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Why AfD is the most important party in Germany



Lyzko
10 May 2019  #1081

Sure, defectors (lauter Ueberlaeufer) most of 'em no doubt.
Even some Jews were fooled way back in '33, most egregious, really, embarrassing, of all of course, the Bechstein family, who thought
they could curry favor with the Fuehrer in exchange for "protection".

If that doesn't take the cakeLOL Almost as nuts as the Judenraete who, like that idiot Chamberlain, actually believed they could "negotiate" with Nazis.

HA!, I say. Would have been funny had it not been so tragic.

Bratwurst Boy
10 May 2019  #1082

With hindsight nobody could have known what would happen...

I often try to put myself into the shoes of the people living there. I try to compare it with my upbringing in another dictatorship...it's not easy...what would I have done?

Weimarer
10 May 2019  #1083

@Ziemowit

The AfD is more like Stauffenberg in 1944. The AfD tries to get rid of a tyrannical system that acts more and more extremist and irrational.

So far Merkel is 2nd worst chancellor Germany had in last 100 years. The damage she does to this great nation is extreme.

So far the AfD is only party in Germany that learned from 1933. The only oppossition.

We stand up against a tyrant. We fall all those dumb sheeps in the arms.

And thats what i´m proud for.

As AfD member you get attacked and they try to hurt you as much as they. But tehy failed and thats what i have greatest respect for. That people stand up and said: enough to Merkels growing madness.

Bratwurst Boy
10 May 2019  #1084

@Weimarer

What would you have done during the Thirties in Germany? Where would you see yourself?

Tacitus
10 May 2019  #1085

Definitions and categorizations which had worked perfectly well

Where have I made up some new categorizations? I have only ever refered to those that you yourself posted a few pages ago that clarify what constitutes a genocide. Let us be perfectly clear here. It has not suddenly become en vogue within the last 10 years among historians to call the Herero genocide a genocide. There was previously not much interest about this chapter of history, but historians have come to the conclusion to call it as such quite some time ago, partly because they strictly applied the same categories to it as they would to incidents that involved European victims. The contribution of the universities is to stop the downplaying of atrocities and the glorification of e.g. Colonialism by pointing out the image people have of it rarely if ever upholds to the historic reality.

when every war crime becomes now a genocide,

Which is not happening by a long shot. We are not softening the requirements, we are simply strictly adhering to it. It is not like there are any attempts to suddenly use the term of genocide on more than the Armenian genocide during WWI for example. But it is troubling that you insist on downplaying it like this. Perhaps it is not quite clear to you what actually happened? If this had been just one isolated massacre, after a battle and within a short period of time, I might agree. But this was a sustained campaign to wipe out the Herero, with various methods after the fighting ended, which wiped out the vast majority of them.

what will you call a real genocide then?

Again, what is a "real" genocide to you? Would it have been one if the Herero had been wiped out to 100% (but then not even the Holocaust could be called one?). Should there have been gas chambers in the death camps? (The survival rate in those camps was worse than in most KZs later on). The Germans decided to eradicate the Herero after the battle, and they came relatively close to succeeding. Yet it would be disrespectful to call this a genocide because?

when you put one Trotha in the same league with the Nazis

I really don't see him as similar to the Nazis. He does however resemble remarkeably the type that was so prevalent in the military hierarchy of the Third Reich. Someone who had no qualms giving the most heinous orders when he deems it necessary, and considering that he had much support in the German military at the time, this is yet another tendency that makes historians ponder. It is certainly a tragedy. Prussia used to produce incredibly gifted officers, who had some moral standards and were willing to object to their leadership when a decision proved to be disastrous. Think about how von Zieten objected to Old Fritzs' order(risking his neck in the process) or when the Prussian military objected to Bismarcks plan to let the French population suffer for their governments refusal to surrender. By WWI, the moral standards were mostly gone, and by WWII so were any form of personal courage (some exceptions nonewithstanding) with the known consequences. Makes you wonder when the degradation started to set in, but that is another question.

Weimarer
10 May 2019  #1086

@Bratwurst Boy

I see myself at the person i am. I think critical. I question what i get told and i have little to no respect for laughable comedians like goebbeles, maas, göring or göring-eckard

Bratwurst Boy
10 May 2019  #1087

The contribution of the universities is to stop the downplaying of atrocities and the glorification of e.g. Colonialism....

So...now it is your goal to go to the other extreme?

