Let's debate American Politics

That was AFTER it tanked in obama's first year in office.
Remember the stock market crash of 2008 ?
Hardly worth mentioning now is it. lol


Is there any other way to bring the jobs back to America ?
How can America compete when our tax is currently at 60% which is more than double of what the foreign taxes are.
The correct answer is that they can't.
So Trump wants to lower it to 35% so the jobs stay in the U.S so America can compete.
Now what is your answer to the problem ??????

@TheOther

Hahahah he took over a healthy economy oh man I got tears in my eyes from laughter. His bogus recovery act was a total flop. The only people who profitted were the Chinese e.g. a123 battery. Let's not forget the fate of fisker either.

The market went up immediately after trumps election and has been rallying since. Were hitting record high after recod high.

Yes, I do. Please tell me more about it. Obama took office on January 21st, 2009... :)


Innovation? Building new industries? That's what Americans were always good at. Not coal mining.


Paper value - nothing real behind it. The current bull market is fueled by the outlook of tax cuts for corporations. The moment that doesn't materialize, we will end up in a recession (or even worse) a crash.


Tell me where GWB excelled in economic terms. If it would've been up to the GOP, the USA wouldn't have a car and banking industry right now.

He didn't. His economic policies were almost as bad as Obamas. At least he didn't add as much to the national debt though as Obama did despite GWB being the one who lead the bailout, not Obama.


Again, it was Bush, not Obama who lead the bailout of the banks and auto industry when the market crashed. Bush was the one who lent some 17 bil to Chrysler andGovernment Motors (GM). Ford's actually been doing the best out of the 3 and I don't believe they even took any money.


In case you haven't noticed, wall street is built off of buying and selling. There's always something behind every share and it's been that way ever since shares of future tulip crops were sold in Holland hundreds of years ago. The bull market is being fueled by record profits, increased borrowing despite increased interest rates, increased home values, decreased unemployment, increased consumer spending, and many other factors. Taxes aren't one of those and tax cuts were only brought back into the spotlight just this week. Nonetheless, its just one additional factor that can extend the rally. Taxes need to be cut if corporations and wealthy individuals are to remain in the US. The reason why businesses and people leave en masse or hide their money abroad is because of ridiculous taxation.

The US economy is now growing at the fastest rate in two years.
bbc.com/news/business-41429083

Actually nvm, Ford did take money too bc they felt it would be an unfair advantage for Chrysler and GM to be subsidized, even though Ford didn't need the money as they already made cuts.

In December 2008, the automakers requested $35 billion. Congress first explored whether a planned bankruptcy reorganization without a bailout was a better alternative. It soon realized that would take too long to implement. President Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson then agreed to a $24.9 billion bailout using TARP. (Source: "Statement by Secretary Tim Geithner Before the Senate Banking Committee," U.S. Department of the Treasury, May 20, 2009.)

GM should've been allowed to go under. Its beyond comprehension how a company could be so badly run to where such a giants' stocks were selling for under $1. Even with the billions GM still cut tens of thousands of jobs, which was supposed to be the whole purpose of the bailout - to save jobs immediately.

thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

And that is what Trump is trying to do by lower the corporate taxes that can't compete with foreign taxes.
Bringing those new and old industries back to the United States so they can compete.
And in doing so it will create JOBS that pay personal income taxes which will pay down the National debt.
And yes coal people are very good at what they do and they pay income tax too when they have JOBS.


And in doing so kept how many JOBS that would have been lost without doing it.
JOBS are what pay the taxes and when American industries are forced to pay 60% and foreign companies only pay 30% on the same goods produced why would America's industries stay in America to operate.

Government does not produce revenue to pay taxes, all government does is collet taxes.
The more JOBS there is to collect taxes from the faster the National Debt will be paid down.
And that is what Presidents Trumps goal is to make America Great Again........put people back to work and pay down the National Debt.
If you have a better way I would like to hear it.

Politics in America, and more importantly the European Union can be summed it nicely I believe.

The rise of the far-right in Europe, with people like Marine LaPen and Geert Wilders actually getting votes is a direct result (causative) of the EU's open border policy, social justice, virtue signals, and a general disregard for their own citizens over third-world foreigners who share none of the values the EU was founded on, and in fact have open contempt for liberal values. The culmination of these policies was the United Kingdom voting to leave the European Union, or rather voting in a referendum on sovereignty and the nation-state. To a much lesser extent the election of Donald Trump followed this narrative, only this was a mandate for an ostensible political outsider.

