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After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU



Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #121

Thing is that most of their income is financed through the EU support funds for developing aka poor regions.

UK is a net payer, not beneficiary. Idc about some little village that got a new gym. What matters is whether the bottom line is black or red.

And what exactly stopped them doing so from inside the EU?

Several reasons, for example having hundreds of rules and regulations that the eu forces upon members like UK which drive up costs and make certain goods and services unprofitable. Without those added costs for all the eu imposed rules and regulations like hundreds for something as simple as a toothbrush or towel, making such items or providing such services would be economically viable.

I read Adam Smith when I was 16 Dirk and I don't recall many passages relevant to the situation three centuries later

Its the same basic supply and demamd/equilibrium. Without tons of rules and regulations, tariffs, taxes, etc products become cheaper both export and import. As price drops, the equilibrium point for supply and demand increases meaning more demand and more supply to meet said demand.

Again please provide examples of where the British consumer will be better off next year, not in 50 years.

It will take a few years, certainly not 50. For one the money that the UK pays into the EU could be spent better on the brits, not propping up Bulgaria Romania Poland etc.

Also things like having sovereignty and independence to rule your own affairs, like with immigratiin policies, and be beholden to a capital outside your country cannot be monetarily quantified.

Britain is being treated like a piggy bank much the same way the US was by China, NATO, UN and tons of other countries and institutions. Now that Trump is in charge that is changing dramatically. Unfortunately you guys don't habe a Trump. Closest people would be farage or Johnson but they don't hold any important posts like in the past.

Man I love the videos of farage berating the liberals at the EU. All the commie globalists like verhofstadt who has to be the ugliest persin I've ever seen, got all mad and were booing him. Farage sent a shout out to the right wing meps from Poland saying they should join UK and form better partnerships. Actually farage has praised Poland and Hungary numerous times at the ep, but met with boos, head shaking, etc from the multikulti globalists

Britain has been trading with modern China for decades, long before the EU. They already have a network in place.

Actually probably closer to 2 3 plus centuries. The British even fought 2 wars to keep pushing drugs onto the Chinese. To.my understanding though they don't have nearly as much trade as other eu nations like Hungary which I believe has the most back and forth trade with China.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #122

Britain has been trading with modern China for decades, long before the EU. They already have a network in place.

Do you mean the East Indian Trading Company...or the Opium War?

But anyhow...here are some facts about the UK-China trade:

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zrxZG_DkywEJ:researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7379/CBP-7379.pdf+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de#6

...In 2017, China was the UK's 6th largest export market and 4th largest source of imports, accounting for 3.6% of UK exports and 7.0% of UK imports...

Which shows that the argument of "the mean EU is hindering us from trading with the rest of the world" just another lie of them Brexiters.

The whole Brexit is build on lies....now tell me how can it ever hope to fulfill it's promises?

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #123

Germany is paying more than GB for longer....and nobody here is calling the EU as a burden but rather the asset

That's because Germany is cucked, plain and simple. Merkel and her fellow commies hate the mere fact that germany is even a sovereign nation. She won't even wave her own country's flag at political events. If it were up to her all eu countries would be dissolved and itd be one big country. She refuses to even set an upper limit on migrants into germany. She has singlehandedly exacerbated the migrant crisis by welcoming tons of third worlders with open arms and caused innumerable misfortunes among the citizens that were already there. She tells every german we can do this then cries that other countries don't follow her multikulti one state vision for europe.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #124

That's because Germany is cucked, plain and simple.

What do you mean with "cucked"?

Is that your new expression for super rich and super successful? The bestest time in it's whole history? Unified, stable, peaceful and still powerful? Yeah...we are so totally "cucked".

Two years back or so Germany had even been voted to the most admired country in the world, heh:)

And you are like a sprung record: "Migrants..muslims...muslim migrants...migrants...migrants...muslims...gah"

Sorry, my fault...it was "most popular country in the world", heh:)

gfk.com/insights/press-release/germany-reclaims-top-nation-brand-ranking-with-usa-dropping-to-sixth-place

cms neuf
20 Aug 2018  #125

What do you mean by a few years? Five? 10? 15?