You will never get the Brits or the French or the Spaniards get to call their colonialism genocides...no matter what your universities want. But one man, a german at that, is easy.

And again, why don't you answer my repeated question! Where does this rewriting of history leaves the real genocides, when everything can now be called a genocide? Where do "the universities" make the difference?

Weimarer
10 May 2019  #1088

In Chile they celebrate their genocidal history.

Miloslaw
10 May 2019  #1089

Where does this rewriting of history leaves the real genocides

Great point BB.
Tacitus seems to be missing the point that his arguments downgrade and actually insult the memory of true genocides.
He seems to be suffering from some sort of PC disease, that I have seen elsewhere, that does not seem to comprehend the harm it is causing.

Ironside
10 May 2019  #1090

Tacitus seems to be missing the point

No that is not the case. He simply preaching using history as an excuse. If definitions became blurry and all encompassing their are not longer definition but a moral or ideological stance. He is clearly confused as to his role.

Miloslaw
10 May 2019  #1091

He is clearly confused, that is for sure.

Weimarer
11 May 2019  #1092

He is not confused. He has no balls and got neutered.

We call such like him "Gutmenschen". Its basicly "Do-Gooder".

They usually are all same. They see themself as political superior in evry way. Be it other Germans who dont share their perverted ideology or evuil trump voters. They hail basicly evry primitive stoneage culture and excuse any cultural practice from those, no matter how disgusting it is.

Guys like this say stuff like "Haltung zeigen". Which means to wave their ideology around like a dick. They are usually weak beta males.

A perfecte example for this is the Berlin Mayor.

Slightly retarded facial expression, doing "good" all the day while ******* up evrything. Weakness in its purest form.

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Tacitus is like this.

Here some real facts.

The Herero are from Botswana. The Germans lived longer in Namibia than the Herero.

The Herero attacked german women and children, when the men were not there.

The Herero started this and then military action was taken.

von Trotha was far more merciful than say Ceasar or Queen Isabella.

And then you have guys like Tacitus, who earn money from **** like this. Dont blame him. If he doesnt work on enemy skulls he would propably fight for Sharia law or some other desert cult. or against fat shaming.

Dont blame him. The conservative pushback is the result of guys like him. More and more people simply get tired of this ****.

One aspect why i vote AfD is, to see those guys boiling. There is nothing more funny than say something political incorrect and let them boil.

But hey, its lunchtime now. Time to eat my Zigeuenrschnitzel. And for later maybe a Negerkuss.

Tacitus
11 May 2019  #1093

Tacitus seems to be missing the point that his arguments downgrade and actually insult the memory of true genocides.

Again, why is this not a "true" genocide according to your logic? What is the missing factor in what happened to the Herero?

Remember, the Germans made a systematic effort after the fighting was done to wipe out the Herero and Nama. They either killed them directly, send them into the desert to die or imprisoned them for years in death camps. As a result, up to 80% of the people were killed. Why should it be wrong to call this a genocide? The Herero were decimated as a people.

Weimarer
11 May 2019  #1094

@Tacitus

The Herero attacked other people. Since when starts a genocide with an attack? The Herero were invaders into Namibia.

According to you it was also a Genocide what China did to the mongols after the mongols conquered China.

Was it also a genocide what Isabella of Castille did to the muslims after Spain had the reconquista?

Lyzko
11 May 2019  #1095

@Weimarer,

"The AfD ist like Stauffenberg in 1944..."

???? Methinks our friend is having some sort of medical episode which has affected his brainLOL

Bratwurst Boy
11 May 2019  #1096

The Herero were decimated as a people.

So were the Germans during WWII...actually would the Vertreibung in the aftermath fall totally into your new, much wider categorization. Not to mention that many thousands died during the Flucht before. It was certainly tried to eradicate their language and culture in the former german territories by the victors! The Germans as a people in these lands were eradicated, even the memory about them.

A Genocide?

Tacitus...you can't be serious!

PS: I'm trying hard to think about a war, or a conquest...or any violent interaction between humans...where people don't get decimated...

Weimarer
11 May 2019  #1097

@Lyzko

You cant think. You believe in a cosmic zombie.

And yes Stauffenberg.

I´m intelligent. When i show you videos here from 2015 when our regime says "under the 1.5 million illegal mifrants is not a single terrorist". You may understand that this insults my intellect.

