Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

You could have said the same about the Soviets occupying Poland: get used to it. Just like that moron mayor of London saying: get used to terrorism. And you call this "work"?

The Lord Mayor meant that terrorism has become the new normal.
That's not the same as saying to get used to it. I must protest the poster's twisting of words.

You should be embarrassed. Defending this pos is inexcusable. As far as words, I know English well enough to know that "normal" and "get used to it" are equivalents. Only a hair-splitting linguistic geek would claim otherwise. In fact, this is the article that confirms my perfect feel for the language. From dailywire.com:

FLASHBACK: Muslim Mayor Of London Tells Citizens To Get Used To Terrorism

Read it and see for yourself what I meant by referring to this Muslim scumbag as piece of s***.

dailywire.com/news/16770/flashback-muslim-mayor-london-told-citizens-get-michael-qazvini

youtu.be/gyOK8ktiFLM

A radical Islamist reveals the true nature of Islam in the UK and what their future plans are.

youtu.be/cYFzrEIzoHE

Sharia Scare Shakes UK: 'Law of the land go to hell'

They are only joking...according to the apologists.

What's mind boggling is seeing Jews defending this crap. They never learn when safely in the US or Western Europe.

As opposed to the Israelis and my favorite organization, Mossad.

@Rich Mazur

Also true leaers show how wrong this is.

Italian minister Salvini said he will stop migration. Leftists said thats evil and impossible.

Guess what? He stopped migration, culled it down to almost zero. How did he achieve this? With brute force. Crush down NGO, arrest their members, confiscate their ships. Zero tolerance towards migrants. No matter what, he let them not on land. Push back into the sea. Numbers went down from 22.000 per month to 32 per month.

Under Salvinis reign, the numbers of his party Lega Nord have brought them to be strongest party in Italy.

People demand it.

Oh and demographics will change indeed. Since 2015 numbers of migrants in eastern Germany fall from very low to almost zero.

People here are fed up with that and strike back and its working. Migrants dont go to lands where they encounter absolute hate.

Will also be interesting to see what happens in west germany once they lack the money to pay their welfare.

I really appreciate your post. It made me feel a lot better.
Brute and overwhelming force saves lives. Weakness leads to casualties. Like in Vietnam.
The amazing thing is that it was the Italians who showed the Euro weasels how it can be done. Not only they can sing, but kick ass as well.

Now I can hit the sack a lot happier. Thanks again.

That is not a good argument to make, Lyzko.

Often it's this helpless anger which brings people to vote for protest parties from the extremist fringe. When you have the feeling nobody listens to you, nothing you say changes a thing...at best you get to hear "get used to it", at worst you get berated, it's not a nice feeling...that is also undemocratic, because it means people have no say whatsover, their wishes don't count.

So, one consequence is....if you show me the proverbial "finger", I will show you mine come next election!

Not smart....

The AfD get's it's voters from all the mainstream parties but the biggest number from former non-voters. People who have become alreads so disenchanted with politics that they couldn't been arsed to take part in elections at all anymore. Before the AfD was an option that group grew every time, a worrying sign for the decay of our democratic system, but before the AfD nobody seriously gave a sh*t...now they do.

That seems like a pretty good way to describe the AfD base in Eastern Germany. My friend lives in Frankfurt (Oder) and speaks German fluently as a Pole, and she says that the AfD support is clearly coming from the frustrated and angry part of society. For instance, she runs a lot of cross-border projects, and she got hassled by one middle aged guy who had some very unkind things to say about Poles. They talked for a bit, he gave her the usual AfD talking points, and then she explained to him that she's Polish and was born on the other side of the river.

He apologised, but she said that she hasn't seen such sentiments since the 1990's there.

An online poll on the Berliner Zeitung site at the moment says that the party that takes most of the votes is AfD.

Welche Partei wurden Sie wahlen, wenn am kommenden Sonntag Bundestagswahl ware?
[Which party would you vote for in the parliamentary election if it were to take place on Sunday?]

AfD 31 %
Grune 19 %
Die Linke 17 %
CDU/CSU 12 %
Andere 9 %
SPD 7 %
FDP 5 %

(Including my vote for CDU/CSU even if I will never vote in Germany)

In Berlin???

Hard to believe that....

I would also prefer to vote for the CDU, but in Berlin the CDU is a fiasco! :(

Not only in Berlin, but among readers of BZ. This is an internet poll, so you can vote from every place in the world.

Or you can say that those who support the AfD are those who are most likely to take part in online polls ...

Probably...yes....

It's to easy to push such a button...doesn't mean there is enough anger to actually bring it into the voting booth!

Some Germans, like Weimarer, are actively against third-world (3W) immigrants, what percentage of Germans are FOR more 3W immigrants?
I don't mean the go-along spineless weasels. I mean those Germans who would affirmatively state - now or in the past - the following: I want more 3W immigrants.

There is a statistic from this year, a survey about pro and contra limited immigration:

de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/289427/umfrage/umfrage-zu-einer-begrenzung-der-zuwanderung-nach-deutschland/

Dark Blue = contra immigration limit (most with 69% are "Die Grünen" voter)
Light Blue = pro immigration limit (most with 84% are AfD voter)

The other mainstream parties are nearly neatly split in the middle...so is the country! 48% in favour, 46% against.

PS: I wonder about those 16% AfD voter who are still in favour of an unlimited immigration though...

I wonder how such surveys are conducted. If by a direct p2p contact, then the results are skewed toward in favor because people are easily shamed.

Can you explain how your average Hans can be for more 3W immigrants who are statistically known to be nothing but welfare burden?