The one benefit that you have listed does not exist - As I already said the UK government has so far borrowed 26 billion extra To fix the Brexit hole compared to its 12 billion contribution. So I am still waiting for you to suggest even one benefit for the British consumer.

But of course you are now back to your familiar themes - cucks and migrants

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #126

What do you mean with "cucked"?

I've explained this before. Being cucked means accepting a bad situation like say a wife cheating on a man and sweeping it under the rug because the man is too weak to do something about it. In the case of germany it has been cucked with eus far left multikuktism and PC. Merkel implores people not to listen to AFD and even a german politician who was raped by migrants refused to id her attackers because she felt it would cause more tension. True story. Germany is now cucked because it has tons of migrants who are literally raping and pillaging the country but instead of confronting the problem head on,.german leadership.namely Merkel says we can do this, I won't accept.an upper limit, Islam belongs in Germany, etc. Sbe sees the problems that a huge migration of third wodrldses for germany and even admits shedbhandle it differently but ninetheless she keeps taking them in and reduses an upper limkt. Fortunately some Germans are not totally cucked and have voted for AfD, made roadblocks to prevent migrant buses coming in, torched refugee centers, and several mayors have refused to go by merkels relocation plan. So there is some slither of hope although itd take drastic change like Austria is doing.

During an german tv interview a well known polish girl explained how Germans have this neurosis that they must constantly help foreigners even at their own cost because they feel bad for ww2.

, stable, peaceful and still powerful? Yeah...we are so totally "cucked".

Hahahhaha.... stable? No there's tons of political turmoil. Her coalition nearly collapsed because she refused to listen to her far more reasonable interior minister who didn't want more burdens coming into germany. Women living or going to school near migrant centers are told not to wear skirts because the doctors and engineers merkel imported cant xontrol their urges and they may become just one of the thousands od victims. Peaceful? Definitely not.... thousands upon thousands of sexual assaults, tons of stabbings including a Somali stabbing a doctor last week in his office, you cant even go to a Christmas market without worrying about spontaneous cultural enrichment, unlike Poland... oh and the tons of no go zones which Merkel admitted do exist and should he called by their names. Powerful? Economically perhaps. Certainly not militarily. And now you have citizens paying 25 billion to support merkels migrant burdens, more than the entire budget for education. 4 star hotels habe even been appropriated by the government with all staff being fired so that third worlders can be housed in luxury for free.

Unified,

German like the rest of w europe.and eu as a whole is more divided than ever.

I already said the UK government has so far borrowed 26 billion extra To fix the Brexit hole compared to its 12 billion contribution

So 3 years out of eu saves 36 billion. 10 years 120 billion... far more than any borrowing for brexit

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #127

Being cucked means accepting a bad situation

What bad situation...

Compared to what?

No there's tons of political turmoil.

Yes, stable....there is no take over by some autocratic Führer in sight. Germany stays democratic and free and the next big elections are in three years...stable!

Certainly not militarily.

Yeah...and as you can see with the "2 percent discussion", not many Germans are crying about it's military or demand a parade or want to spend more money on it than absolutely necessary...and even that is discussed.

Peaceful? Definitely not

Definitely yes...as the number of crimes is generally decreasing. The biggest problem of the recent years had been burglaries done by eastern european crime gangs...

German like the rest of w europe.and eu as a whole is more divided than ever.

Tell me one time in the german history when Gemany had been better off than now!

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #128

Unified,

German like the rest of w europe.and eu as a whole is more divided than ever.

Migrants..muslims...muslim migrants...migrants...migrants...muslims...gah"

Well it is relevant considering it is discussed literally everyday in Europe and has been nonstop since 2015. Even look at the Google searching of relevant keywords. A huge chunk of the news from Europe is centered around migrants - for example now Italy is pissed at malta and the two are fighting because neither of them wants to take an additional hundred some sub saharans as both had enough of them coming in, a Somali migrant stabbed a german doctor, a Sudanese migrant drove a car into a crowd as has happened numerous times before by migrants, etc so yes talking about migrants is absolutely apt. Plus I know how much people here get upset whenever the facts are brought up how third world migrants are causing terror, rape, economic burden, etc throughout w Europe as they were foolish enough to let them in with germany at the top of the list.

forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2015/09/15/mapping-the-european-migration-crisis-through-google-searches

What bad situation...

