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American understanding of Britain.



jon357
19 Sep 2018  #31

Who is talking about forgetting?

You. When segregation was mentioned you wanted an example of oppression from this century. Plenty are by the way reported.

Would be able to point out to me an example of the law that precipitate segregation today?

It doesn't always need a law, though some of their laws today, particularly at state level, are criticised heavily by civil rights activists.

People who having done anything are not responsible for the deeds of the previous generation.

They are however responsible for making as just and as equal a society as possible today. As are we all.

Ironside
19 Sep 2018  #32

When segregation was mentioned you wanted an example of oppression from this century.

I wanted you to give me an example of the oppression today. Something that happens right now. Not some moldy old examples of the past, long gone.

It doesn't always need a law,

You need to give me something tangible, something real, something that can be identified. Saying I don't know where and I don't know why but I have heard in the air some talk about oppression is just a stuff for kids. Is that too much to ask for the evidence?

Hey and while you at it would you explain to me why there is an apriority assumption that the white people are oppressors? Why this collectivist approach?

hey are however responsible for making as just and as equal a society as possible today. As are we all.

All, OK, fine with me,why the onus is on the white people only then?.

jon357
19 Sep 2018  #33

I wanted you to give me an example of the oppression today.

Just watch the news from there, read the newspapers, or a news website that you can put through google translate. I put a couple of words in a search engine (you can do the same) and plenty came out.

You need to give me something tangible

No I don't

Hey and while you at it would you explain to me why there is an apriority assumption that the white people are oppressors?

No, not that there is...

Worth reminding you though, that the thread's about American understanding of Britain, not America's myriad problems.

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #34

But the lack of understanding and unity between Yanks and Brits is astounding

I always liked the Brits until I came to this forum and found out how nasty and vindictive they really are.

After the likes of Brit Bully Club, Ive found a new understanding of our so called "friends" from across the pond.

On the contrary, most British that Ive met in the real world don`t behave or say things like WB, Harry, Jon or Delphia. I believe now, the Brits are mostly cowards that hate us, but are too afraid to say it to our faces. They are spineless men that let their capitol of Londionstan become taken over by Muslims and they dont do anything about it, yet criticize us yanks...phuck em! LOL

jon357
20 Sep 2018  #35

hate us

I don't think that many people spend much time thinking about you, and if they do, their impression is based on what they see.

nasty

The only 'nasty' stuff is in post #34.

MoOli
20 Sep 2018  #36

I always liked the Brits until I came to this forum and found out how nasty and vindictive they really are.

You should see the real life debates,as I have seen it personally in Poland in gatherings esp at American Chamber of Commerce business mixers(where there is free food/alcohol and paid ones at British Chamber of Commerce) or July 4parties and hardly any Americans go for British Chamber of Commerce in Warsaw.

Ironside
20 Sep 2018  #37

Just watch the news from there,

I wanted YOU to do it just to make sure we are on the same page.

No I don't

You do if you want me to take your argument seriously. You don't if you want to evade debate. I see the pattern in your behavior on this forum. You rather satisfy yourself with expressing all kinds of sentiments without any logical and factual coherence behind it. Hence I'm not surprised. Have a good day.

No

At lest you're being honest about it. I see that a process of your acculturation in Poland goes smoothly. As this direct and assertive yet curtail of any peasantries answer would indicate. :)

I don't think Americans understand Britain, To address the topic. I think all that common history, kinship, similarities and the same language and influences that circulate both ways are quite misleading. Regardless of similarities and things that overlap there is more of so issues and realties that an average American doesn't understand about Britain. Nor does he need to.

In a long and hopefully fruitful and a productive live people focus on a task at hand. To really understand something beside what is needed for a successful life is a luxury few can or want to indulge into. Most are satisfied with some simplified shards of a whole picture. To understand one need not only to study it but to experience as well to some degree. Who beside few scholars and specialists would devote his time and resources to do that?

