. A weakling and in a way its bizarre because its against nature.

Freaks like you would also fly Tunisia to hold that fat blobs hand who sh*it out Anus Amri, the berlin christmas market terrorist.

They attacked them in Namibia, right? What were those German citizens doing down there in Namibia? Were they tourists or were they not happy in Germany, so they moved to Namibia?

Just asking ...

Most of them were males, and according to testimonies from German priests, up to half of them were busy raping the native women of the colonies.


Whatever you say, caveman.

Quite a lot of them died of starvation.
A terrible event in history that I had never heard of before. At least the forum taught me something new.
However, it seems really strange someone would try to excuse what the German colonists did. So either it's about some sick tendencies or another attempt at trolling aimed at Germans this time.

Given the deep obsession that some people have with this forum, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

I wasn't there, so I am going to guess that it was the same what Namibians are now doing in Europe and the Latino garbage is doing in the US - "pursing better life for themselves and their loved ones". And, while at it, trying to prove that Darwin was right. Call it affirmative action for the whites.

If that is the case, then the Namibians had every right to attack the Germans since they could judge them to be garbage who ventured to Africa for


instead of sitting in Europe.

Well...it can't have been all that bad! :)


namibiatourism.com.na/blog/Windhoek-Oktoberbest-Brings-Germany-to-Africa

"Namibia's historical ties to Germany are strong and still boldly evidenced throughout the country in its attractive architecture; enticing bakeries filled with strudel, pretzels and rye bread; and the babble of the German language on the streets."

What a genocide, my ass!

Not a word of a genocide in the history section btw:

"...The colonization period was marred by many conflicts and rebellions by the pre-colonial Namibia population until WWI when it abruptly ended upon Germany's surrender to the South African expeditionary army. In effect, this transition only traded one colonial experience for another..."

namibiatourism.com.na/page/history

Well...they seem to handle their "eradication" by them mean Germans quite well...

I have read of the German behaviour in Namibia for the first time several months before I can read about it now on the PF. Some time before that, I read about Belgian atrocities in Congo. As I read rather extensively about different things, all this may only mean that the former colonial powers in Europe were very apt in hiding the truth about their crimes in former colonies for a long time. Only a few people knew about it and it is only now that this knowledge has started to expand.

As far as Namibia is concerned, I guess I read about it in connection with some book which was to be published. The fact that I remembered very clearly from that review was that the German army blocked the access to wells and water reservoirs keeping the Herero dwell on the desert and deprived of any water until they died. Genocide or not, it was one of the worst forms of death one can imagine. If not genocide, it was a war crime of the worst kind.

Well...seriously....I wouldn't be so big on promoting a connection to my murderers...and keeping their languange and traditions alive if it had been that bad!

But that might have been something to do with the diversity in the region....the people claiming for genocide-money are from the Herero (7%) and the Nama (5%) tribe, but they are only small minorities.

The big majority is made up by the Ovambo (50%)....

"....When Germany established a colony in Namibia in 1884, they left the Ovambo people undisturbed.[8] The Germans focussed on the southern and coastal regions. After the World War I, Namibia was annexed into the South African administration by the British as the South West Africa province. This brought major changes, with South African plantation, cattle breeding and mining operations entering the Ovamboland...."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovambo_people

No problems with the Germans back then till the Brits came...

".... The Ovambo people launched several armed resistance in the 1920s and 1930s, which were all crushed militarily by the British and Portuguese forces.[8]"

I am far from blaming the Germans exclusively for all the crimes committed in former European colonies in the name of a 'higher European civilization' as Rich or Weimarer would have kindly put it for us. The British or the French were not innocent lambs either, and Belgian deeds in Congo, which a private colony of Leopold II, were truly horryfing. Before the WW I Germany was a country which was developing at a truly tremendous pace and was about to take over Britain as the most successful industrial nation despite some notable problems as thousands of people living in cellars in Berlin. Also, it is typical for all nations, Poland included, to try to hide all the dark sides of their 'achievements' in the past. The more important for those nations is to bring all those into light rather than continue to stay in denial.

Let me simplify things here...

Anyone who supports abortion has no high moral ground to discuss genocides. Period. End of the story.

Beyond this brilliant post of mine, you will be just playing stupid games who is better at retroactive indignation and virtue signalling. Pathetic.

But then please all of them....

No war crime is suddenly a genocide only because Germans did it!

But on the other hand that topic made me research that region abit, a region which usually doesn't even make a blip on the german radar. It's quite cool to see a town in a desert like fresh out of Bavaria! Heh:)

google.com/search?q=Namibia+german+architecture&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikxOOr0IniAhWImBQKHc_9BF0Q_AUIDigB&biw=1235&bih=660

Blocking the whole tribe access to water is in my view genocide, not because Germans did it, but because it was done deliberately in knowing in advance that it must bring death on the people affected and almost all of them had no chance to survive as a result of such an action.

Well, not in my view.

I wonder what the Herero/Nama plan to do with the money should Germany really pay. What about the Ovamba?


Now that is an incredible wide embracing description of a genocide. In that regard you can even the allied firestorms of Hamburg and Dresden call a genocide...even that would fill the bill!