Compared to what?

Compared to how germany was just a few years before Merkel invited a bunch of third worlders in - just eben 10 years ago. It was totally different. You never heard of Islamic terror, there were no thousands of sexual assault cases, no Christmas markets attacked, no 25 bil going to house feed and give cash to well over a million third world migrants.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #129

German like the rest of w europe.and eu as a whole is more divided than ever.

Again...Tell me one time in the german history when Gemany had been better off than now!

I'm waiting...

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #130

Tell me one time in the german history when Gemany had been better off than now!

Easy all throughout late 90s, 2000s and the years before 2014 2015 when Merkel imported a bunch of problems, a huge burden that she now wants to push on her neighbors because people realised they aren't the doctors and engineers sue said they were, Germans don't 'want to do this' and feel 'we can't do this' without impacting rheir lives negatively in one aspect or.other.

crimes is generally decreasing. The biggest problem of the recent years had been burglaries done by eastern european crime gangs...

Yeah after an extreme high in 2015 2016 they went down a tad. Oh really burglaries are worse than a Somali migrant stabbing a german doctor to death? Worse than thousands of women sexually assaulted by Muslim men in just one night alone? Worse than the terror attacks?

It is a FACT migrants caused the increase in crime rates

dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484
amp.dw.com/en/german-states-look-to-reintegration-to-reduce-migrant-crime/a-43111505
dailysignal.com/2018/06/18/trump-is-more-right-than-wrong-about-migrant-crime-in-germany/

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #131

Compared to how germany was just a few years before Merkel invited a bunch of third worlders in - just eben 10 years ago.

Heh:)

Yeah...well...Germany was still in the EU...the same as now...unified, peaceful, stable, economically extremely successful...

So, your grief is rather not with the EU but with Merkel?

What is so funny/interesting/annoying/disconcerting about this whole exchange of arguments is that you, an outsider from far away, want's to tell me, a German living in Berlin, how horrible his country and his generally life is, how he suffers under Merkels cruel regime...

You most probly get the most of your info about Germany through Breitbart....but...I LIVE HERE!!!

...oh wait....I'm brainwashed by the Merkel-boot-licking media...right?

PS: I'm not even a Merkel fan boy and didn't vote for her in the last election but still...get your head out of your ass.

cms neuf
20 Aug 2018  #132

No - the 26 billion is just last years Increase in the annual borrowing requirement and on UK bonds that are linked to inflation. We will find out how bad this years will be in October. On top of that there is the 40 billion divorce bill that neither remain nor leave mentioned during the referendum but that Britain is now on the hook for. This will be compounded by lower tax revenues as corporate profits fall and wages have stagnated.

There will be no saving from Brexit - it is already costing the UK more money and it will continue to do so, probably for the next 15 years.

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #133

Not eben the eu. The eu was fine till a bunch of far left globalists like schultz verhofstadt juncker which no poles voted for started forcing other countries to adopt their pc multikulti agenda and punishing them when they won't. They started disrespecting our customs, our traditions and the way our country works. They said 60k fascists marched in Warsaw.... A ******* independence parade... but yeah people who fought in ww2 or who's families died under Nazis and Soviets are fascists just because they express patriotism on our independence day. Then they threatened to fine us 2 billion for mot taking in migrants saying they had the right to dictate our migration policy from a capital thousand kms away.

They kept pushing pushing and pushing for less and less sovereignty and independence for individual nations and promoting their socialist 1 state idea that eventually people started pushing back. First it was brexit, Hungary and Poland. Now it's more countries joining in - Czechy, Slovakia, Italy, Austria even germany afd caused a huge political upset. Now these globalist commies in the eu are forced to make compromises and see that their actions have lead more and more people to the right, including Merkel.

Good for you that you live in Germany. I have family that lives there too and was in Germany just this past summer. So I've seen this dh1t with my own eyes. And its a he'll of a lot different than when I went to the Berlin love parade some 10 12 or so years ago.