That cut both ways. I don't think that on average Brits really get USA. Although there is this assumption on their part (those few who care at all) that THEY actually do. contrary to their colonial cousins who are just simpletons in comparison. :)

Beside who is really concerned by that issue? Most people are happy enough to live their quiet little life unmolest by the issues larger that their neighbor's cat emptying its bowels on their painstakingly cultivated flower bed.

I understand OP motivation but the internet forums are thriving on conflicts.
Those little storms under caps Lok are what brings people closer to understand each other. Unless someone is dumb enough to take it too seriously and got himself a stroke. lol~

Into account need to be taken all kind of sad people with serious mental issues that prey on those forums. I think that actually a good thing, hopefully they can find their fulfillment trolling rather than go after animals or vulnerable people in the real life.

Not do get philosophical but that question need to be asked - what do you mean by the word - 'understand'? To understand others one need to understand himself and how many of us can tell with any degree of certainty that we really do understand ourselves.

To end on a cheerful note. I think those differences are overtly not that great. People are just focus on them more because there of similarities that gives an impression of intimate closeness. Which leads to false assumptions. IF those assumptions get busted on a contact with reality its when disappointment takes over leading to resentment.

jon357
20 Sep 2018  #38

just to make sure we are on the same page.

That's unlikely. Not necessarily at different ends in the book either. Perhaps half a chapter away.

I see that a process of your acculturation in Poland goes smoothly.

Very unsmooth indeed over the decades. For better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health. Roughly half my life now. As you certainly know, Poland isn't a homogenous mass; it's a complex and multilayered society, just as Polish-born Poles find their niche in it (not necessarily in the spheres that are easiest) so do those who originally came from elsewhere..

America too. Also Britain. They're if anything (especially Britain) even more complex societies. You're right though that most people want to have a quiet life tending their flowerbeds. In Britain, some people's world is all about their house, conservatory, holidays and family/friends who live locally. You'll find this in Poland too, and in most places. Others never quite fit into that pattern. Society does need both.

hopefully they can find their fulfillment trolling rather than go after animals or vulnerable people in the real life.

Rather well said.

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #39

American doesn't understand about Britain. Nor does he need to.

Nor do we care or ever think about whats happening in the UK, but on the other hand the Brits are always concerned about what were doing.

I can barely understand what they are talking about because It sounds like they have a mouth full of marbles when they speak.

Good post Iron!

Hey, do you remember when WB created the thread Yanks vs. Brits? This is the same thing all over again.

Jon came back to revive the BBC, too bad Harry is gone! Haha!

delphiandomine
20 Sep 2018  #40

I don't think that many people spend much time thinking about you, and if they do, their impression is based on what they see.

Indeed, if we were to base our opinion of America based on the few American clowns on this forum, it's likely that our impression would be a very negative one.

Still, wise to remember that unemployed rednecks do not represent America any more than we do.

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #41

Speaking of world renowned trolls.............

Hey, even if I were to be unemployed, much to your dismay. I would still earn more than your measly teaching job in Poland.

Please, explain again what you couldn't hack it in the UK as a teacher and why does your Polish/Jew wife have to support you?

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #42

I don't think that many people spend much time thinking about you, and if they do, their impression is based on what they see.

Believe me, your opinion means nothing to us, its just foreign gibberish, hot air and nobody takes you clowns seriously:)

jon357
20 Sep 2018  #43

if we were to base our opinion of America based on the few American clowns on this forum,

Yes, oddly enough the ones I know in real life, including some very close friends, are actually quite nice people. I spent Christmas with a Muppet (actually a Muppet as in a guy who used to voice one of the characters) in Senegal last year. One of the best people you could hope to meet. He's rather conservative and religious by European standards, however he does refer to their liar-in-chief as "the mango mussolini".

I know a few others too, all of differering political and cultural backgrounfs, and most of them are great.

