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After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU



widobson
9 Aug 2018  #1

What will be Great Britain's farewell to the EU: a hard or a soft one? The fate of the UK deal on exiting the EU has not been sealed yet. One particularly significant issue relating to Brexit is the Irish border, or it would be better to say 'the preservation of peace in Northern Ireland'.

indybay.org/newsitems/2018/08/09/18816818.php

Rich Mazur
9 Aug 2018  #2

My knowledge of the subject is limited so my brief comment is: pray for the hard one if this means stopping future migrants and deporting the illegals already in. Any loss of income from a reduced trade with EU will be offset by a drop in the welfare payouts, medical services, schooling, and incarceration of the scum that should have never been allowed into the brave white UK we got to love.

Atch
9 Aug 2018  #3

The Common Travel Area has been in operating since the 1920s and it will remain after Brexit. That's already been written into the terms of the UK's exit agreed by the European Parliament. It was one of the first issues that had to be agreed by the other nations before any talks could proceed. The issue of Customs and trade is a separate matter though

For anybody who's interested in the topic, the only place where you'll see completely accurarte and up to date information is in the Irish media. It's covered in depth here on an almost daily basis:

rte.ie/news/brexit/

Northern Ireland is most unlikely to obtain any special status but Ireland as a whole will have to operate differently to the rest of the EU, whatever the final Brexit deal is in the broader European sense.

In relation to how any of this affects Poland, final terms for Brexit and the knock on effect of trade between the UK and Poland, can only be agreed after the Irish question is settled. Apparently the Polish deputy foreign minister is completely bewildered as to why this is so important and incredulous that it should stall the overall Brexit deal. According to an EU source, during a recent meeting of the EU General Affairs Council Polish, deputy Foreign Minister Konrad SzymaƄski allegedly asked: "Let's be serious. Are we going to destroy the agreement with the United Kingdom because of Ireland?"

This has in fact been the Polish attitude all along:

independent.ie/business/brexit/polish-pm-fails-to-back-our-special-status-on-brexit-35439055.html

"The Irish border is not important" - but it is.

Crow
9 Aug 2018  #4

One day we would have this thread here > After Polexit, Silesia may obtain a special status in the EU. That`s how would mask fall down and start open grabbing. Beware Poles, western Europeans are sinister.

cms neuf
9 Aug 2018  #5

This is one of the many problems with the Brexir deal Atch - the Irish border is not important to Poles but i doubt the Irish govt cares much about the rights of Polish residents in the UK. Almost all of the 27 have some specific issue with the UK and some will be really awkward to solve like Cyprus and Gibraltar.

Rich - you as usual no nothing about this subject. This will gave little effect on non EU migration - in fact 30 percent of British Asians backed Brexit because they were topd it would be easier to get work visas for their cousins once there were no more Poles and Romanians coming.

Probably nobody will get their benefits stopped as i cant see poland Hungary or lithuania backing a Trade deal Unless these benefits were included.

And the economic effects of Britain are already far higher than the cost of any benefits to EU immigrants- it's costing your average white British family close to $1000 a year at the moment. The pound is having a terrible decline this week - that will continue and get worse as the exit date gets closer

Dirk diggler
9 Aug 2018  #6

No one in Poland cares about the Irish border. As long as trade continues with Poland and our polonia in UK is fine and receives benefits, poles really don't care.

The Irish border is not important" - but it is.

Maybe to UK and Ireland, but not Poland.

Probably nobody will get their benefits stopped as i cant see poland Hungary or lithuania backing a Trade deal Unless these benefits were included.

I want to take this opportunity to thank the UK for providing benefits to tens of thousands of poles. It is nice to have my fellow poles cash income, often from construction jobs, supplemented with benefits and a decent retirement for many who have returned. Thanks to you, even my cousin is able to go to school in UK and not have to worry plus I and other family members now don't need to send him money. Keep it up and just maybe poles will forgive the UK for its betrayal during ww2.

brave white UK we got to love

Oh rich, if I still worked at a former job I would've taken you to our financial hq in London. The 'brave white uk' is becoming a relic. By the time im your age, the white native englishmen will be a dusty museum piece. If only you could see how parts of east London like tower hamlets looks like... the only white areas are places like Kensington and even then the muzzies wander in to steal from the stores, pickpocket and gypsies to beg for change. You wouldn't believe how many homeless sleep in front of boutiques selling several thousand pound suits. I've never been to Birmingham but what I've seen from videos it's just as bad if not worse. That's one of the reasons why my cousin chose to study in a place where there isn't such a huge congregation of them. But even up north there's hordes of young men aimlessly loitering, no job to go to, nothing to do but smoke hookah, drink tea and accost white Europeans who dare to wander into their no go areas... some even have signs warning people that they're entering a 'sharia zone' and 'no whites after 8pm'

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

Atch
9 Aug 2018  #7

Almost all of the 27 have some specific issue with the UK

Yes but with the Irish border it's quite literally a potential matter of life and death. There can be no return to a hard border in our country. That is an inherent part of keeping the peace and is written into a binding treaty between the UK and Ireland.

