Let's debate American Politics

@Atch
I can see your point there. I suppose it will depend where we ultimately reside (Ideally Poland). What I mean is, I am 29 years old now, so I really can only see myself as American, and I work for the military.

@Dirk diggler

Great post. We had a sharp upsurge in violent crime in Ukraine because of weapons being brought back by soldiers and volunteer battalion members. In fact a few times when I was getting ammunition for the range, I was offered some ATO ammo at half price, and declined of course. In fact what you're talking about with conversions is quite common, to take a 9x18mm designed for less-lethal rubber rounds (easy to obtain a permit for this type of weapon in Ukraine and Russia) and then convert them to fire lethal 9x18mm Makarov rounds. To some of the more hysterical posts on this thread, I carried a gun (lethal) everyday in Ukraine, and it never seemed to unholster itself and kill anyone, strange.

I think we could dispense with the gun show loophole, and increase scrutiny on backgrounds and mental health, so long as we did away with any form of gun registration, which is the real sticking point for those of us on the right. We do not want the government to have a list of gun owners and an inventory of what weapons each of us have, which is why there are proponents of the gun show loophole.

Assumptions lead to ignorance. For one, I was born in Poland, have dual citizenship, have properties and businesses in Poland, pay taxes in Poland, speak fluent Polish (among other languages), have my entire family in Poland, and it's basically my home away from home. Not to mention the city in the US I live in has more Poles living in it than Krakow.

To my understanding you're a Pole living in Australia, correct? Please don't make ridiculous assumptions about the United States.


I'm not going to list names nor show pictures of guns or gun owners. I can tell you this though, if you know any former or ex police, military, security, etc. you'd know they get to keep their side arm for life. Second, in the countryside, especially the older generations, typically have at least one rifle or shotgun (especially tubeltowki). Third, there are various organizations for hunting, target and skeet, etc in Poland. In fact, to my understanding to keep a certain class of license you have to participate in a certain amount of events for every class of gun you want that license in as there's different types of licenses and reasons people list for ownership - hunting, sport, self defense, concealed carry, etc. and there's different procedures and requirements for each type of license. The official rate of gun ownership is very low in Poland for EU - around 1 in 100 officially. However, go to the countryside and I guarantee you every 3rd or 4th household will have at least one rifle or shotgun. Not to mention the fact that in certain targi you can even buy old soviet aks. Remember the story of the Gdansk owner who called the cops on the two Arab guys who tried to buy an AK off him in the market? Well the police went after the Arabs, curiously no story about the guy selling the AK - was it a legal semi auto? Probably not as those are prohibitely expensive and was most likely a Soviet selective single/auto

YES! Let's.


Don't listen to him, he is some kind of ...... hard to say what. Impostor, kid....troll.
There is a strong movment in Poland to get away with those laws that stop people from buying a gun legally.

Are you Ukranian or from Ukraine? I know a couple people fighting in Ukraine. The volunteer battalions like Azov did a great job halting the Russian advance but its really unfortunate they turned their weapons on their fellow Ukrainians who supported them. Of course not all, probably most didn't do this, but nonetheless there were a few bad apples and that really ruins the name and respect that the volunteer battalions had.


Those type of guns are sold legally in Poland with no permit required. Just the money to buy it. The ones available are usually far smaller caliber than 9's, 40's, etc., usually 22's and 25's are in the display although you can order the large calibers through magazines or through Germany where to my understanding it's a similar situation with no permit required.


If you go to any gun show in states like Wisconsin, Indiana, etc. there's always Mexicans outside who are willing to give you double the price for a gun - especially glocks and automatic ar15s. They won't go in themselves to buy the guns because the private sellers already know where their guns are going to end up. However there are quite a few people who basically make a living buying guns at shows in the loophole states, filing off the serial number, and selling them in places like Chicago, NYC, California etc for a huge markup. In certain neighborhoods in Chicago it's easier for a teenager to buy a gun than a pack of cigs or liquor.

Personally, I don't think it matters whether we do background checks, registration, or anything else. Anywhere in the world you go, even places like Japan where you need a license to buy a BB gun, criminals will always have access to guns. You can't be a real criminal without having a gun it just doesn't work. Plus now with 3D printers you can simply print off a gun with no serial where the lower receiver will basically fall apart on its own after a couple hundred rounds are put through it.

If that is your silly rational for your guilt trip then you are as guilty (indirectly) of the people that get run down by terrorist vehicles.

You run your mouth just like the Brits and Frogs did when America was having mass shootings but once mass murders started happening in their countries they suddenly went quiet about America's.