@cms neuf

26 plus 40 is 66, so in less than 6 years brexit will pay for itself at 12 bil a year x 6 = 72.

So there's your answer. After about 5 6 years it'll be worth.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #134

So I've seen this dh1t with my own eyes.

What have you seen? Were you raped or mugged or in other way harassed?

And its a he'll of a lot different than when I went to the Berlin love parade some 10 12 or so years ago.

Yes, it has changed...it has even more changed for an "Ossi" like me. Only 30 years back where I lived was East-Berlin...behind the wall...and boy has my 'hood changed...so what?

Should I tell you about the biggest change since 2015 in my neighbourhood? There is this supermarket...for months it was full of leaflets and flyers, desperatedly looking for helping hands...low paid jobs, you know...sorting the regals...cashier and such stuff.

But a one day I came in and the first thing I saw where a group of young men...dark, you know...of the sort you first think "refugees"...muslims probably, from Syria or Afghanistan...

The same moment the desperate fliers vanished and the customers got more or less used to a busy band of very friendly, very helpful, very eager new stuff. I had a few run ins with them where I learned that their German was still raw or non-existent. But what I learned too was that they were eager as young puppies and fell over themselves to help me in any way.

For a German used to native german customer service that was really a thing to get used to, I tell ya. We are just not used to friendly, helpful personal...

So, that was my till now biggest personal experienced change in my near neighbourhood...now what's yours?

Oh wait...there was something else..just recently I waited for a streetlight to become green (yes, I'm a lawful German who wouldn't think of crossing a street at red), and you know what...suddenly there stood a man beside me, abit older...with a bit of a tummy, and boy did he look crazy...he wore such kind of a Kaftan of what's nameed...such a white flowing thing from neck till down to his feet and a little hat...all white...I of course did stare openly at him, as I as a pure German are used to do and what did he do? He just smiled back...can you believe it!!!!

He didn't mug me or threatened me with a knife...nothing...we just stood there together till the light became green. Now if he had walked during red, now then I would have given him an ear full...for sure...

So...that had been my personal experiences with them muslim migrant take over till now...I will keep on reporting!

Tacitus
20 Aug 2018  #135

Yes, Germany is ruined alright. Employment rates are higher than ever, criminal statistics are at an all-time low, but who cares for facts if they do not fit in your ideology... . Terrorism is a de facto nonexisten threat, thanks to the good work of our police force. You are statistically more likely to become a victim of a terrorist attack if you are a foreigner in Germany, than a native German. Sadly there are still people who believe Trump, though if the posters on this forum are any indication, they do so because they want to believe him.

A ******* independence parade... but yeah people who fought in ww2 or who's families died under Nazis and Soviets are fascists

Once again you show yourself (deliberately?) ignorant. There can be no argument about the nature of at least a significant part of those protesters. Slogans like "Pure Poland, White Poland!" are hardly open to interpretation.

globalresearch.ca/sixty-thousand-fascists-march-in-warsaw/5618212

cms neuf
20 Aug 2018  #136

No - I don't know how to explain it to you in any more simple terms. I thought you were doing an MBA.

In 2017 it was 26 billion costs versus 12 billion contribution
In 2018 it will be an unknown number x but probably big versus 12 billion
In 2019 another unknown number y versus 12 billion

As tax receipts fall from a weaker economy then x and y will increase. Britain will be worse off every year

So it will not be 5 years, in fact it will probably be never.

To get an idea of how big an economic problem it is - on the day after the vote then the Bank of England had to release 250 billion of new liquidity - 18x the annual contribution to the EU.

But given the average age of Brexit voters they can leave it to their grandkids to sort out.

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #137

What have you seen? Were you raped or mugged or in other way harassed?

Thankfully I'm a pretty big guy so the migrants which tend to be smaller and lankier don't bug me. What I've personally seen is a huge demographic change. There were always lot of Turks and Kurds in Germany atleadt since the 70s. However these people assimilated very well, speak german and are generally hard working and contribute. Back then just 10 years ago you'd almost never see a ninja woman. Now there are tons. There a also a lot of young able bodied men hanging around the subways and train stations in fairly large groups and to some people yes they were aggressive and I've seen with my own eyes how they treat and talk to women.