Until the border issue is resolved a UK deal regarding trade with the rest of the EU can't be agreed.

Dirk diggler
9 Aug 2018  #8

Until the border issue is resolved a UK deal regarding trade with the rest of the EU can't be agreed.

I highly doubt the eu cares much about the border. That's the least of their concerns with brexit. They only want to enforce as many of their eu diktats as possible and keep sending unwanted turd worlders/merkels burden.

mafketis
9 Aug 2018  #9

There can be no return to a hard border in our country

Well it shouldn't be an issue (anymore than the open border between Sweden (EU) and Norway (not EU) unless Ireland decides to do something dumb and join Schengen (but again that would be the case if Brexit had never happened, Ireland can have an open border with the UK or the EU/Schengen but not both.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Aug 2018  #10

pray for the hard one if this means stopping future migrants and deporting the illegals already in

I doubt that very much. For the same reason the UK always was flooded with foreigners...their past as an empire.

The Brexiters especially belong to those kind of people dreaming of the good 'ol times as Britain still "ruled the waves". One of their arguments why Britain doesn't need Europe and the EU was about their close ties with the Commonwealth. Great Britain took in people around the globe for decades because of these ties.

After a hard Brexit they will especially need the bestest contacts with these countries and their sympathy, and that means letting people in if they want to. It wouldn't go over well with...say....India or Pakistan if Britain wants a good trade deal and free access to their markets but not their people!

Tacitus
9 Aug 2018  #11

The British nostalgia for their Empire clouds their strategic judgement to an extraordinary degree.

Does anyone outside of the UK truly believe that e.g. India will treat the UK as an equal in 30 years, or aa the Brexiteers fondly imagine, as a privileged partnee?

Bratwurst Boy
9 Aug 2018  #12

Only one thing can be said will happen for sure...Europeans will leave in droves and only a few will still chose Britain.

But for people from the rest of the world...YAAAAYYYYY! :)

cms neuf
9 Aug 2018  #13

Dirk - every EU country has a veto on the UK exit deal. So if Ireland vetoes it then it does not matter what Poland thinks.

Dirk diggler
9 Aug 2018  #14

Ireland or anyone else can veto whatever they want. As long as pole can export, make money and habe the uk provide generous benefits for our countrymen to supplement their incomes/retirement, idc and neither do most poles.

Until the border issue is resolved a UK deal regarding trade with the rest of the EU can't be agreed.

Says who? The EU? Because as far as I can tell I don't think the eu doesn't give a rats ass about uks border issue. That's the least of their concerns with brexit. They only care about trade and enforcing diktats and redistributing more of merkels precious witch doctors and mud hut engineers

TheWizard
9 Aug 2018  #15

Seeing the heavy russian influence in key brexit figures, the breaking of electral law and the outright lies told to the people brexit is nothing but a hijacking of Britain. Nireland is going to be the least of their problems in March. Ides of march are coming but they forgot about Shakespeare by now.

Miloslaw
9 Aug 2018  #16

The UK will not get any deal.
The EU are just not interested.
In the short term it will hurt both parties and benefit The USA,China and India.
In the long term,The UK will bounce back but The EU won't.

Dirk diggler
10 Aug 2018  #17

The reasons why people voted leave are because of the problems they believed the eu caused like pushing even more migrants into the country and tens of billions spent to receive basically nothing in return. Leaving UK isn't going to fix these woes. There's still going to be tons of benefits leeches and tons of migrants especially muslims. Instead of worrying about brexit they should first get rid of all the sharia courts, ban the broadcasting of prayers in public, cut off all benefits to able bodied people, end your thought crime police division and most importantly stop being a bunch of invaded cucks!

UK went from conquering the third world and civilizing them, building an empire for centuries to be reduce to just a few small scattered islands that's being conquered by the same third worlders and being forced to accept their culture - and if you protest publically expect the thought crime police to fine or jail you. The same people you ruled over are now ruling over you, in your own land! Take your freaken country back brits! Wtf is wrong with you all? You let hundreds of sharia courts be set up amd royal family members helping fund London's mega mosque. It's pathetic. This is YOUR country so take it back or your children and their descendants will live in a country where they are an oppressed minority in their own land being forced to hear Muslim prayers every morning and police protecting paki rape squads. Get your balls back and make the UK great again!!!

cms neuf
10 Aug 2018  #18

But many Muslims voted for Brexit. Many benefits claimants voted for Brexit.

I will leave Atch to explain the Irish border problem to you.

mafketis
10 Aug 2018  #19

yeah I don't get it, I don't see how brexit would change anything (again, see Sweden and Norway)

Miloslaw
10 Aug 2018  #20

There is a slow revolution starting in The UK.
It is gradually building up and we will take our country back.
The British are extremely tolerant people but they have had enough.
Watch this space......

Atch
10 Aug 2018  #21

Says who? The EU?

