European News Thread

Poland sucks on the tits of the EU like no other country....with no end in sight!

polska.pl/economy/investments-projects/eu-funds-poland

PS: I knew it would come to that....refugee centres outside of the EU...it has just begun:


voanews.com/a/unhcr-set-to-open-new-refugee-transit-center-in-tripoli/4471975.html

The EU plans her own transit centres too...soon the chaotic storm of immigrants into Europe will come to an end. There are already only a few

ships left to pluck them out of the water.

Not really, Germany sucks on the tits of Russia for their energy, sucks on the tits of America for their military protection, sucks on the tits of the "No Go Zones" and sucks on the tits of the E.U. to survive.

Poland has told Queen Merkel to pound it in fact.
Speaking of which, does anyone know where Merkel is hiding ?
Is she trying to show those who say "Merkel must go !"..... what Germany is like when "Merkel must go" becomes "Merkel is gone ?"
Her husband has been seen on vacation without her so some are suggesting possible marital problems.

You know the difference between sucking and paying? :)


Her mom (over 90!!!) is sick...she is caring for her.

Well BB. that is the main reason I think you're a dick. If you ever wondered. You, Talking absolute S''te!. I don't know why Torg is so found on you, I simply don't understand it.


Germany is a fourth economy in the world. 50% of which is build on exporting stuff. If they wouldn't be able to export their economy would cave in causing huge problems. Germany need Poland and other markets in the EU to simply stay OK. Hence everything in EU is geared to keep they exports flowing. I bet they would put some more money into Poland just to keep it market if pressed.

The downside to this situation is Poland cannot easily built up it production and research. Being a market for German goods is a colonial dependency.

So Germany doesn't pay for it near enough - hear me BB?

Where am I wrong?


That may be so. I'm not complaining about the fact. But that steady money flow shows that Poland is hardly "her own boss", as JR claimed.

Alone the membership in the EU is more or less the counter argument of being ones "own boss". So many rules to and treaties to adhere too...soooo MANY! :)

What J.R. claimed was:


Why do you Germs insist on lording over Poland with money.
Poland may not be as rich monetarily as Germany but Poland has the balls to stand up and DEMAND that NO, you will not force immigrants on us, No, you will not force us to accept gay marriage, No you will not take our zloty away from us.

That is what I meant by Poland being their own boss and you come back and try to use money to belittle Poland again.
Nobody is mentioning the German cash flow when the U.K does the Brexit did they.

We might not only use different meanings about "sucking" but also about "lording".

Nothing what happens happens against the outspoken will of the polish people and the polish government...no Wehrmacht is occupying Poland!
Nobody will force them to accept the Euro or gay marriage...that is very cheap "resistance" against a non-existent "force".

Also "facing up" seems to mean something different to you. Not talking the easy talk and at the same time holding out the hand like no other and profiting from the membership in the same union they are mouthing off to.

If that behaviour is earning your respect, then that may be so...but then we have different opinions about respect too!

Not really...as the UK was a net payer of the EU...they are now saving up on the cash flow going to Poland and the other Visegrad countries.

Cash Germany and the other few net payers have to pitch in for now.

(But saving the money they usually spend on poorer EU members was surely an argument in the Brexit discussion. Brexiters neither wanted the polish worker in the UK nor did they want to support Poland financially anylonger)

Good for Brexiters. Why should Poland be supported by anyone? Is Poland now on EU welfare?

It's more about leveling the living standards in the Union...helping new, poorer members to rise up to the same level as the older members. For political and economical reasons.

I wouldn't call it welfare but rather "investments".

Poles may feel good about your positive attitude, so I am not going to give you any grief over your position. The only comment and a question is what's your payback. Normally, "investments" have to provide a positive return or they are simply bad investments or welfare if the prospect of making a profit is zero. If it's welfare, the welfare recipient must eventually be on his own. So the question is: how long can Germany and other EU member pump money into the poorer ones.

The long term profit for the EU would be to change Poland from a backward net recipient of EU funds, whose main export are laborers in search of work, to a prospering net payer with a strong market which in turn invests now in the EU.

An economically strong and politically stable Poland would also make the EU stronger. A win-win situation!