None of this gratuitous nastiness that seems to surface from some losers online.

Miloslaw
20 Sep 2018  #44

I have to agree with Jon here.
Joker,your chosen handle is very apt.....but you are not funny....
The Americans on this forum are in the main full of bile and hatred,I tried to patch things up with the thread I started but it's obvious to me now that many of The Yanks on here are just extremist nutters.....most of The world cannot take Americans seriously either.....your funny accent BTW comes from the West Country......of England...

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #45

Joker,your chosen handle is very apt.....but you are not funny..

Im sorry Dude. I didn't mean to mess up your thread and sure you have good intentions. I got a warning for it. lol

Just watch the news from there, read the newspapers, or a news website that you can put through google translate.

Trusting a bunch of armchair quarterbacks that just parrot talking points from their favorite biased media outlet isnt really a way to get to know us.

johnny reb
20 Sep 2018  #46

Awe come on Brits, you know why Americans are like mushrooms ?
Cause we are really just fun guys.

I got a warning for it.

You did, delph didn't get a warning for starting it.

Still, wise to remember that unemployed rednecks do not represent America any more than we do.


jon357
20 Sep 2018  #47

in the main full of bile and hatred

Some are. It wsn't always like that 10 years ago when the forum started.

extremist nutters

The nicer ones mostly stopped posting due to the ranting cranks.

A lot of it is "internet deindividuation", something that seems to have started in the Americas but I see now has spread more and more to Europe. I did notice when I was over there that (apart from brusque New Yorkers) people were ultra polite in real life.

I was at a restaurant last week with a group of people I know all sat at a long table. We were joined by a couple of Americans and 2 French people who turned up and were known to several of us.. Five nationalities. The Brit majority (apart from me and a friend) were very jolly (one female who was turning the air blue was particularly 'jolly'). A Franco-Irish lady was cool, sophisticated and flirty, the Saffers were morose but well-behaved, the French were relaxed but having fun (as were a Brit friend and myself who were speaking French with them) and the Americans (friends who were sat with us and the French) were very quiet and looking in horror at the Brit lady's constant swearing.

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #48

Its not very classy and isnt acceptable when women swear in our society, especially going out to dinner on a social occasion.

She was mostly likely looking in disgust on how primitive the brit lady was behaving.

Do most Brit women always talk like drunken sailors? This isnt good??

jon357
20 Sep 2018  #49

Do most Brit women always talk like drunken sailors?

Most certainly don't, however this one's a ladette.

One (like me, from a rust belt coal-mining town who's made her life abroad) was looking on not just in horror but in curiosity and jealousy about the male attention she was getting, and the other (with a French husband) is a keen student of human behaviour but from a sheltered background.

One interesting thing was that the Brits/Saffers having fun down the table were all non-smokers, but my friend and I, the Frogs and the 'Merkins were all smokers.

jon357
20 Sep 2018  #50

There was another American person (I'd forgotten him) there. He's the Muppet guy I mentioned before and in many ways the chief enabler (in a get her going then sit back and watch sense) of the ladette. He made the mistake a while ago of inviting the sweary ladette to a US Embassy party. Those of us non-Americans on the permanent guest list had to have a quiet word with the embassy head of security to get her pre-emptively banned. We just new how all those preppy East Coast social register diplomats would have reacted to her frequent c-words and loud descriptions of how her minge foams up nicely when she's on a motorbike.

The kind of thing that the French are quietly amused at, the Germans would encourage so there's something to talk about and the Americans depending on type would either love or be horrified at. Or a bit of both.

Miloslaw
20 Sep 2018  #51

The only advantage the American army has is numbers and cash....as soldiers,they are pretty damn poor....
So poorly trained that the "friendly fire" from Yanks almost cost more British lives than from the enemy....useless!
You guys need our SAS to train you properly.....oh,we are already doing that...please ask your boys to pay attention....

