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Why AfD is the most important party in Germany



Lyzko
29 May 2019  #1,411

Weimarer, the shoe is clearly on the other foot!
YOU are far below most people's intellect on this forum:-)

As far as your silly contention about most contemporary Turks, you haven't a leg to stand on.
Bist einfach schon wieder auf dem Holzweg!

Weimarer
29 May 2019  #1,412

@Lyzko

You are just a sad old man. At least you are entertaining. But often not even that.

Lyzko
29 May 2019  #1,413

Projecting again, as usual.
Well, a free, open forum ensures even the inaliable right to be an idiotLOL

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,414

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In this book famous German Jakob Grimm state that German mythology can`t be studied and understand without insight into the Slavic mythology. So in a 1000 pages of book Grimm writes, actually creates, German mythology, mostly using Serbian epic poetry presented to him by back then Serbian philologist Vuk Stefanovic who was often welcomed in Grimm`s house. When Goethe himself learned of Serbian epic poetry and mythology he regarded them to be stronger then Nordic Kalevala. Since then, many European and world readers of Grimm grow up on the fairy tales inspired by Serbian culture and never were aware of it (sure, Serbs are aware).

One of best examples is Tolkien that even studied Serbian language and by use of Serbian mythological explanations for Odin (actually Vodan- same God as Odin but in Serbian mythology precisely represent second aspect of Odin), created character Gandalf in his book Lords of Rings. That second aspect says how is Vodan rather alone and travel during night, have hat and wear dark blue tunic, etc.

Odin is named Wotan in German and it comes from "Wut". Which means Furious

Actually, Odin or to say Vodan (Wotan) even wasn`t highest ranked God in what is now Germany and on the west of Europe. Other deity held that position and it was Gausus, Gautatýr = germ. *ḡautan 'lärmen, schreien' - what in Serbian exactly means `galamiti, larmati, grajati` /all words have same meaning in Serbian `loudly yelling`/

At first, German meaning of `Wut` and connection to Wotan was influenced by `Vates, vatis` - Latin word and means `seer` or `obsessed`. German explanation was that to be `seer` had to be `obsessed`. Anyway, later German linguists were on the line that Latin Vates and vatis originates from Slavic Veles, Volos or Voloh.

Bratwurst Boy
30 May 2019  #1,415

In this book famous German Jakob Grimm state that German mythology can`t be studied and understand without insight into the Slavic mythology.

He said also something else:

"Grimm argumentiert für eine Identität der nordischen und deutschen Götterlehre.[4]"

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Mythologie#cite_note-4

He studied slavic languages, so he should had been a much better grip on slavic myths and history than you have on the germanic ones. And for him an independent identity of the nordic and germany mythology was never in doubt!

You really should learn german Crowie, not rely on english or serbian interpretations only. Otherwise you will run always into the same brickwall as you do since the 10 years or more I know you. You need to broaden your knowledge and insight, you need to develop!

Bratwurst Boy
30 May 2019  #1,416

Actually, Odin or to say Vodan (Wotan) even wasn`t highest ranked God...

Actually no. That wasn't the highest deity it was one of many, especially for the Langobards...one germanic tribe of many.

It has been tried to explain "Gautr" as one of the many nicknames of Odin, but these theories are contested.

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gausus

Anyway, later German linguists were on the line that Latin Vates and vatis originates from Slavic Veles, Volos or Voloh.

A link please

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,417

theories are contested.

Forget contest

Jakob Grimm nicely said what he said. Slavic and Serbian mythology is answer.

A link please

A link? You put Latin Vetes in google and read it. Then you put Slavic Veles in google and you see that Germans operates with it. Then, you have your creativity.

Weimarer
30 May 2019  #1,418

@Crow

Your people are born slaves and thiefs. This and nothing more.

I tried it nicely, it obviously didnt work.

Bratwurst Boy
30 May 2019  #1,419

Jakob Grimm nicely said what he said. Slavic and Serbian mythology is answer.

How should anybody know what you think he said? You rarely provide any link...and you and I know why! Because your sources are only ever these one or two serbian nationalist "historians" which only try to support their political bias. And you are following them blindly. Nothing they write is in any way supported by german or international historians, hence there are no real discussions or accompanying studies and/or theories to find. You have no links. There is nothing!

Start learning german, Crowie! Then you can read the originals and come to your own conclusions, no longer being forced to rely on biased interpretations!

Then you put Slavic Veles in google and you see that Germans operates with it.

I googled Veles:

"Veles also known as Volos (Russian: Волос, listed as a Christian saint in Old Russian texts), is a major Slavic god of earth, waters, and the underworld."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veles_(god)

..and that has to do with Odin exactly what?