Maybe abit comparable to the Marshall plan for western Europe after WWII....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

I hope you are right. Typically, one-way cash flow is addictive to the guys downstream and they will resist to stop it.

Poles are a proud people...as you could see on Iron's reaction to me mentioning facts...they would much rather be net payer than keeping the doubtful medal as the EU's biggest beggar...

You can also already see the economical changes inside Poland since it became an EU member...it's a "rising tiger" now...

(Without the EU funds it would most probably resemble rather Ukraine today)

By inferring that Poland somehow enjoys unearned benefits when in fact is inadequately compensated for opening its market without reservation to one of the largest economies in the world. Which has an adverse effect onto the Polish economy and it chances of its further development and growth.

In that context the amount of money Poland receives is simply insulting, given the fact that those funds have also conditions attached that renders them not that favorable and beneficial as the EU propaganda claims.

All that whining about how much Germany pays into the EU is just annoying. The EU and Euro is geared to suit needs of the German economy (I'm not judging, just stating the obvious). Germany needs The EU and its market which it dominates. If Germany would have been suddenly cut off from those markets there would be a very serious setback to the German economy that most likely would translate into a civil unrest if millions of people leaving on welfare would be suddenly cut off from it plus you need to add into it another few millions that would lose their jobs.

As it is even a one country with about 40 million people counts a lot in that equation.

By the way, Brexiteers are right saying that EU stance is just a bluff. Germany and other countries in Europe need British market badly, May is just sabotaging Brexit.


Well, is not as if Poland is dependent on those founds. Poland would survive without those token money just fine. So, I disagree with your statement, Once you say that money is a poor compensation for an open market and two take it away but expect tariffs and other barriers to your export in return - there goes your leverage in a puff off smoke - it was just an illusion.

German inference into internal Polish affair is not an illusion and it is absolutely unacceptable.

By the way German gov has a problem with PiS, a centrist left leaning pro-EU party - they are softies. There is nothing better for Germany in Poland than them, other parties that are more 'open' to German persuasions are either post-commies or a pure scum /mafia connection and such.

I wonder what would German gov say IF a really hard Polish gov emerged with a goal to leave the EU.

I mean public acceptance to the Polish membership in the EU would be quickly eroded. IF pro-EU gov get so much smack and bother, what would anti-EU gov in Poland exposed to. In fact such a gov would be set on provoking the EU harsh response to get the public firmly behind them.

Here I have thought that the most of German politicians are pragmatic. What have I been thinking lol.

How is May sabotaging Brexit ? All the people that promoted it have fun a mile from it leaving her holding the baby. She put strong Brexit supporters into the Brexit ministry, foreign ministry and trade ministry and in two years none of these pathetic weak morons came up with a plan or did any work.

As for the EU being damaging for the Polish economy could you point to one economic statistic that has got worse since 2004 ? You don't live here so you have zero idea of the positive changes to the economy

That is because they are not the ones in control of Europe, the Americans are.
Two America's Billionaires are battling each other for Political Control right now over Europe.
One of them is the long established George Soros and the other now being set up by Steve Bannon, Donald Trump's former campaign manager.

Soros has long led America's liberal billionaires in controlling Europe, and Bannon is now organizing a team of America's conservative billionaires to wrest that control from the liberal ones.

Whereas Soros claims to represent the public's interests, Bannon claims to represent the population's interests.
Stay tuned.

Then Poland shouldn't have become EU member in the first place. Then you could had keep selling your berries to Poles only. For export across Europe you would still have to pay the tariffs. As Poland opened it's market so did all other EU member open their markets to Poland.

Ask your traders what made them rich and how many Poles gained because of that!

And I didn't remember Poland complaining about the other perk of the membership, that their people suddenly could cross the continent in search for work and better lives, as they did...in droves. Alone the back checks to support the families at home accounted for billions for awhile.

No wonder only a handfull of Poles (nearly always from outside Poland) thinks that would be better for Poland, alone...isolated...with all the tariffs but without the support funds...look to Ukraine how that would had gone.

Not even PiS wants Poland to leave...


I believe that! :)

I dont think Sloppy Steve is a billionaire

Anyway back on planet earth, it is the Brexiteers responsibility to generate a credible plan - whether or not Bannon putin or the illuminati are controlling them, they still havent done that.