Yes. Have you not been following the Brexit thing? One of the first things agreed, even before talks began was the maintenance of the Common Travel Area and the avoidance of a hard border. Barnier visited Ireland and addressed both houses of Parliament giving a guarantee in that respect.

as far as I can tell I don't think the eu doesn't give a rats ass about uks border issue.

Then you don't know much modern European history. It's not a question of the UK's border issue. It's a question of the Irish border issue. Ireland is still a member of the EU and the people of NI will remain EU citizens after Brexit. The EU has always been a big part of the peace process in Northern Ireland and they've pumped a huge amount of money directly into cross-community initiatives. In fact even after Brexit they've guaranteed to continue providing that money regardless of what deal is done with the UK. The Peace Programmes were started by Jacques Delors who was president of the European Commission at the time, in the mid 90s, before the Good Friday Agreement.

mafketis
10 Aug 2018  #22

Ireland is still a member of the EU and the people of NI will remain EU citizens after Brexit.

how so? isn't NI part of the UK?

Sweden (EU) has an uncontrolled border with Norway (non EU) and has had since the 1950s IINM. As long as Ireland doesn't join Schengen I don't see why it's an issue...

Ziemowit
10 Aug 2018  #23

And what about Scotland? They voted against Brexit in Scotland, so they could well remain EU citizens, too.

Anyway, what will the "EU citizenship" for NI look like? Will they get two passports - one of them is going to be the UK passport and and the other an EU one?

Atch
10 Aug 2018  #24

Everybody born in Northern Ireland can choose their citizenship, either British, Irish or both. Well over half the population of NI will still be classified as EU citizens after Brexit.

uncontrolled border with Norway (non EU)

There are customs controls on the Norway/Sweden border, around forty of them. NI has nearly 300!!

For further reading, we have a lovely Brexit border blog :))
brexitborder.com/sweden-norway-border-no-model-ireland/

@Ziemowit, Scotland is not the same thing at all because they are British citizens so they can't choose to be EU citizens if the UK leaves the EU. The people of Northern Ireland can.

NI has nearly 300!!

Sorry, I mean 300 crossing points. We don't have any controls on them of course. Gone are the days of having a gun pointed at you by a British soldier. I remember that. Very, very weird feeling. They were up in those crow's nest things on either side with their rifles trained on you and then a couple more on the ground on either side of your car plus an RUC officer who'd talk to you, ask about the purpose of your journey etc.

mafketis
10 Aug 2018  #25

Well over half the population of NI will still be classified as EU citizens after Brexit.

So they'll be EU citizens not living in the EU.....

There are customs controls on the Norway/Sweden border,

And lots of places where there are no controls (one of the reasons Sweden swtiched from left side driving was that sometimes a Swede or Norwegian crossed the border without realizing it and was suddenly driving on the wrong side...

All international airports have customs controls... doesn't have to slow things down.

Atch
10 Aug 2018  #26

So they'll be EU citizens not living in the EU.....

Yes, and I just thought of another weird thing. As EU citizens they're entitled to representation in the European Parliament but as the UK won't be part of the EU................

Re the Norway/Sweden thing, their trade relationship is somewhat different to Ireland/NI so the logistics of the to-ing and fro-ing of goods is more complex in Ireland. For example sheep from NI are slaughtered across the border, then sent back to NI for processing, Loads of stuff goes forward and back up three times. The food industry is a major part of the trade between Ireland and NI and the fact that we're both in the EU simplifys it. Once the UK is outside of the EU it becomes very complex and bureaucratic. The process of making the Bailey's Irish Cream drink alone would become a red tape nightmare.

Well, I'm sure it'll all be sorted out somehow in the end - obviously it'll have to be!

Ziemowit
10 Aug 2018  #27

I'm sure it'll all be sorted out somehow in the end

The best solution would perhaps be an annexation of NI by the Republic of Ireland, I think. That would solve all the problems regarding the EU border in Ireland.

Of course, an alternative solution, that is an annexation of the Republic of Ireland by the UK might be helpful as well.

The third solution could be NI becoming an independent country.

Atch
10 Aug 2018  #28

annexation of the Republic of Ireland by the UK

Back to the good old days :)) You certainly have a wicked sense of humour :)

mafketis
10 Aug 2018  #29

As EU citizens they're entitled to representation in the European Parliament but as the UK won't be part of the EU................

The would be entitled through Irish citizenship so... not a problem.

I think

The process of making the Bailey's Irish Cream drink alone would become a red tape nightmare.

Oh.... no?..... think there's a chance?

I think the Irish border thing will be as difficult (or easy) as people choose to make it. The more difficult the EU makes brexit the more they'll be making other countries nervous...

Atch
10 Aug 2018  #30

The would be entitled through Irish citizenship so... not a problem.

But who will they vote for?? They won't have any MEPs of their own, local candidates. The Rep of Ireland will be getting three extra MEPs as a result of the redistribution of seats following Brexit and we very kindly offered to share them by giving two to the North (presuming the EU agreed) but the Unionists of course refused to consider it. The Unionists will always put the block on anything helpful.

I take it you're not a Bailey's Irish Cream fan - and who could blame you! But it does bring money into the two economies both north and south.


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