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,420

I tried it nicely, it obviously didnt work.

Not truth. I have my germanized phases.

Your people are born slaves and thiefs. This and nothing more.

And your people came from sperm and wombs of my people. From there and from anywhere else.

Weimarer
30 May 2019  #1,421

@Crow

If so we obviously evolved far above you. We are taller, look better and rule Europe...

You? Well...you know yourself.

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,422

Whatever man, whatever, don`t humiliate yourself anymore. I love you. Really.

Just, Lusatia goes with us.

Ziemowit
30 May 2019  #1,423

You rarely provide any link

Providing links to facts is still a very weak point in the theories of some 'historians' on this forum. Crow is not that bad in it at all since another such 'historian' got very aggresive yesterday when I called him out on that and instead of providing a link, he simply called me 'faggot'. So you must be very patient, BB.

Veles is a rather mysterious god. The problem is that we know very little about Slavic gods, much less than we know about Germanic gods. Written sources are scarce and mostly come from German chronicles desribing the Elbe Slavs or chronicles of the Kievian Ruthenia.

It is sometimes assumed that Veles might have had a centre of his cult in the present-day Wolgast in Eastern Germany: Wolgast < *Vol(os)ъgost'.

Another theory is that Veles was the opposite god to Perun. According to some, Perun would have been related to Thor-Donar, or in fact might have been a local variation of Thor-Donar in Kievian Ruthenia. In other words, much confusion and uncertainty about the Slavic pantheon of gods.

Weimarer
30 May 2019  #1,424

@Ziemowit

Can you understand why it angers people when someone tries to negate their history and culture?

Thats what he does all day.

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,425

@Weimarer

Yea, you convince Poles you are right and you convinced them how are they guests in Poland, late arrived newcomers.

No, my dear, what was Slavic was Slavic. We share history to great extent. Nobody was first. Simple, to one moment of history your ancestors were Slavic and then they separated from Slavs (ie Sarmats) for all sorts of reasons. And its not the problem. People separate but don`t deny time they shared. Just live with that. No reason to vulgarize that fact. Don`t harm those who remained Slavic, for you can`t live with yourself.

Bratwurst Boy
30 May 2019  #1,426

First you say this:

Nobody was first

And then you contradict yourself:

Simple, to one moment of history your ancestors were Slavic and then they separated from Slavs

Slavs came latest to Europe, first were the Celts..then came the Germanics from the North and then came the Slavs from the East.

Your people were actually late comer in Europe. All what you call slav territory later settled by Germanics had been germanic before, you know the old roman map.

During the wild times of the "Völkerwanderung" the germanic tribes left for the South and in came the Slavs from the East. You know that, but you chose to ignore that.

All your desperate tries to turn history on it's head speaks of a low self-esteem for yourself and your ancestors. But there is a whole slavic history and culture to be proud of, totally without denying yourself and others their past history!

PS: And before Celts, Germanics and Slavs there were the Neanderthals. THEY were actually first..or do you want to claim them as Slavs too? Many Europeans have still some Neanderthal-DNA in them...you can't hold a candle to these true natives! :)

Miloslaw
30 May 2019  #1,427

Slavs came latest to Europe

Completely correct.
Celts first, then Germanics and then Slavs and Magyars.

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,428

And then you contradict yourself:

Yes, nobody was first and we all are first. OUR common ancestors were first. Yes, they were Slavs and today`s Slavs preserved direct continuity with OUR common ancestors. But, considering those ancient Slavs were also ancestors to today`s Germans, it means that Germans aren`t guests on their land but natives, exactly same as today`s Slavs. Difference is only that today`s Slavs preserved direct linguistic and cultural connection to ancient Slavs, while today`s Germans, under circumstances, diverged from ancestral Slavic culture. Credit to today`s Slavs for direct lineage and credit to today`s Germans for being able to endure changes. See, I think that we all need ALL that, and traditionalism and also capability to change. Not to say that we all desperately needs scientific truth, in order to progress. If you ask me, that is why truth becoming available, that is why is this allowed to us to speak in this era. That is why Belgrade becoming important and that is why Serbia strengthen- to bring balance to West.

Bratwurst Boy
30 May 2019  #1,429

OUR common ancestors were first. Yes, they were Slavs

OUR common ancestors danced around a fire somewhere in Africa!

Weimarer
30 May 2019  #1,430

@Crow

We too can see continuity for thousands years of germanic history. Go to Völkerkundemuseum in Halle. Super exciting there.

Crow
30 May 2019  #1,431

OUR common ancestors danced around a fire somewhere in Africa!

