Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

Now we are not even worth a nuke...*snicker*..."reasonable", my ass!

I suspect the real problem is jealousy. If I had to live in a miserable East German plattenbau with a Hartz-IV existence, and I visited Berlin where people enjoy themselves, I'd be miserable and depressed too.

Not faked. Skewed is the word. It's done routinely by asking the "right" question. For example:

Are you for allowing the poor and hungry refugees to stay in Germany while a very bad war is raging in Syria?

Versus:

Do you approve spending 20 billion euros a year, which could otherwise be used to benefit the retirees or lower your taxes, on an unknown and unlimited number of refugees who, based on the prior experience, will never leave?

Same survey, different results. I guarantee you.


That would be a nice argument with somebody else. Not me. That law didn't not write itself in the dead of night. It was your ruling class who did it for you knowing full well that they would never suffer the consequences.

That law should be the result of a nation-wide referendum, the concept that every ruling class - German included - hates more that I hate AIDS and cancer.

No, of course not! It was written shortly after the desaster of WWII (1949)...the people sitting down and writing it had lived through one of the most destructive times on our continent...millions of homeless and refugees were still part of their lives by then, and would be for a long time to come.

That Basic Law and including right of asylum is a consequence of the disaster that was the Third Reich. They wanted to make sure to avoid the errors and failures which made the rise of Adolf Hitler possible. They were actually suffering the consequences of that. Hence the Basic Law!

Right now I'm fairly sure that inspite all the grumbling and growing dissatisfaction with the current immigration policy that special law would endure even in a nation wide referendum. Which I'm not against...

@delphiandomine

We have far better lakes in Thüringen.

And a plattenbau? Seriously?

I live in a village. We have our own farmhouse with garden and forest. I have a netto income of 2000 € and live a happy life here.

I would hate to live in any city and Berlin at most. I was there and it disgusted me. The dirt. the noise. The lack of nature.

It disgusts me.

You mean the same Basic Law that was brought into force by the signature of the Americans?

You don't sound happy at all. Actually you only come here to vent and to rant....it's hard to believe that you are such a happy camper satisfied with his lot in life.

That is usually also not the crowd which votes for protest (or lives in fear of foreigners)....

@Bratwurst Boy

Im a character with many aspects and sometimes it is difficult to express what i mean in english.

Im happy with my life and want stay happy. I dont want to worry about my future. I dont want live in 3rd worldshithole.

Its funny isnt it? I have Abitur with good grades, Im open for the world and travel alot. Australia, Peru, Cuba, Madagaskar just to name a few.

But i vote AfD.

I see how my country gets worse and worse. I dont vote protest. I want change something. I have determination. I see that it is sucessful. Im not afraid of foreighners. I want Germany to stay Germany.

Indeed you are a young simpleton that needs to learn a lot. You have got some good and some bad instinct. You can grow, it is up to you.

Then you Germans are nuts. The Third Reich was propagated by the propaganda and hate of Jews as a parasitic and foreign element, if not legally at least culturally. Once the country was de facto purged, the single stupidest thing was to open the flood gates to other culturally incompatible groups.

Again, and I will never stop asking this question, were the German citizens asked if they want the asylum laws? Did anyone ask? A rhetorical question requiring no answer, so you are off the hook but still f**ked as we all are.

The difference between you and me is that I hate our rulers and have no illusions what a scam the so-called Western "democracies" are.

@Rich Mazur

Those laws they installed will lead to a tragedy propably bigger than anything else. They are judt too dumb to see it.

There are two things I really don't understand.

(1) The apologists here call you all kinds of names without ever proposing anything constructive. Only moaning and explaining how things must be the way they are, so better get used to it. I can't stand this attitude.

(2) Nobody here even remotely dislikes the ruling elites which are just as oppressive and indifferent to the lower 80% as the commies were not long ago. Yes, no gulags and anyone can leave the country. But that's it. Freedom of expression? Sure, if you hate your job, go right ahead and speak your mind.

Is this another form of the Stockholm syndrome?

I already said it before: I am glad you joined here to kick some chairs and give this forum a contrast between a patriot and a weasel.

Must be a hard choice, for you , In America you maybe a-fore in Poland you may be considered the latter oh the riddles of life!