The Brexit was sold as a sham...and people fell for the lies.

For example the Brexiters used to drive with a huge red bus through the UK with the slogan about the billions the Brits send to Brussels instead supporting their own healthcare system with.

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-voters-poll-mislead-leave-campaign-nhs-claims-lies-remain-win-second-referendum-a7905786.html

Only a few days after the referendum they had to admit that this was a broad lie. That no money would be saved for the NHS now...

And that was only the start. The people following the EU hater are in for a nasty surprise.

Farage once hoped that the Brexit would be the start of a domino fall...that others would follow UKs example.....and the end of the EU. Well..now it can be said that people watched...and learned...and the mood has never been more pro-EU than now. And even those who played with the thought of their country to leave too, they look at Britain now and think twice...or thrice...

It's not a successful topic to gain votes anymore!

Seriously Iron...how much leverage would Poland have alone...against the biggies in Europe. Do you really think you got a bad deal with the EU? Where Poland has exactly the same rights and duties as said "biggies"...the same vote, the same say? An equal member as everybody else?

Do you really, really, really believe all alone on herself Poland would look better against...say....Germany?

And without any support too btw.....

Be honest!


Yeah...tell me more about how Poland has fared before her membership in the EU...

I would take my chances. Better to be an independent somewhat poorer farmer than a butler with a nice shiny uniform.

You know...it's these kind of "arguments" which kill every serious discussion. That's your own private subjective, from the reality far removed, opinion. Not even shared by the common Pole (in Poland!).

You believe that and there is no fact which would or could convince you otherwise...

I better leave it here...

No but his Cronies that are backing him are.
These are the guys controlling the E.U. so don't kid yourself as embarrassing as it is.

In Poland or not. I never claimed that it is a sentiment shared by all. You have asked ME about my honest opinion and you got it.

I have been always of the opinion that it would be better for Poland to leave the EU(or not to join it in the first place). I have been consistent in my view on it. I have never ever thought the EU will be a good thing for Poland to join. I came to that conclusion studding and researching the issue up close at the source for some time to see what it this EU all about. There is not much for Poland in the EU as it is.

How do "they" control the EU?

How do they do it?

Poland economy has been improving steadily from 1989. Due to the work and effort of the hard working Polish citizens. Little to do with some or other international organization that is run by big corporations for big corporation with Brussels pawns left to play with their regressive left agenda.


She doesn't support and has never supported that motion to leave the EU. So in the first place her heart is not into it. Secondly she want to secure some kind of a deal and is not ready to walk from negotiations with no deal. Which is not a good perquisite of any negotiations. The EU want either or two things at once:

1. Show to others EU countries that there is a big price to pay for leaving the EU.

2. Secure a good deal for their exports (Germany) squeeze Britain for all the cash they can.
Those are contradictory aims. Britain is in a better negotiation position that is clear. Fact that May is unable or unwilling to exploit it - say all.

It is enough to say to the EU - you will get no money, you can kiss good bye all the trade deals - and watch as they cave in!

Germany appears to be profiting from the Brexit, don't you agree? This according to the London Times, at any rate.

Wrong - in 1989 Poland had similar GDP per head to Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Russia. Maybe you would like to compare how they look now - much of the increase in the 90s was due to optimism and inward investment generated by the prospect of EU membership. Were you present in Poland at that time? Were you trying to run a business?

Once again please supply one economic indicator that has got worse since 2004. Because if you look at any standard of living measure or economic measure they have all shown vast improvements.

If the EU is bluffing with UK then it's doing a good job - there are only a few months of negotiation left and so far the EU ihas not blinked once.

Britain is not in a strong negotiating position, it is in a terrible position because 45% of his exports are to the EU . For the EU is exports then only 10% out of the UK. The single market is more important to the other 27 then preserving a small export market.

Yes she back remain in the referendum - that is because she is generally an intelligent and educated person, albeit someone with awful judgement and a poor politician.

However she left the negotiations to the most dedicated Brexiteers in her team and they made a total pig ear of it - they were unprepared, ignorant of the potential problems, and too old and lazy to put in the required effort to make Brexit a success. The result is that after two years these pygmies have achieved zilch.

Could you name one positive effect of Brexit on the UK?