Joker
20 Sep 2018  #52

The only advantage the American army has is numbers and cash....as soldiers,they are pretty damn poor..

Well, then let NATO be your defense. I dont see any reason why America should be involved in Europe affairs any longer and the feeling is mutual isnt it?

Also, its about time we get the hec out of Afghanistan as well. Just saying.

Rich Mazur
21 Sep 2018  #53

Let me correct what you wrote: Also, its about time we get the f*** out of Afghanistan, Korea, Japan, as well.
If these deadbeats want our protection, let's deliver it the Italian-style and get paid big bucks. And a percentage of their GDP. Or f*** you.

That's exactly and literally what we should tell them tomorrow.

Joker
21 Sep 2018  #54

e f*** out of Afghanistan, Korea, Japan, as well.

We've had troops at the DMZ for over 60 years if Im correct. I would rather have them back home protecting our border instead of the Korean border.

It looks like the Trumpeter maybe successful cleaning up the mess over there, the mess other swamp presidents couldn't handle.

As you can see by the lack of respect we get from these foreigners. I cringe to think another penny of our tax dollars will ever go to help defend them again.

Rich Mazur
21 Sep 2018  #55

As you can see by the lack of respect we get from these foreigners.

I am always greatly disturbed when the foreigners like our presidents. When they hate Trump, I don't even need the details what he did I am so happy.

Joker
21 Sep 2018  #56

They really loved Obongo, the worst American President in history. Time will prove this as being factual. Im sure the rest of the world loved him as he was giving away the candy store. Im still laughing how all the Dems have been claiming the economy is horrible and on the skids, then Obongo gives a speech, patting himself on the back for the surging economy? LOL cant make this stuff up!

Obongo couldn't get the weasel Germans to belly up and pay their NATO obligations. He had his chance and failed miserably at every aspect of the job!

At least the Brits pay up, cant complain about them in this respect.

johnny reb
21 Sep 2018  #57

Some are. It wsn't always like that 10 years ago when the forum started.

Oh jon !
Ten years ago the Brit Bully Club was in full swing and was referred to as the Limey Lounge that abused the Polish and Americans every chance they got.

It's a warning to mention names but they were all ex-pat Brit teachers in Poland that thought they were so superior and much more clever.

They even had the luxury of a bias British Mod on their team.
They would get drunk and see who could out do who by abusing anyone that didn't agree with them.
They even abused people for spelling a word wrong by ganging up on the person insulting them even if it was a typo.
The hatred was beyond mentioning.
I personally had always liked the British my whole life until I met these pompous asses.
It is much better now then ever since the American bully's chased their nasty asses out of here.
Notice how everyone is getting along without them lately.
Just saying.............

delphiandomine
21 Sep 2018  #58

Some are. It wsn't always like that 10 years ago when the forum started.

That's because the forum was mostly Poles and people living in Poland. Now it's dominated by Americans pushing their agenda constantly, which has little to nothing to do with Poland. They're also pushing their view of the UK, which has little to no basis in reality as you and I both know.

Miloslaw
21 Sep 2018  #59

OK,I'm seeing a slightly better side of you Yanks on here now.But please don't tarnish all us Brits as being like the ones on here in the past.

This forum does have plenty of interesting stuff on it but The Yanks constant attacks on The Brits is very off putting.
Even in the short time I have been following this forum I have noticed some posters dropping off.
I will admit that I have sometimes argued for the sake of arguing on here too and by the end of the argument found that I quite liked the person I was arguing with!

The problem is that when a poster turns nasty,most people's natural reaction is to hit back even harder.(I plead guilty too!).
But open and polite discussion between people of different views can be very enlightening.

Peace!

delphiandomine
21 Sep 2018  #60

Even in the short time I have been following this forum I have noticed some posters dropping off.

You only have to read the constant MAGA MUSLIMS YAY RUSSIA stuff to see why PF is nowhere near as busy as it could be.


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