Let's debate American Politics

This is more my cup of tea

Marsz niepodleglosci - march of independence - 150k strong and a sea of red and white. Brings joy to my Slavic heart : )

youtu.be/a7xqwm_c1_k

youtu.be/Xk_UBglPJKU (this one has English subs)

The one thing that cracked me up tho is watching the fights in virginia. Both sides throw punches like girls. Learn how to jab cross uppercut etc not flail your arms like a girl. Take some boxing or mma classes for Christ sakes.

yea,,its funny how they are (i mean media )"afraid" of american nazis..lol nothing to fear methink

The 'summer of hate' as the neo-nazis decided to call it before organising their silly frat-boy rally.


Better learn to behave peacefully and in an orderly manner. And not organise far-right rallies with swastikas in towns where they are not welcome, or disrespect the memories of those who died fighting fascism. That and avoid deliberately driving fast into crowds of families and young women.

@gregy741

Doubt it. I don't care. This country has been on a steady decline from the time I moved here and it breaks my heart. Things were still good in the 90s 00a even under clinton and bush. Everything is going to sh!t here more and more. Trump may stimulate the economy a little but its just a bandaid on a mortal wound. Besides I'm preparing myself over the next 2 3 years to buy a lil condo in poland or another Slavic country and just globe hop and work abroad. Idc whether its china Japan Argentina Iran Russia Finland Spain whatever. But America unfortunately just doesn't have the same appeal to me as it once did. Same with my fam were all planning on leaving. At least even 10 20 years ago a person could live a decent upper middle class life on a salary that an educated person would get. Not anymore though. If you don't have a decent bit of capital to invest widely you can forget about living well. Even making 100K a year barely passes for upper middle class anymore in major us cities.

The funny thing is in some asian countries esp China you can actually make half decenr money for the country just for being a tall blue eyed white male. Basically its like acting. There's a few articles on this topic including one from vice that's rather humorous titled rent a white guy.

@jon357

Everyone should learn how to defend themselves, men and women, or atleast be healthy and in shape. Even more so if you plan on putting yourself into violent confrontations. It wasn't just the alt right guys that showed up with weapons and armor - antifa did too. This is nothing new dude. Quite frankly its boring old news and the only reason why its trending now is bc unfortunately it went too far this time and someone got killed. However arrests and injuries are nothing new. Antifa and alt right have been brawling it out at demonstrations for a while now. Its almost like Americas version of European soccer hoolis but political and with no fighting skills.

Jon I could say the same about the antifa people that were assaulting normal families walking to a trump rally here. They were being assaulted spit on had stuff throw at them just because they wore a MAGA hat or shirt and were on the way to a rally where the speaker was invited to attend and had all the legal permits.

It goes both ways... Antifa are a bunch of low life thugs looking to pick fights. Look at their forums even. They're very open about this.

Again idioci... Both sides...

Should people have to? Fortunately the authorities were there to defend people, at a cost to the taxpayer that would better be spent elsewhere.


The fascists organised a 'summer of hate' rally. With Swastikas. To provoke, to terrorise, to intimidate and to shock.


Frat boys? People who run obnoxious political websites? So-called white-supremacists. Driving a car into a crowd of women and families? What sort of 'fighting skills' should she have used against a ton of metal? MMA?

So far, the number of deaths over there in the past 5 years from right-wing domestic terrorism has exceeded any other sort of political violence.

@gregy741

No they're a bunch of either scrawny methheads or obsese diabetic southerners. Only thing is like any human with emotional or mental issues some fan be unstable.

In a way thats no different though than the Muslims setting off bombs in concerts sawing off peoples heads and also mowing down people with cars. The Muslims are just more prolific bc of their numbers. The radical imams actually have kind of similar rhetoric as the neo nazi leaders I.e. fighting for a white/Muslim world, scapegoating the jew/infidel etc. Similar craziness just different flavors.

In America? The amount of right-wing domestic terrorism over the past 5 years far exceeds any other there.

Losers fetishising losers, like the Nazis who lost and the Confederates who lost. And they're losing too.

@jon357

The murders the alt right caused vs mussies aren't in the same ballpark lol dude what are you talking about.

Why weren't you this upset when Muslims murder people? They caused far more harm than some meth head playing Nazi dressup

Try 3k in just one attack on NYC alone. Religionofpeace.com has a very comprehensive worldwide list.

The stats for domestic terrorism in America, show clearly and indisputably that the vast majority is by right-wing whites.

Here's another, a story just breaking here:


kfor.com/2017/08/14/man-arrested-by-fbi-agents-after-allegedly-planning-to-bomb-building-in-downtown-oklahoma-city/amp/

My apologies its .thereligionofpeace.com

There you go again. empty and false rhetoric, trying to relativise the very clear fact - that neo-nazis organised a 'summer of hate' (their words), marched through a town with flaming torches,losers flags (one, the swastika, a symbol of mass murder, the other a symbol of slavery) with the sole intention of intimidating and terrorising the townsfolk. Even going so far as to murder a young woman and seriously injure more people by driving a dodge into a peaceful crowd.