And you know what kid, it will eventually happen in your Poland no matter how hard you try to stop it.
Weather it be by using a truck, a gun, poison gas, poisoning the water system with slow release poison, a pressure cooker bomb.......what ever the choice of the killer it will eventually happen in Poland, it is just a matter of time so put a sock in it until it does so I can say "I told you so" just like I did with the Brits and French on this forum.

Certain American posters have been lecturing, for years, Poland to have lax guns laws in this forum. No matter how many times they have been told that Poles (and Europeans) are not interested in more guns.

@Dirk diggler

No I am not Ukrainian nor was I born in Ukraine. I have close connections to the country for other reasons, I outlined those in the PM I sent you, and I prefer to keep that information private if thats ok?

I have to agree with all that was said. People who are intent on causing mass death and destruction will always find a means. Their determination is the predictor of their success, and lone wolf attacks like today in Vegas are particularly difficult to stop. We have seen that in Europe where gun ownership is frowned upon, they simply turn a vehicle into a deadly weapon. So far, more people were killed in France with a Laury than have been reported dead in Vegas.

It was a gun shop, they were dealers. I visited their web site.

@SigSauer

ya of course... I wrote back just now


Fact. And the sad thing is one can put a map of west Europe on the wall, throw darts at it and chances are there either has been or will be an Islamic terror attack

@Dirk diggler

Yea, and all the MEP's in the European Parliament are frothing at the mouth the make Poland and Hungary share in their bad decisions and bring that sickness to their countries.

Haven't received yet, not sure if there is a delay.

What happened in Vegas, as stated by Nevada police officials today, was most definitely a "festering" resentment over a very long period of time which eventually boiled over into the unspeakable tragedy we learned about on the news. "Pure evil". as our President put it, is a convenient, mass-media catch phrase which doesn't even begin to address the monumentally more profound issues.

After Charlie Whitman, the "Bell Tower Shooter" back in '66 went on that rampage, picking people off at random from high above the university, also with a high-powered assault weapon, there too, nobody seemed to see it coming.

So why is it then that between roughly '47 right after the War, until '57, only TWO (2) front page examples of similar mayhem occured, that is were reported by the press, some dude in Jersey who shot up a small community of a medium-sized city and ten years later, George Metetzky, the "Mad Bomber" terrorized the NYC subways and parts of Manhattan before being caught?? Since Whitman's deadly rampage, the number of related incidents (including the one that occurred in Vegas) is so high one can barely keep count.

Makes ya stop and think now, doesn't it?

Is Wayne LaPierre really going to continue his lunacy that guns don't kill people, people kill people?

@Lyzko

As much lunacy as saying vans kill people..

You can kill a person with many other tools besides a gun.. The gun doesn't pull its own trigger a person does, a van doesn't run crowds over a person must step on the gas, a knife doesn't stab without a person thrusting it

@Lyzko

The Bell Tower shooter had a large undiagnosed brain tumor and had been having auditory and visual hallucinations months earlier. Not sure where I was going with that one, fun fact maybe. Like Dirk mentioned earlier, a person determined to kill others is going to find a way, I mean unless you want to stop selling pressure cookers to people.

One particularly disgusting crime that has proliferated to untold proportions in London are acid attacks. So we are going to have to take household cleaners off of the shelves and show our ID to be able to buy them. In the USA we already have to present our drivers license to buy allergy medicine with psuedoephedrine in it.

You know that a lot of us view some of these things as a price we are willing to pay to live in a free society. You can certainly eliminate a lot of crime if we dispense with the 4th amendment and allow police to behave like jackboots and walk into peoples houses and charge them with crimes absent any reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Ya know, Due Process and Habeas Corpus are a pain in the ass for the court system, and having trials for people really costs us money, lets put those in the bin too, no more jury trials with your peers.

Does this sound like a place you want to live? It doesn't sound good to me. I believe in being able to own the most efficient means of self defense (the gun is in fact, an equalizer), I think all drugs should be legalized, as the government has no vested interest in what a consenting adult puts into their bodies, we are certainly on the wrong side of history on this issue. You see there is a lot of responsibility with freedom, and in fact many are afraid of the free society. I am a bit taken aback that Poles would be advocating for 'Big Government' after the USSR. Do you really want ANY government of ANY stripe interfering so heavily in your private life and creating this cradle-to-grave society?

Criminals don't follow laws, so why bother having laws.

@TheOther

We punish people for their actions.

What we don't do? We don't collectively punish people for one bad actors actions. We don't (or shouldn't) punish all Muslims when a Muslim commits an act of terror. So why then are you people advocating that we punish the 33% of law abiding American citizens who own guns responsibly every single day, for the actions of one bad actor? Reconcile that for me.

It's called "Liberal Logic".
The Gun Grabbers who don't choose to own a gun think they should be able to choose for those who do want to own a gun.