The country is a lovely and much needed respite from the big city. In life though, one needs both.
Hard to commune with the cornfield or have a meaningful, thoughtful (horrors!!) intellectual discussion with cows or cattle:-)

When your country is overrun by the hordes the natives don't want or a home owner is awaken to the sound of broken glass, never suggest a meaningful and thoughtful intellectual discussion. Instead, say this: Where the f*** is my gun!!!

The thing is, Merkel and her pathetic cabinet are the personified weakness. Merkel doesnt care for Germany, she even throw german flag away at an event. She sees Germany as a settlement area. She hates the german people and the people hate her. As she had more power, it went worse evry day. Since AfD did rise in power, Merkel was cut back more and more. She is a political zombie now. Her own party tells her to stay out of election campaign, her presence is unwanted. She does not say anything to daily matters anymore but basicly resides like a mad queen in her chancellor office. Its laughable.

The worst thing is, that she and her pathetic cabinet would be unwilling and also unable to protect this nation. One must be scared that in an event of war, a creature like Merkel would be responsible to organize our defense.

As it stands right now, we have a justice minister who says in public, that IS members can come to Germany and bring their family. An interior minister who tries to stop this madness.

We have a defense minister who destroyed our military and is corrupted to the core.

We have a foreign affairs minister who looks like a Garden gnome and with his pathetic politics isolates Germany by siding with Iran.

And we have a president who called the american president a hate preacher and congratulates the Ayatollahs for islamic revolution,

No book could imagine the madness, that Germany has to endure.

Right now the german people depend almost completly from the protection of others. Italy, Hungary, Croatia for example. I feel great gratitude that those countries stopped the inflow of 3rd worlders and defend our people where our regime failed us.

What you just wrote is sad and depressing. As a Polish guy, I should feel good about your weakness but I don't. I suspect that there is something else going on in Germany that is beyond the guilt for WW2. This level of nihilism borders on suicidal, it is unhealthy and not sustainable. Something has to give.

Is this mental disorder experienced only by the upper class or do the average Germans show the same symptoms?

Germans should an masse chose to be Slavs again. Germany is non-functional experiment of mad magnates. Its only suitable for sedimentation of non-whites which offspring will be later sent to USA. Also, its suitable to be used by Anglo bankers for starting greedy wars against Slavs. Nobody care for people in Germany. And why would THEY care? Ultimately, less Germans, less Slavic genetics.

Just hate isn't enough....another alternative is needed....and then to work for it!


We must live in different Germany's....and didn't you just say you are happy?

...but it's a start.
Without hate, there would be no "America" and we would still be "subjects". It's the "love" of humanity that leads to irreversible and existential problems. Like in the UK where they proudly collect human garbage because it feels good to be good and loving.

Remember the rule: nice die first.

Nah...you need to offer a vision, an alternative people can rally behind.

In the long run always only being "against" something doesn't get you enough of the support you need to actually change things.
(And I really don't remember "hate" being the reason why the US had been such a popular immigration destination for so many Europeans over the centuries. It was the hope what made them packing their backs, a promise of a better life, not hate!:)

For example...I understand why people want to curb immigration, especially from far away countries with all their far away religion and culture and tradition and what not.

But only wanting to stop it, won't be enough!

Eventually questions like these will pop up ...

Who will pay our rent if not the many foreign children (we don't make them as much as needed anymore)
Who will wipe our old asses in the rest homes (we for sure don't have enough people able/willing to do the job)
Who will consume enough to keep our economy floating when our own people actually shrink?
Who will stand at our assembling lines in the factories (we for sure don't have enough young ones wanting to learn a job to take over anymore)

Just closing the borders is the easy thing actually...but what then?

In Germany it's actually the industry and even middle to small sized enterprises who are calling for more and easier immigration.

These people are usually not known for their philantropic tradition but cold hard financial interests...that is not about feeling "good" and "loving" but keeping their companies alive (laborers) and their profits high (consumption). For both they need people!

Their reasons are totally different to the usual leftist claptrap of "open borders", "refugees welcome" and such...but they are on the same side today. Another reason the left is abolishing itself. For 200 years the left had been the enemy of the capital, now they are brothers in arms, heh:)

No!!! They hated what they had before they would love what was there to come. They hated it so much that they were prepared to face the risks and the uncertainties that would always come with such life altering decisions. Why do Africans get on those rickety boats and risks their lives on the way to Europe?

Why do you think I left Poland in 1966? I left because I hated what I had and the number one thing I hated was my poverty and no prospects of ever moving out of my parents tiny apartment.