Irrelevant. The swastika waving neo-nazis in Charlottesville were most definitely not part of that or any other religion of peace.

@jon357

Total of right wing murders vs total Muslim murders in us doesn't even compare. Again, NYC is 3k dead alone at the hands of Muslims in just one incident. Most that any neo nazi killed in one incident was Timothy McVeigh and his count was a fraction of 9 11.

@jon357

Did you not get the part where I said idc what some basement dwelling jobless loser do regardless of whether they're antifa or far right or w.e? I clearly said I don't support the alt right and I called these people idiots. However that doesn't excuse the antifa either. No maybe they haven't killed anyone yet but they're just as violent and provocative as we've seen time and time again esp when trump had rallies and speeches. This time the alt right came out worse bc they killed someone. It doesn't excuse all of antifas crimes or muslim terrorists for that matter. It appears that you're only upset when a white guy does something bad. If your going to condemn violence and murder do it unequivocally. Also the only reason why I brought radical Islam into this is bc I stated the vitriol the radical imams preach is similar actually to that of the neo Nazis. Its based on supremacy terror conquest divide and conquer violence etc. Same craziness different flavors

I'm done talking about antifa and alt righr. They're both idiots in my book. They need a j-o-b. Too much free time imo

Fortunately the law exists to keep public order. Whether they're jobless or fratboys, the Mayor and the Governor at least made the right call about them.


The miscreants were after all white and male. And waving losers' flags.


Didn't organise a 'summer of hate'. Or swastikas. If

This time yes they were. Lets see though if you'll condemn violence the next time a European is murdered by a radical Muslim.

And yes the governor did make the right call to bring in troops. Personally I think police should have broke it up sooner and tried to keep the two sides apart as much as possible but they were told to stand down.

Done talking about these losers and idiots both alt right and anti ha ha ha as we call them in poland lol

Holy crap speaking of terrorism another attack in France.. Car ramming...

According to bbc the Paris prosecutor says its a terrorist attack.

of course he will not,,,he will defend them as he always has been.


no,he didnt make right decision.hes


no..police job was to protect LEGAL gathering ,and protect their constitutional right. all they should do is to disperse ILLEGAL BLM and Antifa mob and nobody would get hurt...blood is on hands of 2 black racist black panther sympathisers,deputy mayor,and police chief, who were responsible for policing this event.

dont let those fker implant white guild in you..he found one nazi flag in the crowd and use it to justify violent attack by BLM and deprivation of constitutional right of citizens.

@gregy741

Yea but once fighting broke out the cops shouldve intervened. People who brought armor and weapons came there to fight. A person wouldn't being a shield bats and stuff like that if they weren't planning on a melee and the way i see it both sides did this. Actually antifa and blm had permits so their assembly wasn't technically illegal till the governor made it so with his announcement. He didn't want more injuries which is understandable. Its about damage control at that point. Still I think he was biased towards one side but oh well such is the human experience. Everyone's predisposed towards one thing over another. Its unfortunate though that bystanders were injured and one killed. What bugs me though is that antifa targeted conservative outlets who were merely reporting on the story. Idc about some idiot who wore armor and got his head bashed in and is now sitting in a cell. He came there to fight and a fight he got. What bugs me is that reporters and other innocent people were mixed up into this. Nonetheless its common knowledge these type of events turn violent bc the alt right and antifa antagonize each other. Usually it ends in injuries and arrests but unfortunately this time it ended in a death.

Also I am the last person to have a shred of bogus white guilt. I don't buy into that b.s. im proud of my heritage and religion and if someone doesn't like it idc. Too bad for them. There's millions of poles and other slavs too who feel the way I do and that's good enough for me.

Also regardless of a flags perceived ideology or what a person think its stands for its free speech that's the law of the land. Yea a Nazi flag evokes a lot of emotions and bad pr but that doesn't mean a person should use violence against someone just for holding a certain flag. That persons right to hold a Nazi lgbt ussr whatever flag is protected free speech. I don't like flags of Stalin being waved around but I'm not going to go assault a person over it bc that's their right of free speech.

Either way the people who get into fist fights (if you could call flailing your arms like a teenage girl that) the way antifa and the alt right guys did is just stupid.

I rly don't want to talk about this incident anymore. Both the antifa and alt righr guys wearing armor and flailing their arms like women are idiotic beta males and people like that are why Americans are thought of as idiots worldwide.

Well Jon here's your chance will you denounce the violence of radical islamists the same way you denounced the violence of the alt right ? Don't you think its high time Europeans stand up to radical islam?

google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/838767/Paris-attack-France-soldiers-terror-car/amp

Yet more Europeans killed and injured by radical Muslims that europeans took into their 1st world democracy to help them out... And this is the thanks that the 'infidels' get

And in another part of the world 18 more dead thanks to radical islam.

thelocal.fr/20170814/at-least-one-french-national-reported-dead-in-burkina-faso-attack

But nope some unemployed methheads playing Nazi dress up day are the big issue

Goodnight guys its time to hit the hay.