The European Unions response to a clear shift in the political ocean? They decided to double down on stupid. More lecturing, more virtue signalling, and shaming entire swaths of their own electorate (in the US, 'deplorables'). The truth is that the European Union does not believe in sovereignty and in fact they have contempt for the nation-state. Those on the left will continue to lose elections for as long as they pursue this path, and rightly so.

Here is a song that accurately describes the current state of left-wing politics in the United States.
youtube.com/watch?v=cruRyoo2xiE

American weapons laws ahahahahhaha FIFTY DEAD Aahhahahhaha

Johny Reb please tell me on how people that carry guns stop such massacres lolololo

wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/las-vegas-strzelanina-w-jednym-z-hoteli-w-usa/tmy744g

One has to be a proper idiot to not see a correlation between lax weapon laws and the amount of such incidents.

Ah, Las Vegas! Everything is possible in Las Vegas.

@Ziemowit
Let's hand out firearms in Poland so we can have such attractions here too!!!

Example.

An incident in Europe involving a guy armed with a knife killing three...

Johnny Reb: If people had firearms they'd shoot the guy down before he hurts anyone.

American Reality: A guy armed with an easily obtainable firearms kills FIFTY people while all had their own guns and didn't stop him.

Loloololololo

50 dead and 200 wounded loloololololo.

Are you right in the head?

Nothing funny about a massacre. Even if those people were armed, which I didn't see any reports that they were, good luck trying to shoot a guy with a full auto from a covered elevated position in a dark area where youd only see him due to fire coming from the muzzle

Notty is just a troll. He deliberately does that lol-ing and rofl-ing thing when it's completely inappropriate, to try to get a reaction out of people.

Actually, this time he is only lol-ing, but not rofl-ing, Ms. Atch.

@NoToForeigners

You are a sick person. You don't have to give out guns in Poland, no one is asking you to change your laws to suit anyone else, we respect the laws of your country.

It is not an easily obtainable gun. Fully-automatic weapons are only legal in a handful of states, the process for obtaining one requires you to buy a Class 3 Tax stamp, and undergo an extensive investigation by a Federal agency (above and beyond purchasing a regular semi-automatic firearm). Even after paying, it can take up to 1 year to have the permit issued to purchase the firearm. Furthermore, the majority of fully automatic weapons available to the public cost between $20,000-$100,000 depending on the make, because new fully automatic firearms have been restricted since 1986, meaning there is a finite supply.

In the majority of mass shootings, and unjustified homicides by gun in general, the weapons are either stolen or straw purchased(having someone with no criminal record purchase one in their name, for you), meaning that the law was broken in either instance.

@NoToForeigners

Switzerland and czechy have very lax weapons laws yet theres hardly any shootings. Meanwhile Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the us and its the murder capital. 20 shootings over the weekend is considered to be 'on the right track.' Same with mexico - the laws are among the strictest in the world yet people in states like Chihuahua Sinaloa etc drive around w full autos in their trucks despite they can technically face 10-20 years for such an offense.

Its all about how responsibility. I've been around guns mostly hunting rifles shotguns etc yet I would never dream of shooting someone unless my home was invaded and my life was in jeopardy. One of the first things people who are around guns legally are taught is never aim your gun at someone/something you don't want to kill. There's always going to be crazies. The last few Islamic terror attacks didn't even involve guns but rather vans and knives. You can turn just about anything into deadly weapon if you want to. Hell you can even print fully auto ar15s with a 3d printer if you wanted to.

Thank you Ms. Atch as I blow off such people as very insecure immature know it all's.


Even though the shooter shot himself it was the people with guns who stopped the shooter didn't they.


And an even bigger idiot not to know that the weapons laws had nothing to do with this guy having a military grade weapon.
That kind of weapon is not for sale to the public as they are outlawed.
Do you really think lax weapon laws was the problem here ?
Do you think any laws would have made a difference in this case ?
Would it have made any difference if this guy would had driven a truck or let off a bomb in that crowd ?
You claim to be a soldier Snotty which I find very hard to believe with the immature posts that you make.
Now please show some respect.

LOL. Tell me how easy it is to get the ammunition in Switzerland.

I'm waiting.


He got it either from a different state or from a black (illegal) market. Either way LAX WEAPONS LAWS ARE TO BE BLAMED FOR THE AMMOUNT OF FIREARMS IN THE US AND THEREFORE FOR FEEDING THE BLACK MARKET.

Its so easy to get an AK 47 in the US. Go get the AK in Poland.

ANYWAYS!!!!