What then this Weimarer wants to prove. Is he crazy?

Lyzko
30 May 2019  #1,432

Pack it in Crow!

B.B. knows what he's talking about here. I agree also that you should learn German, but like many who claim to admire things German, they're too lazy to learn the language. The gold you will mine, sir, from NOT having to rely on the watered-down English-language versions of original language texts!

Crow
1 Jun 2019  #1,433

You? Well...you know yourself.

Oh you would love this dobri and predobri brate >> Enjoy Prussian parade army step >>> Serbian Blue Guard of Slavia >>>> youtube.com/watch?v=6xiMqte7Mww >>>>> This is Serbian army marching at Chinese grand military parade, to mark the 70th anniversary of the victory of the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War, in 2015;

Spot how Serbian army march, as true keepers and re-claimers of Sarmatian and Aryan heritage, as Lusatian Serb and General of Serbian royal army Paulus Sturm (Pavle Jurisic Sturm) wanted us to march since 1912 year, in fashion of Prussian army parade step, most manly of all marches, so that by his desire we preserve Prussian heritage as Serbian as it is Serbian and Slavic as it is Slavic,... so that we have it secured and prevent vermin to take it for itself and pollute our venerable heritage. For Serbians we are and have no fear!

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Venerable brat, Lusatian Serb, General Pavle Jurisic Sturm, commander of 3rd Serbian royal army that had crucial role in making Austro-Hungaria stumble and collapse

>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Juri%C5%A1i%C4%87_%C5%A0turm
NOTE: Paulus Sturm was born on august 10./22. 1848. in Görlitz, Prussian Silesia, of ethnic Sorb origin. He moved with his brother to Serbia and joined the Serbian army. Šturm became one of the most important commanders in the Serbian army in World War I, especially during its first two years, the time when his 3rd army was main support either for the 2nd army during the battle of Cer (August 1914), or for the 1st army during the battle of Kolubara (November to December 1914).

This is Serbian army marching at Chinese grand military parade, to mark the 70th anniversary of the victory of the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War, in 2015 >>> youtube.com/watch?v=6xiMqte7Mww

Serbian Hell March on heavy rain > youtube.com/watch?v=mF-TpljGA6M

After last modernization of army >>>

Serbian military parade on Victory Day, 2019 >>> youtube.com/watch?v=iZER9TfxCFc

Bratwurst Boy
5 Jun 2019  #1,434

....a message for the other european Social Democrats?

In copying the anti-immigrant far right the danish Social Democrats are winning again!

theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/05/centre-left-social-democrats-set-to-win-in-denmark-elections

Mette Frederiksen's attracted voters with anti-immigration stance and spending promises

Dunno what the european press is going to call that but to me it's National Socialism, and it has nothing lost from it's past allurement.

Rich Mazur
5 Jun 2019  #1,435

but to me it's National Socialism,

So? What's wrong with either or both in 2019?

Bratwurst Boy
5 Jun 2019  #1,436

Well...at least in Germany it was the seducing vehicle used to transport and install something alot more sinister...we all know how that ended.

Surely it won't end like that in Denmark or in other smallish countries...but elsehwere?

Thing is it sounds so easy and likeable with alot of good reasons and would surely find alot of voters...but how to make sure it stays that way?

Rich Mazur
6 Jun 2019  #1,437

How do we make sure that Christians are not going to used as food for wild animals? How do we make sure that slavery will not return to the US? How do we make sure that blacks will not be lynched again? How do we make sure that Polish officers are not going to be executed in another Katyn?

We don't have to do anything because the probability of any of those today is less than that the moon will explode into fine dust.

It's really about time you, Germans, cut that NAZI crap out and quit explaining, apologizing and agonizing, and started acting like nothing ever happened. You will do yourself and everybody else a favor.

Vesko Vukovic
6 Jun 2019  #1,438

If so we obviously evolved far above you. We are taller, look better and rule Europe...

telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/the-tallest-and-shortest-countries-in-the-world/

Nein as per the British Telegraph stats...

;)

Crow
6 Jun 2019  #1,439

Exactly, Germans are small and dark. What is White in them is only their Serbian self and even that degrade rapidly due to Merkel`s experiments.

But we who are still Serbs, we are tallest and plus most robust Whites. Dominant alfa-males and desire of every sane fertile woman.

Hvala brate Vesko for the link. Sad creature now can`t say we attacking him on racial level.

Ziemowit
6 Jun 2019  #1,440

But we who are still Serbs, we are tallest and plus most robust Whites.

You are only one centimeter taller than the Germans, Crow. It is not that much at all. Check the link once again.


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