Hate is the main motivator and the reason why humanity makes progress. We now have cars because, one day, people realized how much they hated cleaning sh** from the streets their horses deposited. And the dead horses themselves. Medicine is what it is because we hate dying or seeing others die. If we were happy to die and transition to the "other side" with a smile we would close all the hospitals and the drug stores.


BS. They can easily make things where the labor is cheap. The US stripped itself naked of its manufacturing base and sent it packing to Mexico and China. Immigrants are flowing in because the ruling class sees it as dependent class which, for the freebies they get, will support and vote for the rulers. If the Latino garbage was for the Republicans, we would have the most awesome wall already in place. Cheap labor is already done on the other side.

Sure!!! :)

They wouldn't want to come to the US or Europe if they hate it....


True, the less costs for labor the higher the profits.


Don't be naive...why do you think the industry isn't an important part of the government? The economy needs the people, that's why our govs won't close the borders, they can't.

Not even Poland is closing it's borders and becomes self-reliant all of a sudden...because they can't...now they are building on a compromise, taking in Ukrainians instead of Africans, the need is the same.

But sooner or later the european source will dry up, as has for Germany, which is taking in european laborers for decades now...

And of course any new immigrant is a source for even more profit through consumption. He has to build a life for himself and his family...all the things he will need and want to buy (car, home, food, clothing, entertainment)...the taxes he will pay...and so fresh living his dream he is alot less inclined to protest and whine but be the happy little consumer they so love!

He is neither wanted nor expected to give a **** about politics at all...


Nope....there is rarely a day without some article in the german media where some entrepreneur or the other is not lamenting about that they can't find laborers or even apprentices. That more and more businesses have to close because they don't find usable personal...

They are actively combing the camps for suitable material...they are desperate!

Poland is taking in Ukrainians after 3 million Poles left Poland because they hated their mediocre paychecks or no paychecks at all. Do you think that it is so much fun to leave your family behind and work at some factory or a slaughter house in the UK or Germany? They do it out of desperation - just as why I left.

If profit is the number one consideration and ahead of culture, morality, and the tribe's purity and the long term survival, then prostitution would be mainstreamed. Would you like your wife or daughter to be a prostitute just because it's highly profitable? How about a stripper in a sleazy joint with a bunch of disgusting fat guys drooling over the "girls"?

There are certain things decent people just don't do. There are certain things societies should not do just to be incrementally richer.

So, how about sending some of your "jobs" outside to keep Germany white and clean?

The unemployment rate in Germany is 3.2%. That's low. The question is: did the easy welfare cause it or is it real?
Also, there are 9 EU countries - all white - with the unemployment rates double that of Germany. This means that Germany does not need muslims and africans. Instead, invite the white EU labor and only for a temporary stay without any prospects of ever becoming German citizens. Problem solved.

You are welcome.

All do this for the same reason....the Ukrainian, the Pole, the German the same as the Latino or the African. They are that desperate that even working in a slaughterhouse in our countries is deemed better than staying at home.


Prostitution is mainstreamed and has been since the beginning. Thing is the profiteurs aren't the industry. And since there aren't taxes to get out of (in most countries), so the state doesn't earn from it, it's deemed illegal.


There are enough men around who think exactly like that.


Profit gives a flying f*uck about race, colors or religions, don't you know this? Any laborer who spends his money outside of Germany is a loss!


I don't think the official unemployment rate is correct...I believe they are fairly juggling with it. But when the company heads go searching in the refugee camps for every pair of willing hands and even go so far as paying education for their new apprentice, and the language course, and help him to search for an apartment, only out of desperation to keep him in the company, this unemployment rate must be really low.


Sadly it doesn't!

Germany takes in masses of european unemployment since many years, doubly even since the big crisis...and it isn't enough. Your math only works on paper...not all european unemployed want to come to Germany, we are rivals with many other EU countries too. If it would be so easy....

But it's true, being part of the EU, with free movement, helped alot...but we are still shrinking! And so are all other western countries...

Let's bottom line: with all that unemployment in the EU zone, why don't you keep Germany white?

It isn't enough....they are not moving all to Germany, heh:)

I believe only the digitalization of the industries will put a stop to labor immigration, because there is nothing more profitable than zero labor costs.

But till then...people will keep moving in. And they will not only be allowed to but be greeted with open arms...

That's exactly what the Germans did. They invited people from EU nations with high unemployment to come to Germany. What did they get in return? They were accused by the nationalists of these countries that they "steal" their youth...