Jon I did research your claim of far right terror attacks in the us. Its appears your right they are up. One of the reasons why is because attacks carried out by black nationalists is increasing. According to this stat its not just whites who are perpetrating far right nationalist type terror. Also it appear from the interview far left terrorism is on an uptick as well. This is why its foolish to paint only one specific race or nationality as evil, violent etc. Terrorism has all different forms Islamic right wing nationalist left wing communist etc

google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/bb/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year

Rather like the terror attack in Charlottesville.


They are by far the bulk of them. And they have easy access to guns. When any group in society does this, it is sick. When that group is the traditionally privileged majority, when it is the presidents most vocal supporters, it is beyond alarming.

And none of the relativising, none of the lame excuses, none of the attempts to change the subject to issues in other countries, none of that can change the facts; that something very sick indeed is going on there.

The behaviour of Trump's most voal supporters is so extreme that the backlash should and will be spectacular.

Really? How's that differ from what you're supporting? A Totalitarian state , censorship, brainwashing and murder of innocents as well. I honestly don't see the difference.

By pushing radical commie ideology on people and branding the white people and euroapen civilization as guilty of all the evil in the world. Three is going to be a reaction, sure some odd people and racist will come out but majority of the people are just reacting to removal of the Robert E. Lee statute - what a commie thing to do. What for? Why? The same with the commie idea of calling everyone who disagree with their agenda fascist. So some people just say - if you say so then I guess /I'm a fascists FY.

I'm saying that is rally won't have much of a popular support if not for ideological rabbit fanatics in the offices removing confederate battle flags and status of historical figures.

Plus, there is a good chance those people, their outrage is being channelled by provocateurs of all kind. Plus it is evident that elected official like mayor or governments have been acting to incite a violence between the rally and all kind of commie activist thugs by removing the police protection and by allowing all the ANTIFA hate groups to rally at the same time and place as the rally.

Now it is supposed to be far right terror - What a lie what a BS. What a cheek of it, Only lefties ~(fascists and commies) could have came out with it.

What Republicans are doing? Fat sweet nothing - they cave into the commie main stream narrative - high time for the new party that would represent American people and American values.

I have a question for you.
Do you think that a politician organizing a rally with a red flag and symbols of the soviet communist party as well as a likeness of Stalin should be banned from the political scene?

Peace, decency and order in society? A lack of neo-fascists marching through towns with swastikas?


It doesn't have much support. But it still happened and a young woman was murdered by a neo-nazi.


So now you're trying to excuse it. Shame on you.

So, what don't you answer a direct question?
here: Do you think that a politician organizing a rally with a red flag and symbols of the soviet communist party as well as a likeness of Stalin should be banned from the political scene?


I'm trying to describe the reality the best I can.

Because it's a stupid question. The red flag is a symbol of many parties, democratic ones not just communists. Pictures of Stalin? A hammer and sickle? Much the same as a Swastika or a fascist emblem - a symbol of hatred and death.

Irrelevant though, since the thugs in Charlotesville, Virginia were marching with flaming torches and Swastikas.


No, you're trying to relativise the horror of a neo-nazi torchlit parade by vocal Trump supporters in a small American town as oart of their 'summer of hate'.

The fallout from this will carry on for a long time - businesses are already frantically firing staff and trying to disassociate themselves from this - with good reason.

No, it is a valid question and a justified question.


The Nazis Socialist party as well.


Gland we agree, why there is not widespread panic or cry when such symbols are presented in support of a left wing mind stream politician>?


I'm talking about freedom of expression, you cannot tailor debate to your liking and still call it a debate. If there is a freedom or not there is not way around it.

As for the rally it had been in brewing for a long time, removing statuses? People are gonna react to all this commie stuff. Some sinister force are trying to channel this backlash into something that would throw the people off. Like KKK, some Nazis symbols I bet money against pinouts that majority of the people attending that rally had no idea about KKK or Nazism (or care enough one way or the other) they just see that they're being pushed to be second class citizens in their own country that they tradition and history are being vilified and marginalised (removing statuses WTF?).

Also that Spencer fellow that suppose to be so 'bad'. He is a stooge another figure put in there to channel people's feeling into a controllable channel.

Another meaningless statement.


Express what you like, as long as it doesn't intimidate a whole community, involve waving losers' flags and doesn't involve murdering innocent bystanders.


Yes, he is that bad.

Don't try to normalise the hatred and violence that we are seeing from vocal Trump supporters who organised their 'summer of hate'.

If facts are meaningless to you, you're right.


you make no sense.


He is fake, that all I'm saying. Seen that dude, listened to him, looked him in the eye. I'm from the soviet country, I can sense stooges.