Although I have been lucky not to experience any terror attack, stabbing or rape it is FACT that these are regular occurrences in Germany. Again, 10 15 years ago there were very few incidents like this. Now sexual assaults by migrants are a regular thing - over 1k in just one city on 1 day alone.... that never happened before.

Furthermore, my cousins aunt's uncle's etc who have kids in grade school now say that german students are a minority. The class has to go at a slower pace because these students don't speak german that well and many have missed even years of grade school education. Also, a woman cannot go to the local public pool without being harassed, constantly stared at and made very uncomfortable by the migrants. Again, none of this or atleast very few instances of if occurred 10 15 years ago.

German pools never looked like this that's for sure, neither were Xmas markets attacked, nor were there a thousand women assaulted in just 1 day, neor were Somalis stabbing doctors for no reason, nor were there no go zones, nor did the German citizens have to fork over 25 bil to provide for these migrants....

Migrants at the pool

youtu.be/9okK0YXQOwY
And that's why I say the country became cucked. They've experienced a huge negative transformation especially since 2015 and it's not for the better that's for sure. At the very least crime went up due to the migrants as pointed out by even a left leaning german source and university study.

But that's enough about germany... Back to uk.. UK and germany do share many of these same issues though But I fear brexit will be far too little and way too late.

cms neuf
20 Aug 2018  #138

You do realize many Muslims voted for Brexit - 30 percent of them. They were told it would make it easier for their families to get visas.

Tacitus
20 Aug 2018  #139

@Bratwurst Boy

So...that had been my personal experiences with them muslim migrant take over till now...I will keep on reporting!

I have made similar experiences. I have been living in a street with a lot if migrants from the ME (mostly Turkey) and I never had any bad experience with them. I argued a few times with the Turkish coffee shop owner I frequently visit about Erdogan, but always in a civil, friendly manner. Coincidently a local backery finally managed to hire a new trainee from Syria. As the owner of backery told me, they had been looking for months before, but most Germans simply do not want to do this hard work anymore.

@ Dirk

Although I have been lucky not to experience any terror attack, stabbing or rape it is FACT that these are regular occurrences in Germany

None of this is true, As explained before, heavy crimes are decreasing in Germany. Repeating your lies do not make them true.

Migrants at the pool

So what. Do you know how many similar videos are there about young Germans at a pool. Or drunk Germans at Mallorca? This is your problem. You are looking at a few incidents while ignoring how life is usually like.

At the very least crime went up due to the migrants as pointed out by even a left leaning german source and university study.

Which is a natural occurenec and can be explained by the demography of those emigrants (young men). The increase in crime is however irrelevant compared to the population at large.

They've experienced a huge negative transformation especially since 2015

The only western country that has experience a negative transformation since 2015 is the USA. A country in which deadly police violence against black people seems tolerated, and the number of mass shootings ignored. Germany's challenges are tiny compared to this.

Dirk, just a friendly advice. Stop talking about things you clearly have no idea about. You are not going to convince anyone here who has any idea about how things look in Germany. All you do is exposing your bigotry and your very limited world view that seems to be solely fuelled by Breitbart and Co.

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #140

@cms neuf

They will save 12 bil pounds a year by not paying into the eu. So yes, after x years it will cover the costs associated with brexit. You said 2 things which totalled 66 bil, so I stayed 6 years which would b

to the good work of our police force. Y

Is that why only like 3 of the suspects who committed a thousand sexual assaults been charged?? Great police work...

Terrorism is a de facto nonexisten threat

In Poland it is since it actually has ZERO islamic terrorist attacks. Germany cannot say the same. It's only a matter of time before another Somali or Afghan stabs an innocent person or drives a truck into a crowd or detonated a bomb. And if you're a german woman you're TOLD not.to wear skirts near migrant/rapefugee centers. That is fact.

washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/06/after-wave-of-attacks-german-mayor-warns-women-to-keep-strangers-at-arms-length/?noredirect=on

Germany tells migrants go stop touching women at pools
amp.usatoday.com/amp/89904638

i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/76383-150627-fearing-syrian-refugees-german-school-bans-miniskirts

A school located in Pocking, Bavaria sent a letter to parents advising them of new "security measures" after a migrant shelter was opened at the school's nearby gym.