JUST COUNT THE MASSACRES by FIREARMS IN EUROPE AND COMPARE THOSE WITH THE ONES IN US. Jeeeeeeezzzz... China has 1,5 BILLION people. Go COMPARE the percentage with CHINA!!!!

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Blame it on Trump

I blame it on ppl like you. People who are in for the lax weapon laws even if the evidence is clear and shows that those make firearms deaths, mass shootings and gang wars more probable to occur.

You are (indirectly) responsible for the death of 50 ppl in Vegas Johnny.

Johnny

Last time i heard about 50 ppl dieing to firearms in Poland it was 2nd World War 70+ years ago and those that died were fighting for Freedom and Motherland not just simply attending a concert.

@Ziemowit
I didn't ROFL indeed. Kinda regretting that.

Where from? Who did they steal from? ENLIGHTEN ME!!! I know that it is almost impossible to steal a gun from anyone in Poland simply because NO ONE has a gun.

@NoToForeigners

Almost 100 people in France were killed with a truck. The overarching point is that people will kill people and find a way. Regardless, this is OUR country, Poland is YOUR country, we will run it any god damn way we see fit. Your opinion means less than dog sh*t, because.............you're NOT AMERICAN. I would never presume to lecture Poland on what they should do with their laws, because I am a GUEST. You on the other hand, are not even a guest in America, you're just shouting your hateful rhetoric from the peanut gallery. Hateful rhetoric you would NEVER say in real life, especially not to me.

LOL. I would any day.

PS. I do respect you a little after you said you're a "guest" here though. Some foreigners don't think the same way and try to force us Poles to act as they wish ( ya know... faggot Jon and the "ciapaty" Delph).

Anyways

There's no one in the world i wouldn't say the truth in the eyes (beside my wife).

@NoToForeigners

I absolutely loathe when foreigners opine on US law, which almost everyone of every nation feels they have some legitimate right to do. That is right, a guest, even if I gain citizenship after I get married, I still would never feel comfortable criticizing Polish laws or customs. So do me a favor and reciprocate.

In Switzerland, there's actually a certain law that requires families in the countryside to have a firearm in their home. Ammunition is not an issue either. According to wiki, nearly a quarter of Swiss citizens own guns with that number closer to over 90% in the countryside. Laws listed for buying ammo are on this page as well. Ironically, if you have a passport from more 'Muslim' countries - i.e. Albania, Turkey, Bosnia, Algeria, etc. you will not be allowed to purchase ammo.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland#Buying_Ammunition

In 2016, the defence ministry estimated that 2 million privately owned guns are in circulation, which given a population of 8.3 million corresponds to a gun ownership rate of around 24 guns per 100 residents

Well you should. If you gain citizenship of a country then you need to be able to exercise judgement in regard to matters affecting society at large and you and your family. I would go so far as to say that you have a duty as a responsible citizen to do so.

In US as well as Mexico, most of the guns used for crimes are purchased at gun shows where private party sales technically require the seller to check the buyers ID to make sure they're from the same state and are complying by the rules (i.e. Texas, Wisconsin, etc - the Texas/Wisconsin/etc private party seller is obliged to check the ID of the seller to make sure they're from the same state). However, about half of sellers won't check ID and will just take the cash and off you go with your full auto. Those guns are then resold to gangs and individuals in states that have very strict gun laws like NY, Illinois, California, etc. where there's lots of shootings. However, in the states that have lax gun laws, i.e. Alaska, Wisconsin, Indiana, Texas, etc the amount of shootings/gun deaths in generally lower than places like New York, California, Illinois, etc.

Gun thefts aren't as common but they do occur.


Rather easy to obtain a gun in Poland, legally and illegally. Ex-military and cops are able to keep their guns for life. If you want a license for a gun you can't have a record and have to take certain tests - some of which may include medical/psychological depending (i.e. drug test, making sure you're not crazy, etc.). Bobby pistols are sold openly in malls and can easily be converted into a real gun. Also, if you know where to look in certain targi you can buy old soviet guns. The process is actually pretty similar to the US. Only difference is in Poland you actually have to take a medical/psychological test whereas in the US you don't have to take such a test but if you ever were in a mental institution or have diagnoses of mental instability or drug use its generally enough to bar you from buying a weapon.

A reporter from a rather left leaning outlet wanted to prove how 'easy' it was to buy a firearm. Well, he failed because a very old domestic misdemeanor popped up on his record from when him and his wife got in an argument and the cops were called. That was enough to disqualify him.

Show me. I'm waiting. I know PLENTY of people and i know NO ONE that owns a gun (beside airsoft). I bet i do know more (Polish) people than you ever will.