Lyzko
11 May 2019  #1098

If you were really smart (which I doubt), you wouldn't need to tout your intelligence:-)
The only reason Merkel;s been bending over backwards to accommodate these people is her cockeyed, if well-intentioned, way of trying to somehow make amends for the Holocaust and Hitler, that's all!

Anybody who honestly thinks there's a parallel between the current migrant crisis and the July' 44 plot, has more than a couple of screws loose:-)

pawian
11 May 2019  #1099

The only reason Merkel;s accommodate these people is her way of trying to somehow make amends for the Holocaust and Hitler, that's all!

Yes, I also read such an analysis when the migrant crisis commenced. Merkel is quite decent for a politician.

Weimarer
11 May 2019  #1100

Merkel is a ruthless ***** who goes over dead bodies to achieve her goals.

Tacitus
12 May 2019  #1101

@Bratwurst Boy

Honestly BB, what kind of argument are you trying to make here? Does the suffering of the Germans in WWII now mean that it is unfair to call what happened to their previous anything a genocide?

I respect you so I assume that you are trying to draw parallels here not out of malice but ignorance. As terrible as the fate of the German refugees was, there were no plans or attempts to eradicate them. How can you even think that this is a valid comparison? Again, why do you refuse to call the systematic eradication of a defeated people a genocide?

where people don't get decimated

Try instead thinking of a conquest in which the defeated people were systematically killed after the fighting was done and in which the vast majority died. That list will be significantly shorter.

Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2019  #1102

Honestly BB, what kind of argument are you trying to make here?

Ditto!!!

I try desperatedly to find out what the new definitions are the universites are laying the foundations for!

When you put one categorization (people get decimated) to one case you will have to accept others too...And there had been alot worse cases than what happened in Namibia...so...why so shy?

I ask you for the umpteenth time, where do you make the "new" difference?

As terrible as the fate of the German refugees was, there were no plans or attempts to eradicate them.

It was worse than what happened in Namibia....Remember Benes? New borders had been drawn by foreign powersw...centuries old german settlements had been eradicated, the german population expelled or killed, in Silesia a whole population exchange happened, towns got renamed, the memory of the former owners erazed. Planned and carried out by the government.

Compare that!

Does the suffering of the Germans in WWII now mean that it is unfair to call what happened to their previous anything a genocide?

I didn't hear from you the confirmation that that what happened to the Germans during and after WWII was a Genocide too...

PS: I KNOW that that wasn't a genocide, I only put your own new" foundations" on the events!

As terrible as the fate of the German refugees was, there were no plans or attempts to eradicate them.

PS: And again, where do you make the difference between Herero women and children (after their men lost the fight) dying in the desert of hunger and thirst and the german women and children (after their men lost the fight) dying on the march starving and freezing to death?

Sometimes it's starts smelling alot like racism. Otherwise I can't understand why you are heightening the suffering of the Africans to a genocide but more or less only shrug if it's white people (Germans or the Boers) who suffer...remember, you were also unwilling/unable to call that what Kitchener did to the Boers a Genocide either. Even as both events had been very similiar to what happened but alot more Boers got killed. Another question you "forgot" to answer several times.

Why don't you come clear Tacitus and tell us what really is behind that agenda of yours and these universities!

Weimarer
12 May 2019  #1103

@Bratwurst Boy

The agenda is quite clear, isn´t it?

Make negroids the better people and dehumanize whites and all other races.

The reason behind this is evident. They want create a world with mongrels where a small elite rules over. Thats the ultimate goal.

You cant create that when there is alot of difference between the various groups of people. Obviously the majority of whites dont want live with negroid people, and alot of asians dont want either.

So they invent all kind of **** to push their agenda.

This herero rubbish is just one aspect, the eradication of all european languages another one.

Just yesterday you could read an article of "Zeit" which claims that all european languages must perish and all should speak english.

They even state english is an continental language and the Uk just stole it. :D

The only funny thing in all this misery is, that they lost. While AfD, LePen or Salvini get dream results, they fight their lost war.

I used to like the EU alot. But now i love to see its sorry state. How it breaks apart.

Why? Because it happenes because extremists like Tacitus. Its good to see their Utopia break apart.

I love the bad state of the EU. I love the rise of far right parties. I love how Salvini and other crush down NGO.

I even love how German economy starts to collapse. The main reason for this collapse is the rift created in the population.

And i love it.