Stir in a tad of the Libs Political Correctness and how possibly could they be wrong. lol
And sure the hell don't even try to convince them otherwise because Liberals are never wrong.

@johnny reb

Your post was so racist....You're a bigot....and your words are violence, I have PTSD now and need counseling. having to listen to you is almost the equivalent of being a veteran of foreign wars...

Where have I heard those same words before......lol..

@johnny reb

My god, I can't stand you...Please check your white privilege. You DONT have a culture, we are the system of freaking oppression...AHH!!!!!! my head is going to explode, all 63 million Republicans that voted for Trump are card carrying members of The Klan and listen to David Duke podcasts. I can't stand you, I am calling momma Pelosi right now.

I'm so much more virtuous than you are.

A van, a pressure cooker are NOT meant specifically for killing, guns ARE!!

@Lyzko

That is one of their many uses - same with a knife, car, etc. It depends on how the person uses it. Psuedoephedrine is suppose to be used for colds but thanks to methheads now you have to show ID each time you want to buy Sudafed. God forbid your cold lasts a week as there's a 2 pack limit per month.

Americans have displayed that they are able to live with a certain level of gun violence to protect our 2nd amendment right. Unfortunately, some Americans are far less responsible with lax gun laws than other countries are. Most of the people who cause the vast majority of shootings and murders via gun aren't even legally able to possess a gun. Nonetheless, their access to weapons is unfettered. Even if you had a total ban on guns in the US it would barely make a dent. Guns just recently became legal in Chicago and Illinois at large and it didn't have any significant impact on shootings and gun deaths. In fact, the amount of shootings and gun deaths are down from the total ban years of the 80's and especially the 90's.

The funny thing is Hillary said something to effect of 'imagine if the shooter had a silencer' and now calls for banning silencer. Well, anyone who knows anything about guns knows that there's a good chance a silencer would have actually significantly limited the amount of rounds he could put down. If you fire enough bullets at a high enough rate (which an auto assault rifle would be suffice) the silencer will literally melt.

I know I know, the Left is so full of hate.
Where does all their hate come from.
My god man we have the best country of the world, the most blessed country in the world, the most freedoms, the most choices and all they do is whine and cry about everything.

Extremely unhappy people they are and they insist the Right share their misery with them.


Target shooting and collecting doesn't count Lyzko ?
Do you know there are Olympic sports that use guns ?
You have been brainwashed but good Lyzko.

I don't want to restart the whole gun control discussion that we had here before, so I'll keep it short. I for one believe that the old dodge "Guns don't kill people. People kill people" is nonsense. What are you saying? That we have to consider mass killings like Las Vegas, Sandy Hook and all the others as "normal" because 33% of American citizens are too paranoid to live without a gun? Do you think that losing approx. 15,000 Americans to gun violence every year is "normal" and worth the price to pay for the Second Amendment which never talked about semi-automatic weapons, silencers and other sh*it that is out there in the first place?

Yes since most of them lost are gang bangers and bad people.
Some of those 15,000 are in self defense also.

@TheOther

The FBI estimates guns are used 1-1.5 million times per year in self-defense, that saves a law abiding citizens life. In the vast majority of those contacts, the gun is never displayed, its mere presence acts as a deterrent. No one is too paranoid to live without a gun, and I certainly think that adage you referred to is nonsense also. However, there is one which is NOT nonsense, and that is, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Your side advocates that I, a law abiding citizen, be deprived of the ability to defend myself against criminals, and INSTEAD I leave it up to the criminal who robs me, whether I live or die. No thank you, I may or may not die trying to defend my life, but I would rather that than allow a gangbanger to decide my fate, and live by his 'good graces.'

You know the rank hypocrisy here is someone like Hillary Clinton beating the drums to ban firearms, and then showing up to a rally with an armed security detail. Quite obviously not everyone can have an armed security detail present with them at all times because it is cost prohibitive. So, they are our masters? They lord over us? Do as I say, and not as I do? Right, take that 'enlightened class' nonsense and put it in the bin.

As the saying goes, 'I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6'


Screw the armchair commie and limousine liberal politicians. They're among the most dishonest, hypocritical people in the world. They'll never give up their armed security detail and till they do they can't say sh!t about telling others not to have the right to defend themselves.

@Johnny, man is also the only creatures who KILLS purely for sport.

@Lyzko, that is not a true statement at all.
Do you ever research anything before you claim to be an authority on it ?
Take a house cat, they kill just for sport.

@Lyzko

Not true. Cats do too. Same with dogs and I'm sure theres other examples.

Doctors kill people through their ignorance and incompetence.
Maybe we should outlaw doctors along with guns.