Parents were warned that their children should not wear revealing clothes for fear of "misunderstandings" that could lead to "attacks" by the migrants.


But ya its totally safe... especislly for women...

Oh and let's not forget Jews

bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-43884075

Funny how polish women aren't ever told they can't wear skirts around migrants even though we took in over a million. Neither are Jews told not to wear yarmulkes.

That's because, again, the variable is from WHERE you take in migrants. Europe - no problems with rape, terror, stabbings, economic burden Middle East and Africa - thousands of rapes, regular stabbings and shootings, tens of billions in economic burden....

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #141

I have made similar experiences.

I'm really waiting for my first bad experience with them immigrants.

Maybe that turkish Döner/chicken roaster down the street which didn't want to sell me one half of a Broiler because I was to early and his shop wasn't even open yet? I was miffed for awhile though...I tried different Döners in my vicinity but nobody was as tasty as his ones...dammit...

Does this count?

@Dirk

Dirk, please post some of your experiences with muslim migrants! Not some demographical statistics...some of your very own personal face-to-face stories. That's so much more interesting than some headline...

cms neuf
20 Aug 2018  #142

Oh golly, let's park the Algebra 101 lesson for a while.

Maybe one last time in plain English -

the cost of leaving the EU is twice as high as the contributions, EVERY YEAR.

Tacitus
20 Aug 2018  #143

Is that why only like 3 of the suspects who committed a thousand sexual assaults been charged?? Great police work...

We are talking about the prevention of terrorism, something the police has been very good at. Prosecuting the kind of crimes that happened in Cologne are far more difficult, mostly because there is not much hard evidence.

In Poland it is since it actually has ZERO islamic terrorist attacks. Germany cannot say the same

You'll always have criminals among emigrants. Several Polish people have been involved in high-profile crimes and murder in Germany, but we do not judge hundreds of thousands of people based on the actions of some few.

tens of billions in economic burden....

This "burden" is rather low, compared to to other expences. Most of the money acts as an ecomomic stimulus, because it is spend on hiring more teachers, translators and so on. The money we now have to spend more on defence is the bigger burden.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #144

but one thing is also sure...we need to become better and more effective with the deportations of those immigrants which are hurtful to us, so that these boys in my super market have a better chance of acceptance here.

Right now it's not working!

Then there is the housing catastrophe...more people are fighting now about even fewer apartements.

I tell you this failed long term policies are coming now back to bite Merkel in the ass...

Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #145

we do not judge hundreds of thousands of people based on the actions of some few.

Of course not. But when its one group that keeps repeating the same actions time and time again - thousands of rapes, terrorism, unprovoked stabbings, etc it's worth looking into. Why aren't ukranian emigrants committing problems on the same scale as the migrants in Germany? Poland took roughly the same amount of people in as germany. Yet you don't hear of terrorism and thousands rapes coming from the ukranians migrants coming to Poland, but yet there's tons of terrorism and rapes coming from middle.easterners and africans. And its the same with assimilation. Why is that ukranians, Indians, Chinese, Italians, belarussians, Georgians can all integrate into polish society and not create ghetto no gos where there's tons of poverty, crime and where police have a tough time patrolling? Yet the middle easterners and africans create these no gos and it's the same in UK as France ad germany. In whichever country they settle in there is terrorist attacks, skyrocketing rape, tons of violence, economic burden. Why don't Chinese or vietnamese cause this stuff? Why not ukranians or Italians or greeks? Hell even tueks and kurds although Muslim dont cause these issues. But when you take in a large number third world africans and middle easterners from Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Syria, Afghanistan, etc you can bet your ass there will be terrorism, no go zones, skyrocketing rape, etc that follows.

This "burden" is rather low, compared to to other expences.