I cant wait for a massive recession with millions of unemployed. I cant wait for Trump to put 25% tax on German cars.

The Germans shall suffer and i applaud this.

It means no money anymore for Merkels minions.

And people like Tacitus have not worked a single day in their life. They depend on that money.

Ironside
12 May 2019  #1104

Sometimes it's starts smelling alot like racism.

Don't you know about group identities? White people are as per definition perpetrators, black, Jews, gays are by definition victims. Circumstances are secondary. One you embrace this progressive ideology you're done like Tacitus he is genuine he doesn't recognize that he is brain washed and his objectivity compromised. A Human mind is a funny thing.

Weimarer
12 May 2019  #1105

Exactly. Thats why it makes no sense to talk with them. Just fight what they stand for and break it apart.

They are too weak to get violent so it doesnt matter to not compromise with them.

Look Italy, Salvini crushed their NGO and stops migration of their beloved africas and all they do is their funny demos. Meanwhile Lega Nord doubles their results in elections.

All they can do is fume in anger.

Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2019  #1106

The Germans shall suffer and i applaud this.

Yeah...well...I can do without such kind of.....what are you? A patriot surely not! You sound like Spike, he would be happy about suffering Gemans too!

And even when what happened to the Herero wasn't a genocide, it was still a war crime and von Trotha isn't a hero.

Don't you know about group identities?

Usually it's your own group, either by birth or later by choice, you are loyal too...

Circumstances are secondary.

I still appeal on his objective mind which cares for facts more than ideologies...

Weimarer
12 May 2019  #1107

@Bratwurst Boy

Of course im a patriot. Germany suffers from decadence and it needs to cut back the rescources. Wizhout money, they cant finance their perverted social experiments any longer.

Thats a simple fact. We are in dire need of a massive recession.

Ironside
12 May 2019  #1108

Usually it's your own group, either by birth or later by choice, you are loyal too...

So you don't know about role group identity plays in the progressive ideology. I'm not taking about self-identification or some attachment I'm talking about group identity as seen by progressives. So you are a white person it means in their yes that you are automatically part of the patriarchy with your white privilege you and other like you are collectively to put into a contrary of perpetrators. All you say is immaterial cause you are just mouthpiece that talk in the interest of your group, unless you agree with them and embrace their ideology then you are kind of OK.

Other than that it doesn't matter to are you A Nazi or Saint BB you are all the same to them. That because you cannot function as an individual with many layers and many group identities, for them there is not individuals just groups, that collectivism if you ask.

Other groups defined by their race, gender, sexual preferences or what have you are in that scenario victims, collective victims. That has noting to do with that locals versus foreigner thingy although it can be play that way too. Like immigrants as minority are seen as the victims and the locals as perpetrators. If you use collective progressive lances.

Once you have this figured out - you can predict easily what will be their stances on all the issues.

I still appeal on his objective mind which cares for facts more than ideologies...

Still, he rationales his way of thinking using facts but he sees those facts in the light of that ideology. That African thing, colonialism was bad, white people were doing it, that bad, their are perpetrators black are victims, facts say Germans were killing blacks even after they have won a battle or a war whichever, That bad, that plays into that ideology stuff and hence his urge to moralize more that look objectively at facts.

In his mind he is guilty as well , bevosue he is white and he is German so in this case he has too atone for all those deeds.

BB facts need a moral standards, principles and values to be interpreted. Objectivity is good but there is another layer to it. A moral principle that the truth must be told in to truth there is a value. That biased on Christian morality.

Progressivism doesn't care about that, hence he is not able to interpret those facts objectively. Got it?

What you are talking about as factual to him are just more shadow of the same - excuse put forward just not to recognize your white guilt. You refuse to repent - you are bad.

Lyzko
12 May 2019  #1109

I agree and have always agreed that Merkel is basically a decent human, caught between a bloody rock and a hard place.
Die Dame sitzt einfach zwischen zwei Stuehlen!

Bratwurst Boy
12 May 2019  #1110

Once you have this figured out - you can predict easily what will be their stances on all the issues.

It's just dumb!

It's like a music video by super rich black Beyonce made to help the Democrats in the election campaign where she tells that poor white single mom who struggles to feed her kids with her two back breaking jobs in some factories she needs to vote for the Dems so that they can help the black women in the country to rise up.

No wonder Trump won!

The moment the Left discovered identity politics and threw the class war in the bin they lost!


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