The question is worded incorrectly...there are two kinds of foreigners:

1.) The refugee, the foreigner (now mostly from 3 world countries), who is taken in because of our duty to help those in need. He is not expected something else but to be a welfare burden. When he finds a way to make a life, get a job and to pay us back, great...but he is only here till the situation in his home country gets better.

The duty to offer asylum to refugees is something which still finds a great majority in Germany!

And then there is that:

2.) People without having any claim to any refugee/asylum status (also now mostly from 3 world countries), in search for work or just a better life. Nobody wants them to be a welfare burden.

I blame in big parts the dumb and unskilled immigration policy of the german govs during the last decades that both groups have become entangled and muddled.

Also that many foreigners claim to be asylum seekers because they know they wouldn't have a chance to be let in otherwise.
The subsequent process to separate the wheat from the chaff has become incredible bureaucratic, longwired and complicated with the consequence that many people are abusing our generally accepted and widely supported right of asylum and have become undeservedly a burden to our welfare system. And even once they have been found out that they are here illegally, our laws are such that many of them are still allowed to stay here...which is making some blood boiling!

So...when you don't differentiate between these two groups of 3 world immigrants you won't understand the numbers.

Had Germany, Sweden, even France, England, Poland or the Netherlands adopted the Canadian model of restricting country of origin as suitable
for immigration into their country, what's more, provided a mandatory intelligence test for said new arrivals, Europe wouldn't be having the
seemingly insurmountable problems she has:-)

@B.B et al.

The issue is that the AfD is merely pandering to the sort of low-level ignorance typified by Weimarer and other blindly brainwashed AfD supporters.

Totally agree!

Our immigration policy is bungled, a total mess....it's the real refugees who will pay the price!

But again, you can lay a big part of the blame at Merkels feet....she was so many years at the helm and did nothing...and then 2015 came!

As with Bernie and Hillary, she's so pie-in-the-sky kumbaya-singing, it's disgusting.
And I'm the first to say it, admire the lady as I nonetheless do:-)

You can keep on admiring her, even when her stint in the german politics will be over! :)

I foresee a further international career for her, maybe in the EU....

People should be able to vote on taxes, every four years. Also representatives would have a set of instructions with few they couldn't be bypassed without their constituency consent.

Also not all citizens would be qualified to vote, there should be age, education and wealth standards to quality. Also if a proposed bill would aim at a particular group of a society, they should be able to put forward they own people for such a legislation - if they would wanted to.

That would make any long term planning obsolete...that could mean the end of the functioning state, I fear.

But with the rest I agree....societies have become so incredibly diversified, with so many different needs and wants, and we are now living in the digital age, there is no reason to limit democracy to one big question once every 4 years.

Not to mention that not every question is for all people....so it would make sense to limit the decision to the concerned groups and use the modern possibilities to find an agreement more easily and quickly.

That is not an excuse to ignore what the "society" wants.
I don't for a second believe that any society when presented with the pro's and the con's - honestly and without spin - would vote for more foreigners. No way!

Once the system is capable of ignoring what the majority wants - even if it means lower GNP - that society is dictatorial in nature and not that much different than the communism prior to 1989, gulags aside. Immigration, being an existential issue, should be at the top of the list where people alone should decide. If they decide to allow refugees in, a refugee tax should be passed immediately as a separate line item on the paychecks.

Then, I would like to see the results of a poll a month later.
Anything else is a combination of shaming and ignorance.

How do you know?

You think the poll is faked?

Why do you think that immigration hasn't been one of the most hotly debated topics in Germany during the recent years, where all arguments pro and contra are widely known by now?

And you are sorely misjudging the german mood...it's never the honest refugees which are questioned. I don't know if even the AfD is against the right of asylum as written into our basic law!

It's all the abuse and the loss of control by the german state and bureaucracy which has people up against...that's a difference.

Well I looked it up....

afd.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/111/2017/04/2017-04-12_afd-grundsatzprogramm-englisch_web.pdf

Page 58:

"....It is necessary to make a distinction between political refugees and people fleeing from war on the one hand, and irregular migrants on the other.It is the AfD's view that true refugees should be granted shelter as long as there is war in the countries of origin. Irregular migrants, who are not persecuted, have no right to claim protection, contrary to refugees...."

Sounds sensible to me...but even the AfD won't destroy that law of asylum or the support for real refugees...
And when you know that the AfD is the far most "anti-immigrant" party in Germany you get an idea how many Germans are even more immigrant-friendly...

Evryone who knows me, knows that i´m a reasonable man.

Merkel is responsible for all this chaos and the damage done to our great nation. In 2 weeks we have EU election and when i hear what my family, colleagues and friends say, all want vote AfD.

What is important for me? I want that things the liberal hold dear, break apart. Their fear and agony towards whats going on amuses me and gives great joy.

I remember in 2018 when Salvini became interior minister in Italy and caleld the migrants "human meat"...they screamed in chaos and shock.

I was so excited if he really does what he promises and then he did. He blocked the first ship and pushed it back. Then the next one. Then arrested NGO and crushed them. It felt so good actually to see all this unfold.

As for Merkel, she hates her own people and her people hate her. She doesnt even dare to visit eastern German states anymore.

Erm....you wanted to nuke Berlin, remember?

@Bratwurst Boy

Berlin is not worth a nuke. It was a satiric comment.

I visited Berlin. The whole city is a disgrace to Germany. Its simply disgusting.

Poor guy, not having the pleasure of a nice sail on Wannsee or visiting the charming Neu-Venedig.