25 billion is larger than what germany spends on education. Most of that 25 billion is housing, food, shelter, cash allowance etc. The average migrant receives german taxpayers 1500 euro a month for housing food and cash. That figure doesn't even include medical care. So at 1500 a month x 12 months x at least 1 million migrants that's 18 billion. That's not economic stimulus - that's rewarding laziness and pushing more migrants to come to Europe as the 1500 eu they receive from government is way way more than they'd ever make in Afghanistan or Somalia or Sudan

the cost of leaving the EU is twice as high as the contributions, EVERY YEAR.

Says who? I don't see how not paying 12 billion ever again to the eu is somehow a future deficit especially as no one knows how uk will look like 5 10 years after brexit. If you're implying lost trade opportunity offsets that it's impossible to calculate 5 10 let alone 20 plus years from now.

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #146

Dirk, thing is you are mixing stuff up!

All this is true, but that are long term failures of Merkels government. It didn't invest our economical surplus back in the german infrastructure, housing, digitalization, education, state officials like police were let go, no money had been shucked out for schools or teachers and what not for years...also before 2015. It sat tight on the money, wanting to lessen our state debt, to achieve the "black Zero". That was the official policy...it's consequences are now becoming clear.

But NOTHING of it is the failure of the poor saps streaming in..

cms neuf
20 Aug 2018  #147

Because being in the EU brings benefits for British business

Those businesses then generate higher profits

Which generates higher tax. CIT, PIT and VAT.

Which reduces the govts need to borow money.

Why do you think all businesses, banks and the govt treasury opposed Brexit ?

Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #148

I'm old enough to remember the Sixties (Pre EU) and Britain were doing fine without any "Help" from Germany and France.
The Eighties,when we were in The EU were pretty good too.But no better or worse than The Sixties,in fact,marginally worse.
So what did The EU really do to improve The UK's lot that we couldn't do on our own?
Without being a net contributer?
But this is my bottom line....I'm British (OK,100% Polish blood),in Britain,we are leaving and I'm really cool with that.
This German "Sausage Man" is in Germany.....they are not leaving.
Why is he getting so upset about it?
I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions.....

Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #149

So what did The EU really do to improve The UK's lot that we couldn't do on our own?

Then you must remember Thatcher and her de-industrialization of Britain? The change from a producing goods economy to a service economy? Whose income through financial services is bigger than that of any other? That the financial place of Britain took really up pace as GB became a member of the EU? With it's banking sector now profiting from all the paper work and financial handling between the EU and the world?

Even if the future of that banking sector now kicked out of the EU is self explanatory...many Brexiters also yearn for the times of the Empire...you know...as Britain "ruled the waves". Thing is, even if tomorrow Nigel Farage would declare this Empire to be re-born, I'm totally sure it's former minions have now a different opinion and would politely decline to be ruled by King Mug Face.

The world has changed, and it will change even further. We are now in a time where supra-national trading blocs are being build which in the near future will divide the planet, it's resources and it's customers between them.

Europeans best chance to get a good big piece of the cake, being seen as equal, is the EU....Little Britains best chance will be to beg others for some crumbs!

....but hey...at least Miloslaw is "cool" with that.

As I said, sadly some experiences need to be made to drive the lesson home..

Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #150

Sad,Sad,German sausage man........so upset Britain is leaving your German club......as in the past,time we Brits teach you a few lessons.....you seem to have learnt nothing from your past mistakes.....and your arrogance is unbelievable!

As I said earlier,Brits and Germans are completely different.
Germans are very careful and plan eveything.Very logical,and most of the time it works.
But it is rarely spectacular.
We Brits,despite our pretending not too,go more with our hearts than our brains.....and if it all goes wrong,we work it out and make it work.

In that sense,we lean closer to The Celts and The Slavs....
History wise,Germany has not had many great high points,but some very,very,low points.....don't worry,I'm not going there.....
By contrast,Britain has never had any truly serious low points.....but our high points were in a different galaxy to Germany.....
So why,I ask myself,is a German trying to tell a Brit how we have got it all wrong and he has got it all right?

Arrogance......sheer German arrogance.......most of Europe dislike Germans for that reason.....ask Alsatians in France.....they take your tourist money but hate your arrogance......and this is coming from The French!!!

And it's not Little Britain,it's Great Britain......something you will have to get used to again..... Gutte Nacht Freunde!


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